Joker 'JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX' (Phillips and Phoenix return for the sequel) General News & Discussion Thread

[DarthSkywalker]

WB really is cursed. Every.single.dc sequel since the Bat trilogy has failed and been a dud. Most have been a massive step down in quality.

Are they cursed or do they setup the parameters for this to be the norm?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yikes lol. I am a bit baffled at the way people are making this seem like it’s the worst film ever made.

I haven't seen them, but what I've heard of the Hangover sequels. This being awful definitely sounds plausible to me.

 

[Matt.S99]

I don’t know. I don’t think it’s 39% bad lol. I think a lot of the one star reviews are just playing into the bad hype.
I think it’s a very ‘’mid” movie, but certainly not the worst thing ever. A lot of people seem personally victimized by Regina George here

Part of me does find it funny though, considering how annoying so many people were about the first film.

 

[TheScarecrow]

Call me nuts...I actually really liked it.

It's different to the first, and has a very different message. It's not perfect, but I've never seen a movie like it and I think its an interesting addition to the Batman filmography.

It's biggest problem is that it is too restrained. The musical numbers should have been bold, there was no need to base itself entirely around its predecessor, and...

Spoiler

Harley should have been more in the spotlight, and more overtly manipulative. The movie should have followed her as a "dark" counterpart to Arthur's Joker. The real Joker of this universe.

 

[emc5466]

Todd Phillips was offered the DC Studios CEO gig before James Gunn. They begged him.

Goes to show nothing much has changed and no one over there has a clue.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Todd Phillips was offered the DC Studios CEO gig before James Gunn. They begged him.

Goes to show nothing much has changed and no one over there has a clue.

I actually had no idea this was a thing. That makes this 200 million dollar practical joke even funnier.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Eh, I’m more bummed about Phoenix dropping out last minute of a new Todd Haynes movie. He will be sued for it no doubt, but I wonder how much of his Joker 2 paycheck will pay for that. He also did it last minute to M.Night Shyamalan , and that man put up his house as collateral. Lawd

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I liked the story, and on paper the musical aspect sounded exciting and potentially brilliant, but unfortunately I found most of the musical numbers to be totally dramatically ineffective, resulting in a pretty grueling, often eye-rolling experience.

The naturalistic understated singing isn’t the problem so much as a lack of narrative function. Sondheim used to say a bad song is forgivable, but a “wrong song” wasn’t, and here they were pretty much all wrong songs, and it’s kind of baffling how no one raised a flag in the scripting stage. A real shame.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Todd Phillips was offered the DC Studios CEO gig before James Gunn. They begged him.

Goes to show nothing much has changed and no one over there has a clue.

We dodged a bullet.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I actually had no idea this was a thing. That makes this 200 million dollar practical joke even funnier.

I am sure that would have been worse but as someone who fundamentally could not be less interested in the DCU on principle I would much rather have seen that deeply stupid timeline. Can you imagine??

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Probably would've been like the JJ Abrams deal where he takes the money and produces jack **** in return.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don’t know. I don’t think it’s 39% bad lol. I think a lot of the one star reviews are just playing into the bad hype.
I think it’s a very ‘’mid” movie, but certainly not the worst thing ever. A lot of people seem personally victimized by Regina George here

Part of me does find it funny though, considering how annoying so many people were about the first film.

To be fair, 39% only means 39% recommend it. The average score is 5.2 which is bad, but not close to the worst I've seen.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

No one asked me to share this, but I saw the first movie on a psychedelic drug. Highly memorable experience 11/10. Since then, I’ve gotten sober, married my best friend, and now I have the most amazing son! It’s wild how much things have changed and how much I’ve grown in the 5 years since the first one! No regrets, but I can’t begin to imagine doing that these days, I’m so much happier where I’m at now!

The first movie represents a dark time in my life but it’s still a very special movie to me, and that theater experience was incredibly powerful. This new movie had me so hyped but my hype is almost completely gone now. As a big DC guy it’s weird feeling so little for this movie.

But hey at least we have Penguin! Literally the best comic book show of all time IMO and we’re two episodes in.

 

[kguillou]

I caved and read the spoilers and I've decided not to see this. This seems like a gigantic waste of time. I know for fact that i'm going to walk out of this feeling upset so not worth it. I may see Wild Robot instead.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

I caved and read the spoilers and I've decided not to see this. This seems like a gigantic waste of time. I know for fact that i'm going to walk out of this feeling upset so not worth it. I may see Wild Robot instead.

I’m gonna watch Salem’s Lot tonight instead. Loved the book and original miniseries. I even liked the sequel movie they did!

Fun Batman connection: the kid in A Return to Salems Lot (Ricky Addison Reed) was lined up to play Robin in Batman 1989, before Marlon Wayans was cast in Returns.

 

[Matt.S99]

Call me nuts...I actually really liked it.

It's different to the first, and has a very different message. It's not perfect, but I've never seen a movie like it and I think its an interesting addition to the Batman filmography.

It's biggest problem is that it is too restrained. The musical numbers should have been bold, there was no need to base itself entirely around its predecessor, and...

Spoiler

Harley should have been more in the spotlight, and more overtly manipulative. The movie should have followed her as a "dark" counterpart to Arthur's Joker. The real Joker of this universe.

Yep, I had the same thought about Harley. Wish it was fleshed out more

 

[DarthSkywalker]

 

[Another_Fool]

Well they took a swing. Not terrible and its more original than the first which I always felt aped Scorcese too much. But the first Joker is better executed. Plus this movie tries but it just ended up not being particularly compelling.

I think this movie would've been better had they not revisit so much of the predecessor. I appreciate the commentary but they could've accomplished it by having the movie look more forward than backward. Also I think it would've been more interesting if they made Harley the POV character so we can focus on her development while still making Arthur the lead. We've learned as much as we could've about Arthur and they don't REALLY tread new ground with him in this, so Harley would've been better.

Oh well. They dropped the ball on this one.

And the ending. I didn't hate it. I was just indifferent to it. Didn't feel earned.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[TheScarecrow]

Ooph. I'm predicting a 70% second weekend drop...

 

[Lily Adler]

Probably would've been like the JJ Abrams deal where he takes the money and produces jack **** in return.

The Caped Crusader says hi.

 

[Bats123]

Good lord, this was unbearably tedious.
Hollow story, no character development (more like character regression), the musical numbers have no flair or personality besides the last one but by then its too little too late.
Man, if people thought the first one was nihilistic this one borderlines on misery porn. Ugh.

 

[Lily Adler]

Pour one out for the Joker fans (Jo Bros.? Sane Clown Posse?) who was expecting the Rocky Horror Picture Show of CBMs.

 

[blueharvest]

Pour one out for the Joker fans (Jo Bros.? Sane Clown Posse?) who was expecting the Rocky Horror Picture Show of CBMs.

I think they prefer to be called Juggalos.

 

[Gothamsknight]