Jurassic World - Part 5

[Octoberist]

I interesting as the premise is that chaos happens when the park is officially opened, my brain still can't help get past the idea that people were stupid enough to think reopening the park was a good idea after the last 3 films. The idea makes far more sense as a direct sequel to the original. Still don't care for the Frankensaurus concept.

Edit: Just realised Pratts handling of the Raptors reminds me of how Steve Irwin use to handle reptiles and other wildlife.

Well how many movies and books have been told about the potential dangers of self-aware AI, and yet in the real world, we still want to achieve that (possible) impending doom. And it always starts the same way: with good intentions!

Human beings are flawed creatures, dude! Hell we just built an ever larger building over the site of the Twin Towers.

 

[jmc]

It's those sort of obnoxious alterations which piss off special effects artists and help make productions more expensive.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's those sort of obnoxious alterations which piss off special effects artists and help make productions more expensive.

As long as they don't leave it to the last minute. But of course this is why CGI quality can vary so much.

 

[jmc]

There's really no excuse for not figuring out what that scene should look like prior to having someone (or a team of people) spend countless hours creating it.

 

[Moridin]

I interesting as the premise is that chaos happens when the park is officially opened, my brain still can't help get past the idea that people were stupid enough to think reopening the park was a good idea after the last 3 films. The idea makes far more sense as a direct sequel to the original. Still don't care for the Frankensaurus concept.

Do you not know real life people? If there's major $$$ to be made then people will do it. Hell, look at those scientists who invent terrible viruses just to see if they can.

Nothing I've seen from JW is out of sync with real world Corporate or Scientific practices.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I thought that shot looked different.

 

[jmc]

Do you not know real life people? If there's major $$$ to be made then people will do it. Hell, look at those scientists who invent terrible viruses just to see if they can.

Nothing I've seen from JW is out of sync with real world Corporate or Scientific practices.

Except in the real world the concept would have been outlawed completely after the first incident.

 

[Broseph44]

I knew that the runway for that tram wasn't gonna be in the final shots for the film. Meanwhile people Complained about it. Oh well.

Well how many movies and books have been told about the potential dangers of self-aware AI, and yet in the real world, we still want to achieve that (possible) impending doom. And it always starts the same way: with good intentions!

Human beings are flawed creatures, dude! Hell we just built an ever larger building over the site of the Twin Towers.

Do you not know real life people? If there's major $$$ to be made then people will do it. Hell, look at those scientists who invent terrible viruses just to see if they can.

Nothing I've seen from JW is out of sync with real world Corporate or Scientific practices.

Exactly this is just how things are in the real world so the film isn't far off at all. $$$$$ is gonna trump safety and dangerous things. It happens every single day in the real world we live in. So I don't wanna even hear from some people "how can they think building the park would be a good idea?". Answer is MONEY. Sad to say but in our world it's money first and people's safety second. It's a sad truth, stop being so blind.

 

[titansupes]

Loved this spot, much better than the other trailer. So pumped for JP's return.

 

[Marvolo]

It's those sort of obnoxious alterations which piss off special effects artists and help make productions more expensive.

Those aren't alterations. The shot in the trailer shot is obviously missing elements and incomplete, but a trailer was due and they needed the shot for the trailer so they added some water and mist around the dinosaurs body to cover up where texture was lacking in the unfinished shot. This is a common practice. A prime example is GOTG's teaser last year and an article was released addressing this because people got up in arms about "alterations". Like the article pointed out unfinished shots are routinely used in trailers and they have to mask unfinished elements with simple elements (water, mist, less simple backgrounds to fill in greenscreen), but those masking elements e only ever meant for the trailer shot and that version is only ever sent to the trailer editors. Those masking elements are never meant to be in the final version.

 

[jmc]

Those aren't alterations. The shot in the trailer shot is obviously missing elements and incomplete, but a trailer was due and they needed the shot for the trailer so they added some water and mist around the dinosaurs body to cover up where texture was lacking in the unfinished shot. This is a common practice. A prime example is GOTG and an article was released addressing this. Unfinished shots are routinely used in trailers and they have to mask unfinished elements with simple elements.

Check the background out.

 

[Broseph44]

Those aren't alterations. The shot in the trailer shot is obviously missing elements and incomplete, but a trailer was due and they needed the shot for the trailer so they added some water and mist around the dinosaurs body to cover up where texture was lacking in the unfinished shot. This is a common practice. A prime example is GOTG and an article was released addressing this. Unfinished shots are routinely used in trailers and they have to mask unfinished elements with simple elements.

