Comics JMS off Amazing

[Kevin]

At least we agree on something, as it seems that you are screwed. But what the hay, no hard fellings? It's Thanksgiving. All on the hype are my friends even if we disagree.:heart:

 

[Electro UK]

At least we agree on something, as it seems that you are screwed. But what the hay, no hard fellings? It's Thanksgiving. All on the hype are my friends even if we disagree.:heart:

I never agreed I was screwed.

You never disagreed you were a moron! And I'm English, I don't get Thanksgiving, so I'm filled with hate.

 

[Red]

How can anyone like JMS's run? He seemingly neglected almost all of Spideys rogues and supporting cast and wrote arguably two of the worst Spidey stories ever.

 

[Kevin]

The deal was if I were a moron, that you'd be screwed. Can't get out of it now, sorry. I don't need to Agree or Disagree being a moron. I say stupid things, yes. But when Something matters to me, I have alot to say, and none of it sounds stupid. And what day is it over there. Also, Still :heart: you, too late.

 

[Kevin]

How can anyone like JMS's run? He seemingly neglected almost all of Spideys rogues and supporting cast and wrote arguably two of the worst Spidey stories ever.

It's easy, see, you either liked it, or you didn't. Really that simple. And I've said this once, and I'll say it again. I like both of those stories. The first one I LOVED.

 

[Grim Goblin]

Yippi-Kye-****ing -A!!!

I just got a new reason to wait anxiously for summer!

 

[Cullen]

I feel like a moron for ever liking his Spider-man stories. Is that the same thing?

JMS leaving is okay. Nothing to cheer about.

What will be worth cheering about is a shift upwards in quality Spider-man stories. Then and only then will I be happy.

 

[LarryLegend]

If its true, then thats good news. Now retcon everything from ASM 471 on.

 

[Kevin]

That would be dumb

 

[Fanged-Hunter]

That needs to be *****ing un-done.

Let me just say "NO"

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Do not "un-do" ANYTHING JMS has done. EVER.

Why? Because it's high time Marvel took responsibility for their work. JMS isn't given a sheet of paper and told "Do anything you want and we'll publish it without looking at it."

It goes through editors, through many levels of discussion before a story is approved, and I'd say our Editor in Chief shares the burden of your unhappiness as much as JMS.

But ret-cons are just bad. Do not start asking for them, they muck things up worse than it started.

As for JMS being the "the worst" writer in Spidey history. I have to disagree. The clone saga...more specific "Oh, sorry everyone, but the Peter Parker you've been reading for the past few years isn't Peter, it's the clone from the original clone story. See, the real Peter got beat and the clone took his place. So the clone married MJ, not the real Peter. And this is the real Peter, but we're calling him Ben Reilly now and he's blonde to make sure you know which he is. He'll be Spidey from now on.......just kidding! For the last few months, you've been following the real clone, Ben Reilly, and Peter really is Peter, who is Spidey again...but we'll leave a few things to suggest that Peter isn't the original Peter, but might still be a clone. And someone has the Parkers' baby in Europe after stealing it from the delivery room and claiming it was still born, but it really wasn't."

You want to tell me that JMS, despite the Ezekial story, despite the "Spider Legacy" concept (that I like because Peter still doesn't really believe it), despite "The Other" (which I liked enhancing some of Pete's abilities further, but boo to the new ones. Notice they aren't being used much), is worse than the Ben Reilly as the real Peter angle? I can't agree, I'm sorry.

But, you have to say this for JMS. Despite what the other writers were doing, he has NOT addressed Peter having organic webshooters. He hasn't done anything to argue against the fact, but he hasn't furthered it in his stories. I do like that.

 

[Dangerous]

the best part is reading some of the posts from these morons at newsarama.

Oh well. It was nice for the most part. Made me care about Spider-Man again.

I've really enjoyed JMS's run. This is sad news.

noooooooooooo

JMS was the only reason why I was reading ASM

Shame, I enjoyed how he wrote Peter. Still, least he got a long run

And le creme de la creme:

they should just give it over to sam raimi! that'd be bad ass

Wow, glad I don't go there.

I know I laughed. They are ******s, hahahha.

 

[Dangerous]

If its true, then thats good news. Now retcon everything from ASM 471 on.

4Real Brother.

 

[Dangerous]

Let me just say "NO"

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Do not "un-do" ANYTHING JMS has done. EVER.

Why? Because it's high time Marvel took responsibility for their work. JMS isn't given a sheet of paper and told "Do anything you want and we'll publish it without looking at it."

