BvS It's always Darkest before The Dawn... Chris Terrio IS the Script Writer

[Tempest]

I do think that too many writers at times does lead to trouble. Perfect example being Cowboys and Aliens. You had like, what, six writers?

Too many writers, too many big wigs, too many of too many people getting their hands on the project. It leads to disasters, I'm telling you. That's what has my hackles up in protest. It's not the actual writer, since I know nothing about him. I'm just wary of yet another person...and mildly concerned about the perspective they might bring to the film. It could go really well, it could be just ok, or it could make the film a complete disaster.

So....if this film is terrible, who gets the blame? Goyer or Terrio?

 

[Jekecy]

That pretty much sums up my biggest worry with this particular 'verse of Superman. It's not just the writers; it's my biggest concern that the higher ups will suddenly decide that this verse needs to be more 'fun', and that it will go too far.

WB have already established where their DCU is going with MOS; it's decidedly mature. Whatever the tonal shifts may be, I don't think it'll be anywhere near drastic enough where it both clashes with the first film (I'm looking at you ASM2) or anywhere near approaches Marvel. One saving grace of Green Lantern's failure is the assurance DC will not succeed trying to copy Marvel's hits.

Anyway this film could use a bit more "liveliness" in spite of Batman's presence. MOS was too consistently gloomy it missed the mark in capturing any sense of magic and awe people should have.

 

[Jekecy]

Any scene come to mind in particular. Just curious what you are getting at.
For example I immediately thought you were talking about the towel cap scene.
Or the oil rig rescue but there's seemingly plenty of intention in those.
I assume youa re talking about the dialogue scenes?

Most of Cavill's scenes would apply to my complaint. I thought he was really shortchanged. Barely a notch above Routh's own dialog scenes in SR.

In particular all his scenes with Lois ran too short for my liking. From the cemetery, to the interrogation room, to the airfield, etc. This is the quintessential superhero couple, and they were cut short right when they were beginning to really engage with one another. To this day I find it frustrating to watch.

 

[Marvin]

I like Goyer, but his scripts do come across best when a director/another writer adds their own little nuances to it as well. Compare Blade and Blade 2 to Blade 3 for example, were Goyer had total freedom as he directed as well, big difference in quality.

Never saw Argo, but never heard a bad word about it and the script was oscar nommed so this guy coming aboard, even if its only for a polish, is only a good thing in my eyes.

Blade3 is one of my most hated experiences in cinema. However any short reading into the drama that went on behind the scenes would surely cut the creatives involved some slack.

In short, the producers wanted to transition the series into new young(white) blood and Wes wasn't having it, 'made things very difficult' for all involved...for starters. I can't see how a good product could have come out of that, especially as product as magical as the first or fun as a the second. Contractual agreements can only bind an actor so far thus you have entire scenes with no dialogue from him and Reyonds in full rooster mode.
Still hate that movie more than anything though.

 

[sf2]

I know that there are often many script writers to films. Which is why I'm not thrilled that they are adding yet another pair of hands to this film, because unlike the many ranters about how much Goyer failed, I realized there were probably plenty of other people with their hands on the MOS script.

Sometimes it works out well, but really, how good are most movies to begin with? A lot of the suck, and suck badly. So let's not pretend that having more hands on deck actually produces a better product.

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i think it will make the script richer and better when different type people are contributing their thought. some may be in their blind spot and they have never seen previously.
the smart mind will know what to pick and good for the movie.

 

[charl_huntress]

So....if this film is terrible, who gets the blame? Goyer or Terrio?

Goyer definitely...lol

 

[Tempest]

WB have already established where their DCU is going with MOS; it's decidedly mature. Whatever the tonal shifts may be, I don't think it'll be anywhere near drastic enough where it both clashes with the first film (I'm looking at you ASM2) or anywhere near approaches Marvel. One saving grace of Green Lantern's failure is the assurance DC will not succeed trying to copy Marvel's hits.

Anyway this film could use a bit more "liveliness" in spite of Batman's presence. MOS was too consistently gloomy it missed the mark in capturing any sense of magic and awe people should have.

I'm too jaded by too many disappointments in Hollywood to trust anything until I actually view it. Like I said, it has nothing to do with Terrio, really. I'm just wary of one more person being on the film -- especially when they're named like this. It makes me wonder what the studio is playing at.

