JLA First or Solo Films First? A Perspective

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"After the characters have had a run, then to JLA. Save JLA for the big prize at the end. JLA should be the icing on the cake, not the platter that holds the cake." - Dark Gnat from BOF

Here's what I was thinking: The WB might be planning on making the solo movies first, and I'm talking about GL's, Flash's, MTOS, WW, and of course TDK. That way there is an origin to the leagues members and the average movie goer will having something to watch so they know the characters, thus saving confusion in JLA. They would release these movies in the spring/summer of 2009 and release JLA in the fall/winter. They already have a WW script and are getting more scripts and directors attached to the other heroes now so it does sound slightly plausible. If this does happen it would be because the WB knows we(the fans) will pay to see all these movies and they could be easy to market together. That is my thought for now.

You don't have to go far on the Hype to find opinions like these. Many people feel the solo films should come first and that WB is making a mistake by doing Justice League first. These are valid opinions and I'm not here to attack anyone. But here's why I feel that won't work, or is atleast unneccessary.

The main argument for doing JLA last is that it would...

A) Help introduce the characters to the audience

B) Be a big payoff

These reasons may sound nice on paper, but they really don't make any sense. First off, coordinating 3,4,5 even 7 solo franchises, to be released in an appropriate order to lead into JLA would be damn near impossible. One actor or director drops out and everyone's screwed. And this all assumes that each franchise is successful. It's much more feasible to have the ensemble film, and then see which solo franchises will work and which won't.

Think of it like this (and this is a hypothetical, now) : you have, say, an Aquaman solo franchise that is unsuccessful after one film. And let's say this film comes out in 2009. By the time JLA comes out in 2015-2018, no one's gonna remember Aquaman from the failed film in 2009. So the whole character origins argument kinda goes out the window. Plus, I don't have to tell you how short the average moviegoers attention span is. Most people have a hard time remembering what happened in the last Saw or Pirates movie, even though those films came/come out yearly. Unless they film some massive, 8 picture thing and release them in very quick succession, it would really be hard to keep all the characters straight and remember anything meaningful about all of them. And finally, this whole establish-the-origins-in-solo-series theory assumes that everyone who sees JLA will have seen all those solo films.

And I know that people can follow movie series and I am really not trying to say that people have some sort of retrograde amnesia for movies, but my point is just that these origins and character nuances really aren't that important to the general audience. Most people going to see JLA aren't gonna be like "Wait, how did the Flash get his powers? I can't concentrate on this movie until they explain that". For the general audience, just saying "he's the fastest man alive" or a quick reference to some "accident" is plenty. The spin-offs can handle the origins if they choose.

As for this idea of JLA being this big payoff at the end. Like I said, unless this is all done on an extremely short time table (I'm talking 3 years or less here), the impact of the "payoff" would be lost. Putting all these characters together too long after the solo franchises would just feel like a desperate money-making grab, regardless of whether or not it had been in the works for years. And more importantly, unless all or most of the actors stay on, the impact would be lessened even more. Great, you had 1-3 good films with actor A, but if he doesn't play that character in JLA, then the whole thing was pointless. There is no payoff. You face the same challenged faced now between Nolan's movies and JLA.

Finally, here's a fact that people seem to be forgetting : most people already know who most, if not all, of these characters are. They've been a part of pop-culture for decades. Just seeing this characters on screen or in a trailer should jog people's memories enough. And even if someone has never heard of a certain character, who cares? The vast, vast majority of movie characters are entirely new to the audience. No one knew who Luke Skywalker was, no one knew who Hannibal was, and so on and so on. This sounds obvious, but some people seem to forget this just because we're dealing with comic book characters.

Now let me end by saying this : I'm not saying that I necessarily love the direction JLA is going right now. I'm not a "studio apologist" or anything like that. JLA may be a steaming pile of crap. But it won't be because they didn't make solo films first. Again, this are only my thoughts. But if you really think about this situation logically, I think you'll find I'm correct.

Thank you and goodnight.
 