It goes through editors, through many levels of discussion before a story is approved, and I'd say our Editor in Chief shares the burden of your unhappiness as much as JMS.

But ret-cons are just bad. Do not start asking for them, they muck things up worse than it started.

As for JMS being the "the worst" writer in Spidey history. I have to disagree. The clone saga...more specific "Oh, sorry everyone, but the Peter Parker you've been reading for the past few years isn't Peter, it's the clone from the original clone story. See, the real Peter got beat and the clone took his place. So the clone married MJ, not the real Peter. And this is the real Peter, but we're calling him Ben Reilly now and he's blonde to make sure you know which he is. He'll be Spidey from now on.......just kidding! For the last few months, you've been following the real clone, Ben Reilly, and Peter really is Peter, who is Spidey again...but we'll leave a few things to suggest that Peter isn't the original Peter, but might still be a clone. And someone has the Parkers' baby in Europe after stealing it from the delivery room and claiming it was still born, but it really wasn't."

You want to tell me that JMS, despite the Ezekial story, despite the "Spider Legacy" concept (that I like because Peter still doesn't really believe it), despite "The Other" (which I liked enhancing some of Pete's abilities further, but boo to the new ones. Notice they aren't being used much), is worse than the Ben Reilly as the real Peter angle? I can't agree, I'm sorry.

But, you have to say this for JMS. Despite what the other writers were doing, he has NOT addressed Peter having organic webshooters. He hasn't done anything to argue against the fact, but he hasn't furthered it in his stories. I do like that.

Well what can I say I disagree w/ everything you say.

JMS is THE worst Spider-man writer, and not only did he wreck Spidey himself he had to be a cheapshot and soil the memory of lovely Gwen.
F-uck him!

Ret cons are good if its to fix a mess on the scale that he has created.
It is the only way forward, to undo all the bad writing.
You will find that 95% of board members will be in favour of that.

 

[Fanged-Hunter]

Well what can I say I disagree w/ everything you say.

JMS is THE worst Spider-man writer, and not only did he wreck Spidey himself he had to be a cheapshot and soil the memory of lovely Gwen.
F-uck him!

Ret cons are good if its to fix a mess on the scale that he has created.
It is the only way forward, to undo all the bad writing.
You will find that 95% of board members will be in favour of that.

It's funny that everyone says things can never be worse, then a few years later they forget how bad they were and claim the new writer is the worst.

Maybe it's because I was never a "Gwen is a goddess" fan. She was bland, boring, and I never cared for her. Granted, the whole "illegitimate children with Osborne" kicked me right in the no-nos, but nothing will likely ever irritate me as the second Clone Saga. ASM is contained to its own stories, I'm not required to read 9 titles each month for 3 years for one story that tells me the last five years were a joke. JMS can't be the writing the worst Spidey stories ever. I still put the second Clone saga on that pedestal. It's the one time that Spider-Man titles fell out of the top selling books for multiple months in a row.

But from a writing standpoint, retcons are simply cheap. I would put money on the line that about 95% of the people calling JMS the worst writer ever would then complain about retconning everything.

What mess has he created, essentially?

Peter Parker is still Spider-Man
There are other people with the ability to match his agility and climb walls. One of them claim that the spider is a totemic power that chose Peter, not an accident. Peter does not believe this. If we look elsewhere, Wolverine, Sabretooth, now Angel, and others all have healing factors. Does that mean they are all from the same source? Not necessarily.
JMS does not acknowledge organic webshooters.
Gwen was corrupted as the pure angel who never did anything wrong (boo hoo)
Gwen had two children who were the most asinine characters to be in Spideybooks in a long while. (Point against JMS)
Peter is a teacher and he's still very smart.
JMS introduced Morlun, a character who, despite your hatred for the alternate possibility of the powers, gave Spidey a challenge. Something he's not had in a single villain since the original appearance of Venom. (For the record, I *don't* like the totemic powers. I prefer the irradiated spider origin we all know is true)
Peter went through a change in "The Other" that was simply sickening, but in the end came out as the same Peter Parker. The "stingers" are almost never seen and his only other abilities are what he already had, only more in tune with them.
Peter revealed his identity. A very good move as it moves the character FORWARD. He regrets it and we'll likely see the Parker luck in effect as a result.

Retcons in the spideyverse are going to require a retcon of the entire Civil War, you realize.