On the one hand, they could be doing it to shut up the incessant complaints about how much Goyer sucks. On the other hand, they might be doing it because Goyer is quietly being removed from the project due to 'creative differences'. Not that they'd admit to that unless they had to.

We'll see, won't we? -grin-

 

[MrsKent26]

Most of Cavill's scenes would apply to my complaint. I thought he was really shortchanged. Barely a notch above Routh's own dialog scenes in SR.

In particular all his scenes with Lois ran too short for my liking. From the cemetery, to the interrogation room, to the airfield, etc. This is the quintessential superhero couple, and they were cut short right when they were beginning to really engage with one another. To this day I find it frustrating to watch.

I agree. Luckily, the caliber of acting in MOS was much better, so the actors were able to make the most of what lines they had, especially Cavill. Luckily, he is strong with non-verbal acting. And Cavill/Adams had chemistry that came across with how they looked at each other, unlike Bosworth/Routh. I can only imagine what the MOS actors can do with more dialogue.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It was an Oscar winner sir.

Ah well even better. As I said never heard a bad word about Argo so this is only good news.

 

[charl_huntress]

In particular all his scenes with Lois ran too short for my liking. From the cemetery, to the interrogation room, to the airfield, etc. This is the quintessential superhero couple, and they were cut short right when they were beginning to really engage with one another. To this day I find it frustrating to watch.

Don't agree with the first part of what you said, but I totally and wholeheartedly agree with this. I also wasn't too fond of the Martha and Clark scenes. Again...things just felt a bit off.

 

[Marvin]

Most of Cavill's scenes would apply to my complaint. I thought he was really shortchanged. Barely a notch above Routh's own dialog scenes in SR.

In particular all his scenes with Lois ran too short for my liking. From the cemetery, to the interrogation room, to the airfield, etc. This is the quintessential superhero couple, and they were cut short right when they were beginning to really engage with one another. To this day I find it frustrating to watch.

If your issue is that of the quintessential chemistry between the two of them, I would suggest such a thing might be more becoming after the paradigm presented in the last scene. Most scenes before that involve a torn man being investigated by some strange woman, or in front of prying eyes.

As much as I hate Returns, I give it a somewhat similar pass. I don't expect "Lois&Clark" in that context. More like awkward married woman and dead beat loser lol.

More of that traditional stuff would no doubt be warmly received at this point though. The whole thing reminds me of the transition from Goyers blade into blade two, with the protagonist being more at peace with himself.
I personally found clark and martha's exchanges very charming.

 

[Jekecy]

Don't agree with the first part of what you said, but I totally and wholeheartedly agree with this. I also wasn't too fond of the Martha and Clark scenes. Again...things just felt a bit off.

It's definitely in the writing. Goyer (and the Nolan's for that matter) thrives on the grander themes. And as such he tend to put too much focus on the general sense of where dialog and set-ups need to be, rather than marinate in the moment free of everything else.

I can say most of the dialog scenes felt like a quasi Q&A session rather than formal exchanges between two human beings. Person A brings up a subject, Person B responds. Rinse and repeat accordingly until next plot point is set up. It's stilted and unnatural. Rarely did I ever feel like these characters were genuinely conversing as opposed to preaching a motif.

Which explains why the trailers were so effective. All-encompassing speeches are ripe for trailer cuts.

 

[Marvin]

It's definitely in the writing. Goyer (and the Nolan's for that matter) thrives on the grander themes. And as such he tend to put too much focus on the general sense of where dialog and set-ups need to be, rather than marinate in the moment free of everything else.

I can say most of the dialog scenes felt like a quasi Q&A session rather than formal exchanges between two human beings. Person A brings up a subject, Person B responds. Rinse and repeat accordingly until next plot point is set up. It's stilted and unnatural. Rarely did I ever feel like these characters were genuinely conversing as opposed to preaching a motif.

Which explains why the trailers were so effective. All-encompassing speeches are ripe for trailer cuts.

This actually makes sense. Though it seems more a staple of nolan than it does goyer.

