Justice League Justice League: News and Speculation - - - - Part 18

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[Dninx64]

final part

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Stepping into this field of shared superhero world’s where Marvel and Fox are several films deep already, did you make a conscious choice to try to avoid duplicating what the other studios were doing? I mean, on the one hand the stories obviously drive the material; but to some extent as a producer working to bring a huge stable of properties to life, I imagine there’s an awareness that part of success will be finding unique approaches that audiences haven’t seen yet, and avoiding doing what has already been done.
DS: I think it was really important. A lot of people have said, “Wow, it’s taking a long time,” and part of the reason it’s taken a long time is to really figure out where we’re going. And I think you have to start with Justice League, because Justice League is the core. It’s where the characters are together. If you have these Justice League movies coming, and you have these individual movies peppered in between, we kind of need to know what the trajectory is.
So Zack and Geoff Johns sat down and outlined where they thought the stories were going to go. And it doesn’t mean that once you have a writer writing them, it’s not going to change, but at least it’s a framework of, “Here’s what we think is going to happen from now til, say, 2020, through the second Justice League movie.”
Then, at least when you bring in a director or a writer for a stand-alone movie, they know where the movie’s coming in the slate of movies — when it’s releasing — and where that character is in our timeline. But they also then have the flexibility to make it their own. Because I think what we don’t want are the movies to feel like a committee made them, to feel like they’re all the same. Tonally, they should be so different because the characters are so different.

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Image courtesy of Warner Bros

David Ayer’s Suicide Squad has such an amazing, brash tone. It’s fun and it’s about the villains, and it’s super-different than Patty Jenkins’ Wonder Woman, which is an origin story and tells her story. As you can imagine, when we get to the Flash movie, Ezra Miller and Ray Fisher — who plays Cyborg — are kind of our youngest characters, and they have a really nice comradery with each other. Ezra is super funny, so the tone of that film will be very different than the rest of them.
Quite frankly, we have a director-driven company, and it was really important to get really good talent involved in these films. For them, it’s all about the director’s point of view and what they can bring to it, so they feel unique and different, and the stories can be unique to the characters.
In this way, it gives us some framework where we’re always in communication, you know, we’re sharing artwork with everybody, we’re sharing if something changes in the script with the other directors. So they also know the other characters, and I think you might see some surprises in the movies, because it is the same universe. Which I think is fun, if you have this interconnected universe with these characters then I think they would show up maybe in some of the [other] stories.
When I saw Watchmen, I thought, “This is how to adapt the DC universe to live action.” The themes, the tone, everything felt right to me for how I imagine the DCU looking and feeling on film. When developing Batman v Superman, did you go back to Watchmen and the approach of that film, the ideas and themes and how they fit with the DCU?

DS: You know, Watchmen is my favorite film we’ve worked on. I like it because it is so layered, so political, and so social. I love it.
It was surprising to me how much this movie [Batman v Superman] reminds me of Watchmen. I think a lot of it comes from the writing, from Chris Terrio, and from basing this story in the real world. Once you do that, you start asking questions, like in Watchmen. What if God existed on Earth? What would that do to religion? If there was a real god what would that do to politics? How would governments try to use this? What does it mean for society?

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And I think that’s great. But we didn’t make a conscious effort to say, “Oh, it worked there, let’s bring it in here.” It just kind of evolved, and it evolved because of the real world nature of these films. I think once you start putting these characters who have amazing powers into our world, it just begs the questions.
Thanks to Deborah Snyder for taking the time to speak with me again about Batman v Superman and his perspective on film, comics, and characterization!

 

[Dninx64]

not a bad first post in a new thread

posted the article for those who had adblock on and forbes wasn't letting you in
ironically I had adblock on and still let me see the article

 

[jokesonm3]

Same here, i've had adblock on for years, never putting it off and Forbes always works fine for me.

Still, cheers Dninx64 for the pasting mate.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

As you can imagine, when we get to the Flash movie, Ezra Miller and Ray Fisher — who plays Cyborg — are kind of our youngest characters, and they have a really nice comradery with each other. Ezra is super funny, so the tone of that film will be very different than the rest of the cast

Victor/Barry bromance, no Hal/Barry though

 

[jokesonm3]

Victor/Barry bromance, no Hal/Barry though

 

[harryoscop]

Am I the only one who is slighty annoyed that they're combining Barry with Wally?