Spidey never met Ezekial.
Spidey enver faced Morlun.
Spidey never met Gwen's freakish children.
Spidey never joined the Avengers.
Spidey never went through the changes that aren't really noticeable.
Spidey never joined Tony Stark
Spidey never revealed his secret identity.

As an extension, we then have to argue....

The new Avengers were never formed.
Were the old Avengers ever disassembled?
Did the Civil War ever happen?
Did Tony never head the cape hunters if Civil War did happen?
If Civil War did happen, why did the Avengers think Spidey was with them?

Retcons open problems. It's always better to regroup and move on, not try and backtrack for years and rewrite things.

Basically, you're advocating what you hate. JMS went back and mucked with Gwen from the past. In X-Men, they're going back and mucking with Xavier's actions as a noble character and the third Summers Brother. JMS mucked with Spidey's origin (which I reiterate Peter still doesn't believe). Now you say you want Marvel to go back and muck with what was mucking with the past.

So instead of regrouping and moving forward, making new stories and building on where we are, we'll have to deal with what's there. The Clone story is never mentioned. Gwen's kids will never be mentioned again. Just throw out those issues and remove them from your mental continuity.

Like it or hate it, it's better to move forward rather than try and erase what's done. Again, tell JMS' editors to stop approving the things he's doing. He's not solely responsible.

 

[Doc Destruction]

For the love of God and all that is holy, THANK YOU!

Get that prick FAR away from Spidey and I may just buy another one of his books.

Don't let the door hit you, and all that, you hack.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Oh, and don't retcon, IGNORE.

Treat the jerk like the clone saga. That'll learn him.

 

[Kevin]

I'm with the IGNORE camp. It makes no sense to undo everything the man has done because, whether you believe it or not, some of the things he did were GOOD.

 

[GyLocke]

I never had a big problem with him (okay, some of his stuff was weak, but not retcon worthy), but I'm glad he's leaving, a large part of the fanbase will rejoice and he can have more time to work on titles he actually writes extremely good, but for the love of god, don't let Loeb write ASM.

His work makes my eyes bleed lately.

 

[Cullen]

Recon the bad stuff, keep the good stuff, then move on like nothing ever went wrong.

It's for the best.

 

[Malus]

As for JMS being the "the worst" writer in Spidey history. I have to disagree. The clone saga...more specific "Oh, sorry everyone, but the Peter Parker you've been reading for the past few years isn't Peter, it's the clone from the original clone story....

I agree with you, but you're actually understating it.
The infamous clone story was telling readers that the Spidey they'd been following for TWO DECADES was a clone. Two. Decades. That's a couple generations of readers Marvel slapped in the face.
While I don't care much for JMS' run on Spidey or FF, the clone saga in my book is hands-down the dumbest move that Marvel Comics has ever made.
And that's really saying something as those boneheads have been slowly dismantling the Marvel Universe since the early 80's.

The Gwen-slept-with-Norman stuff is the only JMS material I'd like to see retconned. It's a tough one though, since the whole story was straight from MJ.

 

[Fanged-Hunter]

It's a tough one though, since the whole story was straight from MJ.

If I were the writer and you were MAKING me retcon it.....two words...

Memory Implants. *snicker*

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

The only thing that needs to be retconned - as in, retroactively going back and saying a previous story was false in some way - is Sins Past. And the only thing there that NEEDS to be retconned is the Gwen sleeping with Norman thing, which is an easy fix (clone, hypnosis, whatever).

Everything else you can either ignore or undo (which is DIFFERENT than retconning).

IMO, I don't dislike his stuff before Sins Past. I thought it was alright at least. Then there was Sins Past, and then The Other, and all of that nonsense...

 

[Malus]

If I were the writer and you were MAKING me retcon it.....two words...

Memory Implants. *snicker*

Courtesy of Norman Osborne- from beyond the grave or not.
Sounds good to me.

 

[Webhead2006]

I am so glad JMS is leaving Amazing soon. I hope we get a much better writer and some one who cares for the characters better. I also agree JMS has done alot of bad things in his run with a few good things. Cant wait for summer to come and new writer starts and hopefully as others have said make the title strong again and fix up things.

 

[matt50]

The only thing that needs to be retconned - as in, retroactively going back and saying a previous story was false in some way - is Sins Past. And the only thing there that NEEDS to be retconned is the Gwen sleeping with Norman thing, which is an easy fix (clone, hypnosis, whatever).

they could always make a new story saying that it was gwen stacey's clone that slept with Norman but he told Peter it was the real Gwen just to get him twisted