Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - Part 13

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" What haaapenned ? D'ya.... d'ya balls drop off ? Hmm ? "

(I feel like I was the only one who laughed at that moment at first cause I was so used to the trailer line going " I mean, what happened ? " and that's it, so I wasn't expecting the " d'ya balls drop off " part )
 
It's that time again to watch the Joker scenes from TDK. To YouTube I go.

EDIT: I'm back. God bless you, Ledger. :up:
 
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" What haaapenned ? D'ya.... d'ya balls drop off ? Hmm ? "

(I feel like I was the only one who laughed at that moment at first cause I was so used to the trailer line going " I mean, what happened ? " and that's it, so I wasn't expecting the " d'ya balls drop off " part )

Yeah the trailers definitely threw us for a loop with that scene. His determined way of saying "Kill the Batman" in the trailer was replaced with a more aloof "we, uhh. kill... the batman" and I wasn't expecting the balls line.
 
Ayer on Joker
According to director David Ayer, that method comes from a carefully constructed backstory, with every element of Joker’s look a key to understanding it - including those controversial tattoos. “A lot of it has to do with creating a character with some kind of history and footprint in our world,” Ayer tells us. “And not have this sacrosanct being outside of our continuum, our reality. If a guy like him really existed today, where would he come from? How would he do business? Who would he know? What would he look like? In my mind, I took a lot of inspiration from drug lords on Instagram. It’s a great way to understand the lifestyle of a villain.”

This is the key to Leto’s Joker; do a simple Internet search and you’ll see Instagram shots of customised golden guns (we’re shown Joker’s handgun, it’s customised purple, not gold, but you get the point), flashy purple cars (there’s no Batman hanging off them, but other than that they’re identical to Joker’s ride), and so many gang tattoos… It’s a real eureka Google.

“The tattoos tell a very specific story,” Ayer continues. “And eventually people will decipher them and understand what’s going on, but obviously they’re contentious, any time you do something new it’s contentious. There’s very specific stories and easter eggs in those tattoos. And even his teeth, there’s an entire story behind that which is absolutely canon. It’s putting his history on his body. This Joker is a little more working class, who I believe could live in our world.”
 
In my mind, I took a lot of inspiration from drug lords on Instagram. It’s a great way to understand the lifestyle of a villain.”

this is genuinely fascinating and now the tattoos, the gaudy jewelry and the teeth all make sense now.
 
this is genuinely fascinating and now the tattoos, the gaudy jewelry and the teeth all make sense now.


This is what I thought about when the look first premiered. The mafia is not the power it was on the streets in American urban areas as it was DECADES ago. There are newer criminal cultures with different senses of style, different aesthetics that could influence a character like the Joker. Combine that with the inherent flamboyance the character has always had and... Letoker.
 
Yeah. If Bill Finger, Jerry Robinson and Bob Kane had IG at the time, I'm sure they would've done the same thing to his design :o
Joker was modelled on 30's style of villainy, obviously.

His narcissism implements many different styles, but his philosophical views that life is nothing but a joke causes another factor in his mind, whether he's fully aware of it or not, that what he looks like is a mockery of society's own style of narcissism...

Leto's 21st Century Joker made perfect sense to me from the moment I saw him.
 
This is what I thought about when the look first premiered. The mafia is not the power it was on the streets in American urban areas as it was DECADES ago. There are newer criminal cultures with different senses of style, different aesthetics that could influence a character like the Joker. Combine that with the inherent flamboyance the character has always had and... Letoker.

Makes a lot of sense.
 
To be fair, Roven mentioned months ago that this Joker design was influenced by the Mexican cartel, so that's not exactly new information. However, I do believe this is the first time we've heard straight from Ayer that there is a reason for the teeth. It seems obvious enough what that is.

It's as I've said before. It makes perfect sense for The Joker to play up the modern-day gangster aesthetic. I'm just not fond of facial tattoos. And frankly, looking at photos of cartel leaders, you don't see many tattoos at all. It tends to be the soldiers who are all inked up.
 
That could be the history we may get though. In Bat '89 was Nicholson's Joker the head of the gang or an enforcer that took over?
 
Well, he says Joker is more of a working class guy who happens to command a lot of respect and power in the underworld. That is how a lot of those thugs these days are. They got all this so called rank but they still act like a grunt.
 
I'm fine with the Jewelry and the flashy clothes ect but the tats I still don't vibe with. I also think that Ayer is missing the point and essence of The Joker. He isn't a common gangster and shouldn't look as such or else... Why the clown asthetic? Sure he would have white skin either way but he chooses a clown asthetic to stand out amongst the rest. He separates himself from others in every way one can. This Joker (whilst I have come around to him) feels like an edgy rebellious teen Joker who's trying to look cool, however that should be the last thing on this mad man's mind.
 
I think the tattoo angle would've worked better if he did the tattoos himself, like Harley did. And they'd just be random scribbles and musings.
 
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This Joker (whilst I have come around to him) feels like an edgy rebellious teen Joker who's trying to look cool
Is it because of the tattoos in general, or the style of them? Either way I don't know if that comment is reflective of this portrayal. They're gaudy, self-referential, and unabashedly obnoxious to those outside his circle. Sounds perfectly in line with the Joker's spirit.
 
I see this as another interpretation of the times, same as Nolan's Joker. The exact same 1992 BTAS Joker won't work over and over in live action. As long as he's causing random grief for the city of Gotham and not giving two ****s about who he hurts, that is Joker. Granted lately it's become kind of a Seinfeld is Unfunny trope because we've seen that type of guy so much in current years, but yeah.
 
That could be the history we may get though. In Bat '89 was Nicholson's Joker the head of the gang or an enforcer that took over?

In both the animated series and Batman (89), Joker was a mafia enforcer before falling in the chemicals.
 
In both the animated series and Batman (89), Joker was a mafia enforcer before falling in the chemicals.

And in his most famous CB origin (The Killing Joke) he was a failed comedian who was pressured into doing a job. He was literally just a random guy. Ayer's Joker is in line with what we've seen in the past.
 
I agree. The Joker doesn't have to have some ultra magnificent origin (although I do love TKJ). What matters is that he seems like this random guy who's come out of nowhere to cause chaos. There should always be some mystery to him.

I liken him almost to Michael Myers. When John Carpenter (albeit drunk) decided to make him Laurie Strode's brother, a lot of his essence was stripped from him & he lost his mystique.

I feel like with the Joker no one should ever try to put a definitive face on him. Just keep him in line with what's been presented in the past while offering new beats & you'll avoid neutering the character.

Looks like Ayer's done just that. And I commend him for it.
 
I really enjoy what I have seen with Leto's Joker so far.... but we don't know exactly who the Joker is yet.... we don't know what he could be....(little Social Network reference there) I am holding out till I see the movie, although I am already a super fan of what I have seen.
We all went through this with Ledger as well... until we all saw the movie.
 
I'm a big fan of the TDK origin stories. A great synthesis of all the comic origins.
 
I didn't know modern drug lords flaunt their stuff on Instagram. Interesting.
 
I didn't know modern drug lords flaunt their stuff on Instagram. Interesting.
I think the dress/lavish style is from Mexican Cartels.
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I think the tats are Russian Mafia/prison influenced
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I think the dress/lavish style is from Mexican Cartels.

I think the tats are Russian Mafia/prison influenced

Maybe that's how he started out. Like how DCAU and Burton's Jokers were gang members at first. The lower level guys will flaunt this stuff and get these tattoos.
 
But all of his tattoos are Joker-related.
 
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