Jared Leto IS The Joker - Part 9

[Bruce Malone]

That practice is still going strong to this day, my friend.

I just watched the latest Hitman trailer and I'm pretty sure they revealed like 100% of the movie, including a surprise character twist and what is likely the final battle and its out-come.

I think the more desperate a studio is for people to see a film the more they reveal.

 

[I Am The Knight]

LOL.

And let's not forget the other most recent offender, the trailer for T-Genysis.

 

[DOBSON10]

Seems more people are sold after watching the trailer.

Not necessarily directed at you but I'd like to point out that most people, even among the people who hate or dislike how he looks, thought that Leto would be pretty good to great in the role. I think that gets ignored by people who have been staunchly defending the look from Day 1. Very few people ever questioned Leto or his ability to play the character.

I expected Leto to do very well in the role since he was cast, but I still don't like the character design/costume. I highly doubt I ever will.

But based on the small snippet in the trailer, it seems he'll have the best Joker voice of the three movie adaptations, IMO. I think it's really good. Really I think performance wise he'll be up there with Heath Ledger in terms of straight acting performance. I think the thing that will always set Ledger apart though is the writing, I'm literally just guessing but I don't expect they will top the writing for The Joker in the Dark Knight. I think that's another thing that gets kind of lost in the fray, as good as Heath was, it was the writing that was really the best thing about Ledgers Joker IMO.

But yeah, definitely looking forward to Leto's performance, even more after seeing the trailer.

 

[DeadStroke]

Not necessarily directed at you but I'd like to point out that most people, even among the people who hate or dislike how he looks, thought that Leto would be pretty good to great in the role. I think that gets ignored by people who have been staunchly defending the look from Day 1. Very few people ever questioned Leto or his ability to play the character.

I expected Leto to do very well in the role since he was cast, but I still don't like the character design/costume. I highly doubt I ever will.

But based on the small snippet in the trailer, it seems he'll have the best Joker voice of the three movie adaptations, IMO. I think it's really good. Really I think performance wise he'll be up there with Heath Ledger in terms of straight acting performance. I think the thing that will always set Ledger apart though is the writing, I'm literally just guessing but I don't expect they will top the writing for The Joker in the Dark Knight. I think that's another thing that gets kind of lost in the fray, as good as Heath was, it was the writing that was really the best thing about Ledgers Joker IMO.

But yeah, definitely looking forward to Leto's performance, even more after seeing the trailer.

Yea as great as Heath was.....I think there are/were a few other great actors who could have pulled off that role. The writing was that strong. Really hope Ayer wrote one hell of a script. Because you cant make the Joker look that different and then not sell the character well with the story. Nolan took a risk, but nailed the story.

Here's hoping Ayer does the same.

 

[The Joker]

You can have the best script in the world, but without talented actors to bring it to life, it's not worth the paper it's printed on. Same as how great actors can't make a crappily written character or lousy script great. It reminds me of that old saying; you can't make s*** shine. If Leto doesn't have a good script, all the great acting in the world won't save the Joker. And vice versa if his acting is not up to par then the character will fail no matter how good he's written, which is less likely, but you get the point.

 

[The Endless]

Ledger's performance was stunning. And Joker was the best written character in that film by far.

But Leto seems to have disappeared into this role just as much as Heath. He has shown the same level of commitment. And David Ayer whilst having a different writing style to Nolan, is a top writer himself. His Joker will more more brutal and tormenting and flamboyant. I bet he's always wanted to write a criminal like this.

 

[Majik1387]

Hahahahahahha Joker being best written in TDK.

 

[The Endless]

Well all the other characters were lame as ****, especially Batman. Well actually Dent and Gordon were good. How many people watch that film just to watch the Joker scenes? I bet a lot.

 

[Majik1387]

Look, I'll agree Ledger gave a great performance, but the writing? No. Nothing to so with Ledger.
And yes I agree, Dent and Gordon were written really good.

 

[Jekecy]

You can have the best script in the world, but without talented actors to bring it to life, it's not worth the paper it's printed on. Same as how great actors can't make a crappily written character or lousy script great. It reminds me of that old saying; you can't make s*** shine. If Leto doesn't have a good script, all the great acting in the world won't save the Joker. And vice versa if his acting is not up to par then the character will fail no matter how good he's written, which is less likely, but you get the point.

Eh, I really don't think it works both ways here. Actors can most definitely enhance a poor script through their performances. They're the ones bringing everything to life, after all. Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan immediately comes to mind. He succeeded where practically everyone else failed in that trilogy.

Speaking of Joker, I feel like a lesser actor would've been considered too preachy in TDK. Just looking at the writing on paper, the character could've easily came off as a one-note villain who only spoke out catchphrase dialog. Ledger's unique delivery and physical performance gave those necessary layers and dimensionality.

Not too worried about this iteration to be honest. Ayer has a gift of making us care and be enthralled with troubled individuals. Coupled with his dedication in bringing out the strongest performance from his actors, and knowing how Leto is already a method performer all to himself, we're very fortunate to have this duo filling the very big shoes left by Nolan and Ledger.

 

[Greens]

Saw this on Imgur.

 

[matt47]

I don't see how TDKReturns Joker is "The Politician"

 

[Rodrigo90]

So, how about that Dick Grayson/Joker theory?