The trailers themselves didn't really feature all that much human to human dialogue other than Costner and son, which didn't seem all that far removed from the originals.
-Jor and Son, traditionally jor is a dead talking head(can't see it going any other way)
Lois and and Superman which was literally a Q&A in the trailer...
With a few monologues to boot.

 

[charl_huntress]

It's definitely in the writing. Goyer (and the Nolan's for that matter) thrives on the grander themes. And as such he tend to put too much focus on the general sense of where dialog and set-ups need to be, rather than marinate in the moment free of everything else.

I can say most of the dialog scenes felt like a quasi Q&A session rather than formal exchanges between two human beings. Person A brings up a subject, Person B responds. Rinse and repeat accordingly until next plot point is set up. It's stilted and unnatural. Rarely did I ever feel like these characters were genuinely conversing as opposed to preaching a motif.

Which explains why the trailers were so effective. All-encompassing speeches are ripe for trailer cuts.

Yes...very stilted and unnatural. That's what I hope is improved because I felt the emotions in certain scenes would have conveyed a lot better if the actors actually talked like normal people. There was no doubting the chemistry between Cavill and Adams, but man...the words sometimes coming out of their mouths sometimes was just...weird. The actors did a great job with that, but it could have been better, so this is what I hope this guy will improve.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

It's definitely in the writing. Goyer (and the Nolan's for that matter) thrives on the grander themes. And as such he tend to put too much focus on the general sense of where dialog and set-ups need to be, rather than marinate in the moment free of everything else.

I can say most of the dialog scenes felt like a quasi Q&A session rather than formal exchanges between two human beings. Person A brings up a subject, Person B responds. Rinse and repeat accordingly until next plot point is set up. It's stilted and unnatural. Rarely did I ever feel like these characters were genuinely conversing as opposed to preaching a motif.

Which explains why the trailers were so effective. All-encompassing speeches are ripe for trailer cuts.

Well said, and 100% how I feel.

 

[Kevin Smith]

This is the best news we have heard about this movie. I am so happy right now.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Warner Bros. is bringing Argo writer Chris Terrio into the Batman-Superman universe.
The Oscar-winning writer, who recently changed agencies from CAA to WME, has been brought in to write a draft of the Man of Steel follow-up,the untitled Batman-Superman movie. Terrio has a strong relationship with the studio and the film's star Ben Affleck. Affleck directed and starred in Argo, which won last year's best picture Oscar for Warners.

source: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/batman-superman-chris-terrio-write-666735?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thr%2Fnews+%28The+Hollywood+Reporter+-+Top+Stories%29

Great news! Most folks wanted a co writer to assist Goyer with the polishing up of the screenplay and now we have got an Oscar winning screenwriter to assist who worked with Affleck on Argo.

Great move by WB's!

I have a feeling some of you will still not be satisfied by this move and will look for something else to possibly complain about. Sigh....

 

[Kevin Smith]

Warner Bros. is bringing Argo writer Chris Terrio into the Batman-Superman universe.
The Oscar-winning writer, who recently changed agencies from CAA to WME, has been brought in to write a draft of the Man of Steel follow-up,the untitled Batman-Superman movie. Terrio has a strong relationship with the studio and the film's star Ben Affleck. Affleck directed and starred in Argo, which won last year's best picture Oscar for Warners.

source: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/batman-superman-chris-terrio-write-666735?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thr%2Fnews+%28The+Hollywood+Reporter+-+Top+Stories%29

This is the best news we have heard about this movie. I am so happy right now.

Also, Stifler!

 

[NosfeRomas]

Chris Terrio looks like the Riddler.

 

[Charlatan]

yeah this is good news imo. I'm not a huge Goyer fan.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Chris Terrio looks like the Riddler.

Plot twist!

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Great news. If we get a Paul Dini/Bruce Timm consulting bit of info I think fanboys would faint!

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

Just curious. Why in the world would WB want to get either Bruce Timm or Paul Dini to consult, when animated and live action are totally separate entities? I mean, I loved the Batman/Superman animated series just as much as the next person, but I wouldn't think that would warrant a consultation from them.

 

[The Sage]

Plus Dini is working for Marvel now.

 

[charl_huntress]

Plus Dini is working for Marvel now.

That's sad. I love B. Timm, but I'd take Dini before him as a consultant.