spider-neil
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Anyone who thinks Bane is one of the all time great villians is kidding themselves.
I kinda want to see Electro as someone who already has powers and we find out how this came to be through flashbacks, but he's a special bodyguard for the dying Norman Osborn. Maybe if Dr. Ratha shows up in the sequel, Osborn sends Electro to kill him since he hasn't done his job with testing out Connors' serum or possibly for pushing Connors into making a useless serum.
I see these lists of memorable villains, and I gotta say...I feel that Hardy's Bane is very much underrated.
Rather than flashbacks, I want Peter to find out about Electro's origin by his own.
His picture was posted on page 40 of the past thread
True, but you had to pay attention too much to know what he was saying. Almost took me out of it. The way he gets taken out too is completely anti-climactic...
Anyone who thinks Bane is one of the all time great villians is kidding themselves.
Rather than flashbacks, I want Peter to find out about Electro's origin by his own.
Great post Nave!
It doesn't matter who they are, what matters is their plan.
Actually, Bane ranks up there next to those ultimate villains from comics like Doomsday and Venom, or Shao Kahn. On film he'd be comparable to the Terminator from the first film, Sauron from LOTR, or Willard (to Batman's Kurtz). I think just because Bane wasn't as flamboyant as the Joker or readily "Batman's arch-nemesis" people were generally dismissive of him. But his role was never to become Batman's arch-nemesis, even in the comics, he wasn't "Batman's Greatest Villain" a role that's still kept for the Joker as a sort of antithesis to Batman. Rather, he's the synthesis of both Batman and Joker: rather than being the hero's opponent or foil, he's the hero's final monster: the beast that has to be slain. Usually this has always been a reflection of the hero himself: in the Revelations its the Anti-Christ or more specifically the serpent, that sort of animal symbolism that's been so much a part of heroic fables. For Achilles it was Hector, Perseus it was Medusa: it's that foe that the hero slays and then revels in and becomes associated with for his victory. It's interesting that this for Batman was not a Bat but rather someone who's also "trained his body to superhuman perfection." It's interesting that for Spidey it's Venom -- someone who closely resembles the same spider-totem that fuels ol' Webhead.
Electro is not Bane. He's not even Joker. He isn't the ultimate foe or the nemesis. He is, however, a representation of a certain type of evil that our hero is facing throughout his career. I think of him, from a mythical perspective, as Polyphemus to Spider-Man's Odysseus: one of the many grotesque monsters that the hero faces throughout his journey.
I agree -- that'd be so much more tasteful than just giving us "flash-backs" or some sort of unrelated subplot involving his entire life-history. I like that we finally got an investigative Pete on-film (and that's probably the only positive thing you'll hear me say about Webb's Parker)
Hey, thanks! A hero's only as good as the villains right? They need to work on making them compelling rather than to humanise them as psuedo-father figures...all the time.
This warrants more attention
ExactlyRather than flashbacks, I want Peter to find out about Electro's origin by his own.
As you perfectly said, Electro should be one of the monsters in Spidey's journey. You really nailed it there. He doesn't need to rival Green Goblin. I don't think for a second that Electro will be up there with Joker and Doc Ock as CBM villains, because that's just not the kind of villain he is.
What should be compelling about Electro is A) His powers, and B) his deep personality. If they use him to his full potential (as they must do!), these two things combined will make him an extremely exciting villain.
Exactly
Something like Electro kicking his ass big time and then Spidey snooping around at OSCORP and learning his origin through experiment files and we see a quick montage.Would save a lot of time aswell
Then he makes additions to his costumes/gadgets and uses rubber tipped costume or something like that in the final fight
He doesnt need to Rival GG and he doesnt need to come up with complicated plans but you are forgetting that GG/Norman needs to be introduced.
Which means he needs to be connected to Norman but it needs to be done in a way that he doesnt come across as a pawn or just a bodyguard
And he needs to have a plan,not complicated plans but atleast one that is logical,not something like 'I have superpowers,let me destroy the city muhahahaha'.He needs to be shown as an intelligent villian rather than just a superpowered thug he was in the comics
I feel people's standards for CB villians are really going down
I find all three of Connors,Bane and Loki are average Villians,servicable at best
Yet I see so much praise for them everywhere
Anyone who thinks Bane is one of the all time great villians is kidding themselves.
Rather than flashbacks, I want Peter to find out about Electro's origin by his own.
Well apparently a lot of people are kidding themselves, huh?
I say flashbacks mostly because I want Electro to have powers from the start, but if Peter can find out himself, it would still call for flashbacks to show the viewer, lol.
It's all about opinion and if in your opinion Bane is one of the all time villians that fine but I'd wager on any poll or if you asked a group of people to name the all time cinematic villians Bane would be no where near that list.
I like TDKR a lot, I'm one of the few people that likes TDKR to TDK but Bane is no where near my all time favorite movie villian list.
That would IMO be completely unnecessary in this case. That would take away some of the creepy, mysterious feel about the whole secret experiment. Let's say Peter finds documents and stuff and reads them. He wouldn't be able to know what it all looked like. Therefore it wouldn't make any sense to show it in a flashback, because the whole thing is from Peter's point of view.
However, if it was played out more like Norman actually explaining to Peter what happened, then a flashback would make more sense. Though even then, I think it would give a much more dramatical effect to just have his words.