I still think what Marvel is doing with the solo films culminating in a big Avengers/Ultimates shabang is a much better approach.

Expectations will be much high for the solos after JLA.
 
Yeah, and you know Marvel has to be hyped that they can pen their THE AVENGERS hopes on wonderscribe Zak Penn...
 
I agree with Dark Gnat. Especially after they've found seeming gold with TDK.

Also, here's one thing, if TDK is a huge hit, even bigger than Batman 1989, then it will be a huge freaking missed opportunity and an even bigger mistake for WB IMHO.

I'm just glad it didn't happen this poorly with the Harry Potter films, which still managed to keep almost the entire cast for every movie, after people said they should recast after 3.
 
I still think what Marvel is doing with the solo films culminating in a big Avengers/Ultimates shabang is a much better approach.

Right, well when Avengers actually happens, let me know. Plus, at this point (as I mentioned extensively earlier), they're going to have to recast most of those roles (some for the 3rd time, even). It's really no different from the JL/Nolan problem we face today.
 
Well Penn working on the script is a definite bummer.

As for Sun Down's smart ass remark,a team flick is in Norton and Downey's contracts.Sammy J's appearance in Iron Man is being used to build up the idea early.

And if you think Marvel isn't going to try to compete with Justice League by pumping out a team flick of their own,think again.Recast or not,it's going to happen.
 
Also, here's one thing, if TDK is a huge hit, even bigger than Batman 1989, then it will be a huge freaking missed opportunity and an even bigger mistake for WB IMHO.

Eh...TDK will def. outgross 89, however it wont effect Batman too badly. It will however put a damper on the origin films. A solo lantern or Flash film would make more than a spinoff would.
 
Well Penn working on the script is a definite bummer.

As for Sun Down's smart ass remark,a team flick is in Norton and Downey's contracts.Sammy J's appearance in Iron Man is being used to build up the idea early.

And if you think Marvel isn't going to try to compete with Justice League by pumping out a team flick of their own,think again.Recast or not,it's going to happen.


I wasn't being a smartass, just simply stating the obvious fact that Avengers is moving forward with as much steam as Ant-Man or Wonder Woman right now. And I'd like to point out that Bale has an ensemble clause in his contract and it obvously hasn't panned out.

And I really don't want this to become a flame war, so please refrain from petty insults. But you obviously missed my point about how recasting the characters for a later ensemble film defeats the purpose of a "big payoff", as many people have put it.
 
WB is definitely going about this wrong way. Even a 5 year old could tell you that you should start with the solo films and then it should culminate with JL. Blame Singer though and of course blame WB for greenlighting Singer's Superman film. Had SR been the mega blockbuster a Superman film should be, than we would be sitting here discussing the villain in SR2, not whether or not Seth Cohen is right for the Flash. :rolleyes:

WB panicked when SR underperformed, so they scrapped all solo superhero films and decided to go with JL and then explore the solo films afterwards. But what do those morons expect when you give the audience a Superman who just lifts things and fights a rock at the end that is planted by an evil mastermind obsessed with real estate, wigs and swindling old ladies out of their fortunes. And lets toss in a miscast Lois and a Maury Povich who's your daddy storyline for good measure. :down

If you are not happy with the order we are receiving these films, blame Singer for creating that mess of a Superman movie and WB for being the idiots that gave that movie the greenlight.
 
I think sun_down's point is that we could wait another 5-7 years to see this film and Bale still might not wanna do it.

Yes it would've been nice if they could have made solo films for Flash, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern first, but if those films didn't make enough $$$ we might not have had a chance to see JLA at all, or not for another 20 years.

He's also right when he says people don't need a film of setup for each character for the film to work. It might have been nice, but it's not like the film CAN'T work without it.
Besides no one is saying that the solo films coming out won't be prequels.

It kinda bugs me people want to wait another decade, I can't even make it till tommorrow just to see if they'll anounce the cast. You guys can all stay home and wait for the solo films then pay yourselves off with the JLA DVD afterward if you want. I wanted solo films first too, but it's not happening and life goes on, and now that I've been looking forward to the JLA film for the last 2 months I can't wait till 2009, I certainly don't wanna wait until 2011-2014.
 