Perhaps Willem Dafoe could play the real Joker who Jared ended up killing...I like that, meself

 

[Greens]

I don't see how TDKReturns Joker is "The Politician"

It's a joke. "The demented hobo"

 

[The Endless]

So, how about that Dick Grayson/Joker theory?

Perhaps Willem Dafoe could play the real Joker who Jared ended up killing...I like that, meself

No.

 

[Rodrigo90]

No.

 

[The Joker]

Eh, I really don't think it works both ways here. Actors can most definitely enhance a poor script through their performances. They're the ones bringing everything to life, after all. Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan immediately comes to mind. He succeeded where practically everyone else failed in that trilogy.

Saying he succeeded where everyone else failed in that trilogy is just saying he was the best of a bad bunch. I don't see that as a compliment to McGregor. How hard is it to stand out in a decent acting performance when everyone else is crap.

Speaking of Joker, I feel like a lesser actor would've been considered too preachy in TDK. Just looking at the writing on paper, the character could've easily came off as a one-note villain who only spoke out catchphrase dialog. Ledger's unique delivery and physical performance gave those necessary layers and dimensionality.

No, I don't agree with that either. The writing has to compliment the character so the actor has something to sink their teeth into and bring all the layers and dynamics to the character to life in their performance. Whether he's getting his jollies out of torturing a copycat Batman on TV, to laughing in Batman's face as he beats the hell out of him. Ledger or any great actor couldn't have pulled off what he did without a strong script to work his material off. The script is the foundation to every great character and movie.

I also wouldn't be able to find so many comic book Joker influences on him if the script didn't incorporate them into his character; http://jokerfans.blogspot.ie/

Leto will be doing really well if there's half as much comic Joker written into his character. That of course will depend on the script.

Not too worried about this iteration to be honest. Ayer has a gift of making us care and be enthralled with troubled individuals. Coupled with his dedication in bringing out the strongest performance from his actors, and knowing how Leto is already a method performer all to himself

Leto or Ayer have never been a concern from what I've seen. It's the horrible design they came up with for the Joker that's holding him back for many people, myself included. It's hard to enjoy a character when they look so bad. It reminds me of the Ivan Ooze debacle going on with Apocalypse right now. It's the visual look not the actor or the director that are causing concern there.

we're very fortunate to have this duo filling the very big shoes left by Nolan and Ledger.

On that we agree.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I was reflecting on Heath's performance last night. Hust analysing the whole thing in my head. Whatever some think of the writing, you cannot not be blown away by what he gave.

 

[The Endless]

I prefer the look of Leto Joker tbh. He looks preened and vain and flamboyant. Ledger's Joker, whilst i liked the cut smile and the idea of the make-up, looked like he slept in a dumpster every night. Vagrancy isn't something i'd attribute to the Joker lol.

 

[Boy Scout]

So, how about that Dick Grayson/Joker theory?

Perhaps Willem Dafoe could play the real Joker who Jared ended up killing...I like that, meself

No.

 

[The Joker]

I prefer the look of Leto Joker tbh. He looks preened and vain and flamboyant. Ledger's Joker, whilst i liked the cut smile and the idea of the make-up, looked like he slept in a dumpster every night. Vagrancy isn't something i'd attribute to the Joker lol.

No offense, but that is hyperbolic nonsense. This is not the look of a vagrant, or any kind of person who looks like they sleep in trash every night;

As for looking vain, and preened, and flamboyant, you could say the same about this;

But it's still ugly as sin. More ugly than Leto's, and only one of two Joker designs that is more of an eyesore than his. The other being the Leatherface look from A Death of the Family.

 

[The Endless]

No offense, but that is hyperbolic nonsense. This is not the look of a vagrant, or any kind of person who looks like they sleep in trash every night;

That's a promotional still, not the same as what he looked like in the movie with his long manky fingernails, greasy hair, rotten teeth, never changing his clothes etc.

And why so defensive? I'm not trying to have a debate about our opinions, i'm just stating mine. And again Joker was easily the best part of that movie, so i'm not criticising him. I respect the look they went for, but personally, i find Leto's more in line with how i perceive the Joker on the whole. Tattoo's and all (except the "damaged" one ugh).

See Leto's Joker i can imagine living in some gawdy, over the top palace converted from a fairground or arcade or something (in fact that shot of Harley apparently pole dancing in the trailer is probably for Joker in his hideout). Ledger's Joker? I don't think he gives a **** where he lives or lays his head.

 

[Rodrigo90]

No.

Well let's look at the facts.

We have a Joker with, apparently, a Robin tattoo on his arm...It's making all the more sense

 

[The Joker]

That's a promotional still, not the same as what he looked like in the movie with his long manky fingernails, greasy hair, never changing his clothes etc.

What difference does it make if it's a promotional still? His costume and make up didn't change for the movie from that.

He didn't have long manky fingernails, his hands were just covered in make up smears;

As for greasy hair. Lots of preened people have greasy hair. It doesn't make them unclean.

And why so defensive? I'm not trying to have a debate about our opinions, i'm just stating mine.

I'm not being defensive. Hence why I said no offense. You don't have to have a debate. Nobody's forcing you to reply. Am I not allowed to address what you said?

 

[The Endless]

He did in the interrogation scene And like my mother always told me; it's not what you say but how you say it