Once again exactly. But people refuse to acknowledge this or just ignore it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Those aren't alterations. The shot in the trailer shot is obviously missing elements and incomplete, but a trailer was due and they needed the shot for the trailer so they added some water and mist around the dinosaurs body to cover up where texture was lacking in the unfinished shot. This is a common practice. A prime example is GOTG's teaser last year and an article was released addressing this because people got up in arms about "alterations". Like the article pointed out unfinished shots are routinely used in trailers and they have to mask unfinished elements with simple elements (water, mist, less simple backgrounds to fill in greenscreen), but those masking elements e only ever meant for the trailer shot and that version is only ever sent to the trailer editors. Those masking elements are never meant to be in the final version.

This could be a very good example of what you are saying. But this is not always the situation. Del Toro has talked about the problem with so many tweaking CGI late in the game, forcing the artist to do the same scene countless times. Why the overall CGI might suffer. See Jackson's work on The Hobbit and TASM series for examples.

 

[Marvolo]

Check the background out.

What about it? As you can see the background wasn't finished in time for the trailers release so they masked it with cloud cover and the tram rail. This is very very common practice that has been used for trailer footage involving VFX for years. It's not an alteration, but a mask. The VFX nor the crew ever intended that shot to look like the trailer shot. That's a temp shot for the trailer only.

 

[Marvolo]

This could be a very good example of what you are saying. But this is not always the situation. Del Toro has talked about the problem with so many tweaking CGI late in the game, forcing the artist to do the same scene countless times. Why the overall CGI might suffer. See Jackson's work on The Hobbit and TASM series for examples.

But what we are seeing here is clearly not the same as what Jackson does. The trailer shot is an unfinished shot with temp elements being used to mask unfinished compositing, texturing, shadowing etc.

 

[jmc]

What about it? As you can see the background wasn't finished in time for the trailers release so they asked it with cloud cover. This is very very common practice that has been used for trailer footage involving VFX for years. It's not an alteration, but a mask. The VFX nor the crew ever intended that shot to look like the trailer shot. That's a temp shot for the trailer only.

Wasn't finished? It's completely different.

 

[Moridin]

Except in the real world the concept would have been outlawed completely after the first incident.

If you or I were in charge of such a decision, sure. But there are people and corporations out there that don't think like that. They put profit margins over peoples lives. Look at the drug war, far more destructive than the drugs themselves ever could be.

1 in 2 people who smoke cigarettes die of related disease like cancer, doesn't stop cigarette companies from manufacturing them. That's because they make a $#!£ ton of money, they don't give a f*** about the [literally] millions of people that die every year from using their product.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Changing VFX before the film is released is no different than planning re-shoots months after you've wrapped. Or changing dialogue or parts of the script while shooting. Films are constantly being tweaked. This is no different. The final cut is in the editing room.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But what we are seeing here is clearly not the same as what Jackson does. The trailer shot is an unfinished shot with temp elements being used to mask unfinished compositing, texturing, shadowing etc.

I agree with you. Especially when we know a lot of big trailer shots are locked well in advance. So the shot from the trailer is probably months old in comparison.

 

[jmc]

If you or I were in charge of such a decision, sure. But there are people and corporations out there that don't think like that. They put profit margins over peoples lives. Look at the drug war, far more destructive than the drugs themselves ever could be.

1 in 2 people who smoke cigarettes die of related disease like cancer, doesn't stop cigarette companies from manufacturing them. That's because they make a $#!£ ton of money, they don't give a f*** about the [literally] millions of people that die every year from using their product.

Lets be honest, the US would probably bomb the place to destroy the information to prevent it falling into the hands of rivals.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Changing VFX before the film is released is no different than planning re-shoots months after you've wrapped. Or changing dialogue or parts of the script while shooting. Films are constantly being tweaked. This is no different. The final cut is in the editing room.

Yes. But it is also important to realize the time it takes to make these shots happen. It is why we see so much unfinished looking CGI from great companies like Weta. Del Toro specifically avoids doing this to his team, which is why his films look so polished.

 

[Octoberist]

They even changed what's being shown on that dude's iPhone!

 

[Broseph44]

If you or I were in charge of such a decision, sure. But there are people and corporations out there that don't think like that. They put profit margins over peoples lives. Look at the drug war, far more destructive than the drugs themselves ever could be.

1 in 2 people who smoke cigarettes die of related disease like cancer, doesn't stop cigarette companies from manufacturing them. That's because they make a $#!£ ton of money, they don't give a f*** about the [literally] millions of people that die every year from using their product.

You can't reason with JMC, he doesn't listen.

 

[jmc]

Changing VFX before the film is released is no different than planning re-shoots months after you've wrapped. Or changing dialogue or parts of the script while shooting. Films are constantly being tweaked. This is no different. The final cut is in the editing room.

And it takes time to create those temps shots. There's no excuse for the design of that scene not to be locked off in the concept stage prior to the creation of even the temp shots. All you end up doing it wasting the artists time and more often than not they aren't paid to make the alterations. It BS art practices.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They even changed what's being shown on that dude's iPhone!