Joe Quesada Kills The Marvel Universe

[Dasher10]

To put it lightly, death in the Marvel U is really, really, really cheap right now. In fact, it's the cheapest it's ever been and all the constant death and resurrection needs to end.

Off the top of my head, I can name the following character who've been killed either by editorial demand or OKed by Joe Quesada.

Captain America
Phoenix
Hawkeye
Spider-Man
Cable
Nightcrawler
Thor
Wasp
Psylocke
Punisher
Darkhawk


Villains don't count as their supposed to die and come back but I'm growing incredibly fatigued by using death as a cheap tactic. Personally, I'd bring back Spider-Man and Phoenix and then put a five year delay on how long it can be before another hero dies. At this point, I'm truly expecting Iron Man, Daredevil, Captain Marvel, Cyclops and Storm to bite it any second now and with all the rumors of Wolverine dieing soon these deaths probably will occur.

Joe Quesada truly needs to stop. Right now the constant hero killing and resurrections after 1-3 years is so trite and expected and all it's doing is keeping my favorite characters from appearing. I'm not even getting into Ultimate yet which burned itself out with an unrelenting death toll.

 

[Lord]

With so much criticism i wonder how Quesada and Didio stay where they are, it's not even as if they had done some amazing piece of work before to get where they are

 

[Themanofbat]

The internet makes it sooooooo much easier for whiny fan boys to vent...
Whiny fanboys have existed for the last 50 years... the internets makes them think their opinions matter... lulz.

 

[AvengerPA]

If the villains have a right to a resurrection than so do the good guys.

 

[BoredGuy]

I agree that the yearly cycle of stunt deaths and resurrections needs to stop
but blaming it on Quesada's a little silly, he hasn't been E-i-C for what, like 4 or 5 years now?

 

[Tropico]

As much as I dislike Quesada and his antics you can't blame the whole thing on him. What rubs me the wrong way, though, is his "Dead is Dead" mandate during his tenure. For all the crap he talked about it, it lasted all but a couple of months. I'd suggest you get used to all the dying considering Marvel now does back to back events.

 

[runawayboulder]

I agree that the yearly cycle of stunt deaths and resurrections needs to stop
but blaming it on Quesada's a little silly, he hasn't been E-i-C for what, like 4 or 5 years now?

Yeah but I'm pretty sure he's still has say over what goes on in the comics and Alonso reports to him.

Marvel's biggest problems are not the deaths, ban on characters smoking, single Spider-Man or whatever else Quesada decreed.

They are constantly cancelling/relaunching books all the time now and the creative teams have zero stability. They launch a book with an artist who's gone after 6 issues.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Marvel's business practices are pretty stupid in any way that isn't "catch a dollar quickly" and that's been known for a very long time. Yet, we just keep throwing our dollars at them and fooling them into believing these are good decisions.

In the end, I'm pretty sure we're the idiots.

 

[Lord]

The internet makes it sooooooo much easier for whiny fan boys to vent...
Whiny fanboys have existed for the last 50 years... the internets makes them think their opinions matter... lulz.

I was actually surprised how a lot of the letters in the 60s were quite intelligent, though most of the times they were shut down by other fan boys making excuses for how Sue wasn't useless in the early run

 

[Will Nolte]

Ummm I thought it was shown that Darkhawk (Chris) didn't really die...

 

[JewishHobbit]

I only skimmed the book but I don't remember seeing that. I hope you're right.

 

[Brainiac 8]

He didn't. It was all an act on Chris' part.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Could you go into further detail? I'm quite happy to hear that.

 

[jonathancrane]

The deaths are nothing compared to the abomination that is One More Day. Or Ultimates 3. Or Ultimatum. Or---

 

[Brainiac 8]

Could you go into further detail? I'm quite happy to hear that.

Spoiler

Darkhawk is attacked by an unidentified cybernetic creature, which tears his transformation amulet from his chest.The amulet is found by Chase Stein, who transforms into the new Darkhawk. The attacker was later revealed to be Deathlocket. When Deathlocket stumbled into an underground facility, she comes across a room where Christopher Powell's body is alongside the others who have died in battle.A few days later, when Deathlocket and Apex raid the place, it is revealed Darkhawk is alive and Deathlocket releases him. He then attacks and knocks out Arcade

 

[THANOSRULES]

To put it lightly, death in the Marvel U is really, really, really cheap right now. In fact, it's the cheapest it's ever been and all the constant death and resurrection needs to end.

Off the top of my head, I can name the following character who've been killed either by editorial demand or OKed by Joe Quesada.

Captain America
Phoenix
Hawkeye
Spider-Man
Cable
Nightcrawler
Thor
Wasp
Psylocke
Punisher
Darkhawk


Villains don't count as their supposed to die and come back but I'm growing incredibly fatigued by using death as a cheap tactic. Personally, I'd bring back Spider-Man and Phoenix and then put a five year delay on how long it can be before another hero dies. At this point, I'm truly expecting Iron Man, Daredevil, Captain Marvel, Cyclops and Storm to bite it any second now and with all the rumors of Wolverine dieing soon these deaths probably will occur.