If Warner is having that much difficulty getting their solo films out there (unlike Marvel which seems to be pumping these badboys out like Tootsie Rolls) then I'm okay with JL being the launching pad for many of these heroes. Ideally, sure. I'd like for JL to be the "big payoff" after they've all had a movie or two. But I'll take what we're getting now IF the quality is there.
 
Solo films should have been it and JL remain nothing more than a fanboy dream. Each character is good enough to warrant their own films and should have had their own unique story and universe displayed. The argument that they 'have to be introduced first' is utter crap, even if you introduce them in a JL film, you're still going to have to introduce them in a solo film because you can't just assume everyone who goes to watch the solo film has seen the JL film. The best thing that can happen now is that WB keep the continuity of JL completely and utterly separate from solo films, no prequels, no sequels, no spin-offs, make it absolutely clear that future solo films featuring the characters have a totally different universe, ala Bats and Big Blue, leave those JL versions of the characters with JL and give each of them a fresh start and unique story.
 
Can someone answer me this question?

When was the last time 2 or 3 movies with different characters, different settings and different motives all lead to one movie?
 
When was the last time 2 or 3 movies with different characters, different settings and different motives all lead to one movie?

Alien vs. Predator

:cool:
 
Alien vs. Predator

:cool:

lol... didn't think of that, but yes you are correct...

..but looked are bad the first one turned out to be, though the 2nd one looks much better...
 
Yes, Freddy vs. Jason is another correct example, but the quality of the movie well....... lets just leave it at that.

having about 4-5 solo movies, leading it to one movie would be extremely hard to do, especially if the solo movies made money, they would want to do a sequel to that. Heck if the solo movies didn't make any money, what makes you think they would not scrap the whole idea if the first place.

Honestly its just a wet dream and nothing more. Don't give me that Marvel crap, I don't expect to see an Avengers movie anytime soon either...
 
JLA First.

By doing such, you create more buzz for each individual character than you would have had they just come out the gate with a solo film.

Featuring the heroes in the JLA movie serves as a "teaser" for a full-blown solo film...

Its exactly how the X-men franchise is structured...first they had the ensemble films, now they're breaking it up into spin-offs...
 
Can someone answer me this question?

When was the last time 2 or 3 movies with different characters, different settings and different motives all lead to one movie?

Thank you, that was my whole point. Things like that just don't happen, except in the godawful cases brought forth in the previous posts. And just like "Freddy vs. Jason", I JLA movie 10 years down the line (probably with an entirely different cast) has a good chance of seeming like a pathetic money grab and won't serve as this "big payoff" people seemed to have dreamed up.
 
"After the characters have had a run, then to JLA. Save JLA for the big prize at the end. JLA should be the icing on the cake, not the platter that holds the cake." - Dark Gnat from BOF
*sighs* my sig, nice isn't. :cwink:
 
I still think what Marvel is doing with the solo films culminating in a big Avengers/Ultimates shabang is a much better approach.

Expectations will be much high for the solos after JLA.


I have no doubt the Justice League movie will be great, but for some reason I think a The Avengers movie will be awful...first of all, Spider-Man won't be in it and the only popular heroes will be Iron Man and Hulk, seeing as how we don't have a Captain America movie yet.
 
Cap America's coming out in 09 though (or at least scheduled to). Cap America isnt that famous though, neither is Iron Man.
 
WB is definitely going about this wrong way. Even a 5 year old could tell you that you should start with the solo films and then it should culminate with JL.

Ten bucks that 5 year old could also tell you it's better to get a JLA movie now and risk never getting solo films than get one failed solo film and risk never getting JUSTICE LEAGUE.

Go ahead. Ask a five year old DC COmics fan if he'd rather see a movie with just Green Lantern in it...or a movie with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, The Flash and Aquaman in it.

Kids. Wise beyond their years.
 

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