Jerry Seinfeld says we're easily outraged, causing outrage everywhere

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I don't completely buy what he's trying to sell, but I do agree that there's a contingent of people who get off on reading ill intent into every goddamn thing under the sun. Like, you wanna call out people who are actually doing harm, great, but not everyone is the enemy. Not everything is an offense just because you're crying foul.
 


Jerry: I have a suspicion that he has converted to Judaism purely for the jokes...
Priest: and... this offends you as a Jewish person?
Jerry: No, it offends me as a comedian.
 
It's fitting. There is an extreme over-sensitivity with some people that any kind of comment is somehow insulting. No matter how it is phrased, what context it is in, what the intent was, if they feel insulted, you are wrong to have said whatever it is you said.

Some comedians are just out to be insulting with no purpose beyond "funny" whether it actually is amusing or not but the better comedians always use it as a weapon to show why something insulting is in fact, insulting.

Although I do also see the side that some comedians, especially older generations, have been left behind culturally in what is or is not acceptable anymore. That puts them in an unusual spot of being at one time appropriate and relevant but no longer so today and they have been unable or reluctant to adapt.
 
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I think there's a misunderstanding among the PC crowd over why certain jokes aren't considered funny. Take racist jokes for example. Every time you bring up how comedians should have free reign, there's always "that guy" who asks "Oh, should comedians joke about black people being stupid and lazy? That's not offensive? Do you find that funny? HUH?!"

No, comedians shouldn't make such jokes and I don't find that funny. But here's why that's the case: it has nothing to do with the jokes being offensive and everything to do with the jokes having no basis in reality. Comedy only works when it's rooted in truth. It is the tool we use as a society to point out the absurdity that exists in reality. We know for a fact black people aren't inherently lazy or stupid, so such joke would immediately come off as ignorant and crappy in quality. On the other hand, you would get a whole audience laughing at jokes regarding the intelligence of, for example, groups like religious extremists, even though both types of jokes are about equally offensive in theory, because those latter jokes hold some basis in reality. "It's funny because it's true" is what comedy basically all boils down to.

The only time comedians can make those sorts of jokes work is whenever the intent is to make fun of a large issue at hand. George Carlin for example has had many segments where he makes incredibly offensive statements like "**** the children", but the reason they come off as funny is because what he's really trying to do is get a reaction out of the PC crowd. He doesn't literally mean "**** the children"; instead his whole point is to show how sensitive people have become, and that's how such jokes are rooted in reality and why they're funny as a result.
 
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I think it's very annoying this whole outrage thing. And IM talking about both sides. THe "people are too sensitive" side and the outrage side.
 
Then there's the third side, the "I'm annoyed at the 'people are too sensitive side' and the 'outrage side'"

Geez those people really rub me the wrong way
 
Blackman said:
I think it's very annoying this whole outrage thing. And IM talking about both sides. THe "people are too sensitive" side and the outrage side.
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If your user name was Whiteman, we'd have to call Sharpton for a rally on SHH. ;)
 
Sawyer said:
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/1...c?hootPostID=a5d718a237c867d310774672e53b1d0c

I don't completely buy what he's trying to sell, but I do agree that there's a contingent of people who get off on reading ill intent into every goddamn thing under the sun. Like, you wanna call out people who are actually doing harm, great, but not everyone is the enemy. Not everything is an offense just because you're crying foul.
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This my issue with some over the top feminist complaining about Game of Thrones or Whedon. He wrote the character wrong ( in their opinion) and that is fine, but the guy is not the enemy.
 
I've never understood this creepy PC obsession people have.

Macs are clearly better. :o
 
I find that joke highly offensive, KevanG

Get out
 
Please, Maltesers are far superior to Whoppers :o
 
Meh... In a free society comedians have a right to free speech and do material that offends... AND in a free society the audience has a right to voice it's opinion if they feel offended. Jeff Garlin, a comedian's comedian had a New York Times Magazine interview that summed it up well.

Also, my experience is that people that often complain about "The PC Crowd and the overly sensitive " usually have their own triggers that set their outrage off, proving that their supposed above it all mentality is the purist of bovine excrement. Let's put it this way... The same FOX News commentator brought on to vent about how people are overly sensitive and thus turning the USA into a PC society is going to be back on in a couple of months to also vent about how Christianity is on the verge of extinction because a High School has a sign that says "Happy Holidays" without seeing the irony.

Besides, this is just the world we live in now. Not that long ago there wasn't this platform available to just about everyone to give their opinions on EVERYTHING. For good or ill, now there is and dealing with "outrage" just comes part and parcel with it. Look at the idiocy of Gamergate as a prime example. No one said living with Free Speech was easy is what I have to say, and not everything has an easy, black or white answer.
 
Krypton Inc, we agree for the most part, but there are two key differences I'd like to point out.

First, the problem with PC isn't so much that people don't have the right to be offended, but more that a lot of those people feel their right to not be offended trumps other people's right to offend. There's nothing wrong with voicing your opinion on an act or statement made but when you argue others should not be allowed to make such statements because it's offensive, that's when you cross the line between freedom of speech and censorship.

Second, nothing is immune from criticism, and it's true there are criticisms out there towards PC that aren't logically sound or that are hypocritical. The example you brought up is a valid one, but I also feel you're being unfair a bit to those who have given valid criticisms of PC. From my experience, there is a world of difference between the criticisms made towards it by your average Liberal or Libertarian, and the criticisms thrown at it by your average Fox News sort of Conservative.
 
I think people expressing any type of comments however innocuous especially in the age of social media and are easily branded sexists, racists, etc.

People are easily outraged. Reminds me of that picture that's coming up again with Steven Spielberg and the triceritops and people getting upset thinking it was a real animal.

Sometimes I hate the internet.
 
That Gay French king joke just isn't funny though. The joke response that it's offensive to gay French kings is actually more funny
 
I completely agree with him. Hear a joke you don't like? Suck it up, or vent your outrage on Tumblr where it belongs.
 
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