Joe Quesada truly needs to stop. Right now the constant hero killing and resurrections after 1-3 years is so trite and expected and all it's doing is keeping my favorite characters from appearing. I'm not even getting into Ultimate yet which burned itself out with an unrelenting death toll.

you forgot a lot of good ones:

Genis-Vell- Perhaps the most preposterous as only a year or so earlier fans voted that he "not die". He's still dead after a long time. He was a good character and its a shame.

Quasar- Joe Q had scathing commentary about quasar as some sort of inheritanly failed character he was killed off in Annhilation, but later brought back.

Speedball- sorta killed him off but "reimagined" him a few issues later as the hugely "popular" penance.

The New Warriors- he hated them and saw to it they never came back in any recognizable form.

Richard Rider- I dont know the deal here. Its some sort of conspiracy involving Alonso , Loeb, Quesada, and Stephen Wacker.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Spoiler

Darkhawk is attacked by an unidentified cybernetic creature, which tears his transformation amulet from his chest.The amulet is found by Chase Stein, who transforms into the new Darkhawk. The attacker was later revealed to be Deathlocket. When Deathlocket stumbled into an underground facility, she comes across a room where Christopher Powell's body is alongside the others who have died in battle.A few days later, when Deathlocket and Apex raid the place, it is revealed Darkhawk is alive and Deathlocket releases him. He then attacks and knocks out Arcade

Nice!

 

[Dasher10]

you forgot a lot of good ones:

Genis-Vell- Perhaps the most preposterous as only a year or so earlier fans voted that he "not die". He's still dead after a long time. He was a good character and its a shame.

Quasar- Joe Q had scathing commentary about quasar as some sort of inheritanly failed character he was killed off in Annhilation, but later brought back.

Speedball- sorta killed him off but "reimagined" him a few issues later as the hugely "popular" penance.

The New Warriors- he hated them and saw to it they never came back in any recognizable form.

Richard Rider- I dont know the deal here. Its some sort of conspiracy involving Alonso , Loeb, Quesada, and Stephen Wacker.

Regarding Quasar, Phylla also died as well. There are ways of getting rid of characters that doesn't involve death. Just have them quit the team, it used to happen all the time in the Avengers and X-Men.

 

[mjdiddy1]

And didn't most recently

Spoiler

Rogue kill the Scarlett Witch and Rogue then bites the dust in Uncanny Avengers?

Death just has no value in comics anymore.

 

[JewishHobbit]

And didn't most recently

Spoiler

Rogue kill the Scarlett Witch and Rogue then bites the dust in Uncanny Avengers?

Death just has no value in comics anymore.

[blackout]Wonder Man[/blackout] supposedly died in that issue as well.

 

[Dasher10]

And this makes continuity nearly impossible to follow for people who don't read each and every issue of every title, let alone newbies. Like if a new reader walks into a comic shop and says, "I want to read something with Rogue or Spider-Man in it since I like them as a kid." He'd probably walk out when he hears that both of them aren't making any new appearances.

Nevermind how Cable and Hawkeye both started appearing again after only a year of being dead.

 

[hippie_hunter]

With so much criticism i wonder how Quesada and Didio stay where they are, it's not even as if they had done some amazing piece of work before to get where they are

As TMOB says, much of the criticism that Quesada and DiDio get comes from a very vocal Internet base that is actually quite small. And then there's the simple fact to where if you look at their business records, the tenures of Quesada and DiDio are actually very successful.

 

[jonathancrane]

Good point, @Hippiehunter

 

[Dasher10]

As TMOB says, much of the criticism that Quesada and DiDio get comes from a very vocal Internet base that is actually quite small. And then there's the simple fact to where if you look at their business records, the tenures of Quesada and DiDio are actually very successful.

To be fair, Joe Q greenlit a LOT of characters and changes that I liked. He brought in a lot of great artists. He moved Chris Claremont back from Fantastic Four to X-Men again, introduced a number of new characters, turned Carol Danvers into an A-List hero, etc. If I truly hated Joe Q I wouldn't have bought anything published by Marvel in the past thirteen years.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I don't care how many things Joe Q did that I liked, his handling of One More Day eclipses all of that. OMD was worse than all the good he did combined. I said that once before and someone... Dan Slott maybe, but I can't swear to that... brought up that Joe Q was a big part of bringing Marvel out of Bankruptcy and ridiculed my opinion that OMD eclipsed saving the company.

My answer... 100%. I know it sounds overly bitter, but I'd have rather seen the company fold and say good bye to the characters I loved than see what he did to them. Between OMD and Morrison's taking the family out of the X-Men, the majority of the Marvel Universe that I loved is a pale comparison. So yeah, I would have been happier (and richer) if the company would have just folded back then.

I know I'm probably alone in that, and that's fine, but that is my personal opinion.