The Dark Knight Joker's Father

[Coleman Reese]

I'm pretty sure he hated his father.

 

[Freakzter]

If the Joker had been married before, there would have been some sort of legal records of it.
Remeber, when he was at the jail, they said there was no record of him anywhere.

good point!

 

[Freakzter]

I'm pretty sure he hated his father.

i agree...it seems at least THAT much is true.

 

[Jonathan Crane]

If the Joker had been married before, there would have been some sort of legal records of it.
Remeber, when he was at the jail, they said there was no record of him anywhere.

But they don't know his name

 

[ronny]

Maybe his father was a loving, hard working kind of guy and that's why Joker hated him? Because he was so...average?

 

[Coleman Reese]

But they don't know his name

That would be a problem.

 

[The Top Hat]

Or maybe his father is...

just kidding.

 

[Freakzter]

looooooool XD

or actually:

 

[Rincewind]

To become this Joker, he had to have suffered a lot. None single event can break him that bad. I mean, for example Two-Face was broken by a single horrible event - the death of Rachel - and he was miles better than the Joker, as far as healthy sanity goes, and still he was pretty messed up. At moments the Joker seemed like he had no touch with reality at all. To have become like that, his life sure has been one nasty and awful story.

So, what clues do we have? The two stories about the scars, the supposed "My mother used to tell me that if you're good at something, never do it for free." line from the script, that was changed in the actual movie to go without the mother part, and the "People always ask me about my charming boyish smile. Jessica used to love it. She was the loneliest girl in high school, and my first big kiss..." line from one of the viral e-mails. And that's it.
- Now, about the stories - they are lies, I believe, in the sense that I'm convinced that his father (or his closest to father figure at the time) did not give them to him, nor that he did it to himself, out of compassion for his wife. However, there goes the question "Why he uses his father and his wife in the stories?" Probably because both of them have done terrible things to him in the past, which helped in his breaking. His father might have killed his mother in front of him, or even molested him. His wife probably betrayed him and left him in some very vile and sneaky way.
Of course, any details about them would be more in the ground of fan-fiction, but I think that it's not unreasonable to assume that his father and his wife had a hand in his fall into utter madness. He probably killed them both after that.
- About the mother line... It implies that she was a hooker, I think. Perhaps that can be connected with the Father Story. Maybe his dad was her pimp, or her pimp the closest thing he had to a father figure. And one day he might have killed her in front of little Joker. Such things happen.
- About the Jessica line... It is quite tempting to tie her into the Wife Story (Jessica loved his smile and the Wife in the story used to tell him that he ought to smile more cause he was too serious most of the time, for example). If I go on a wild Guess & Speculation mode here, I can assume that she was really shy, lonely and introverted person and the Joker, being the gallant lad that he is, helped her to become more self-confident and open to the world. And in gratitude, she probably left him like a b!tch some time later.

As of the scars... I think that they came relatively late in the picture. He either must have been broken and mad already,thus, making them himself or they were given to him by someone else and that was the final thing that sealed his descent into lunacy.

That's what I can come up with, given the clues. Now, I am sure that has to be even more we don't know (and will never know, probably), because this is not enough to create the TDK Joker. And of course, all this may be a pile of rubbish, since he probably is quite the liar and/or has become so detached from reality that he most likely isn't very sure about what happened to him ala TKJ.

 

[Rorschach II]

It seems to me that the Joker hints in both origin stories that he did it himself. In the first one, he's quoting his father as saying "Why so serious?" and "Let's put a smile on that face!" right before sticking the blade in his mouth, and then he looks over at one of the thugs and, just like his "father" supposedly did, he says "Why so serious?" and cuts up Gambol.

Then in the second story, he comes right out and says he did it to himself.

 

[nickyg641]

I don't believe a word of his daddy stories. He was lying through every one, including the one about dear wifey.

 

[Freakzter]

If the joker could(ve) continued onto another movie, I'm 100% certain there woulda been at least 1 brand new story about how he got his scars.

 

[nickyg641]

Triple post.

 

[nickyg641]

Triple post.

 

[nickyg641]

If the joker could(ve) continued onto another movie, I'm 100% certain there woulda been at least 1 brand new story about how he got his scars.

I woud love to see something like the orderlies talking, like
"Did he tell you about his father? That he gave him those..."
"His father? He said the mob did it to him."

 

[Sevb30]

Nobody ever mentions in here that that man was Senator Patrick Leahy, who is a longtime Batman fan. He also had a cameo in B & R in the Poison Ivy bidding scene at the Gotham botanical gardens.

 

[UA-Archangel]

If the Joker had been married before, there would have been some sort of legal records of it.
Remeber, when he was at the jail, they said there was no record of him anywhere.

That doesn't mean records don't exist. It just means that they cannot match him with anything.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i think Joker WAS the father he was talking about...

that is the funniest thing i've seen in ages!! and i've just had a wake and bake!!!

 

[MMoralN10Tion]

Idk, something must have made him so crazy, but there's a likely hood that he's a compulsive liar as well, because he is nuts.

 

[TheTrickster]

Okay, I've been thinking about this all today and I was wondering: Could the Joker's father have actually been a good guy? Think about it, he told the guy he held at knife point he reminded him of his father, which means his father could of thought of him as a thug. And what do you all think became of his father? I would say the most likely scenario is that the Joker probably killed him.

Him telling that story is one of the bst parts in the film. If you look at his eyes, he's imitating someone who is lying. His eyes are rolling into the corners, trying to access certain parts of the brain, like you do when you try to make something up on the spot.

From Ledgers acting in that part i'd say it was completley made up. I guess i'm trying to say that the story told us nothing about how his real father behaved.

 

[J.O.K.E.R]

He was lying. Joker had no back story. He was chatting bollocks to show how crazy and unhinged he was.

 

[Two-Face]

Everything was a lie about Joker's past.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

we can't prove that though. i think its possible there was some elements about the stories that were true. i don't think they are how he got his scars though. but to be honest i like what jonah nolan said about him, that he is like Loki or some other devil type being.

 

[The Apocalypse]

Batman Origins: The Joker - How he REALLY got those Scars.

Yeah I'd definably go see that...

 

[Schlosser85]

I kind of want to know what he was gonna tell Batman right before he got thrown off the roof, lol. He was probably getting excited and was gonna cook up another Villain Origin Story right there.