 

[ManWithNoName18]

At least they're making Ezra Miller cut his manbun/beard for the flash

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Am I the only one who is slighty annoyed that they're combining Barry with Wally?

Where did you hear this?

It works for me.
The best way they can go about it imo

Really only care to see two speedsters in the DCEU
http://cdn.****************.com/wp-content/uploads/599874-professor_zoom_super.jpg

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Am I the only one who is slighty annoyed that they're combining Barry with Wally?

Giving Barry a sense of humor doesn't make him Wally, Barry Allen and Wally West are defined by so much more than just their sense of humor.

 

[Guts]

At least they're making Ezra Miller cut his manbun/beard for the flash

He had his long hair in his BvS cameo. I think he cut his hair for Fantastic Beasts.

 

[Sleiek]

Grant Gustin Barry has a pretty high sense of humor and people enjoy that.

 

[harryoscop]

Giving Barry a sense of humor doesn't make him Wally, Barry Allen and Wally West are defined by so much more than just their sense of humor.

I agree, there's more to them than that, but it's still a part of their characterization. Barry's humor shouldn't come from him being a funny *****e like Wally (which is being implied by Deborah Snyder), it should come from him being nerdy/geeky. Now it isn't a huge deal for me, but I was kinda hoping that they'd go for a more serious Flash with Allen.

Where did you hear this?

It works for me.
The best way they can go about it imo

Really only care to see two speedsters in the DCEU
http://cdn.****************.com/wp-content/uploads/599874-professor_zoom_super.jpg

Deborah Snyder comments

 

[brandeezy89]

So since [blackout]Laurel[/blackout] will be exiting Arrow soon i'm guessing we'll be seeing [blackout]Black Canary[/blackout] in JL like the rumors suggest

 

[TripleJ]

Giving Barry a sense of humor doesn't make him Wally, Barry Allen and Wally West are defined by so much more than just their sense of humor.

I agree, there's more to them than that, but it's still a part of their characterization. Barry's humor shouldn't come from him being a funny *****e like Wally (which is being implied by Deborah Snyder), it should come from him being nerdy/geeky. Now it isn't a huge deal for me, but I was kinda hoping that they'd go for a more serious Flash with Allen.

Deborah Snyder comments

They are already doing it with TV show...not sure why they are repeating themselves on the big screen.

I hope not. Come on, Johns...tell them to not do that.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I agree, there's more to them than that, but it's still a part of their characterization. Barry's humor shouldn't come from him being a funny *****e like Wally (which is being implied by Deborah Snyder), it should come from him being nerdy/geeky. Now it isn't a huge deal for me, but I was kinda hoping that they'd go for a more serious Flash with Allen.

Deborah Snyder comments

Link?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I never got the appeal of so many different flash iterations lol.

 

[harryoscop]

Link?

Justice League is a little bit lighter because some of these characters, you have Flash, tend to be a little more comedic, I'd say.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/One-Way-Justice-League-Try-Lighten-Mood-DC-Films-120437.html

Yep, sounds like a comedic Flash which/who is Wally.

 

[jokesonm3]

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/One-Way-Justice-League-Try-Lighten-Mood-DC-Films-120437.html

Yep, sounds like a comedic Flash which/who is Wally.

I agree, there's more to them than that, but it's still a part of their characterization. Barry's humor shouldn't come from him being a funny *****e like Wally (which is being implied by Deborah Snyder), it should come from him being nerdy/geeky.

Doesn't sound like she's describing a *****ey Flash to me nor Wally, just a Barry Allen with a funny side to me.

 

[Sleiek]

So what y'all saying is Grant Gustin also has the Wally West merged with his Barry Allen?

 

[harryoscop]

Doesn't sound like she's describing a *****ey Flash to me nor Wally, just a Barry Allen with a funny side to me.

How funny is the question. Because technically, both Batman and Superman had a "funny side" in BVS.

 

[jokesonm3]

So what y'all saying is Grant Gustin also has the Wally West merged with his Barry Allen?

If that's the case then I definitely prefer the Wally/Barry combo over the traditional Barry Allen for Ezra.

 

[Herolee10]

I feel like the fact that Snyder and company aren't even trying to calmly assess on why so many people had issues with BvS and its characterization of characters really doesn't bode well for the DCEU in the long term.

The guy doesn't know on how to take constructive criticism at all. He thinks he's flawless and can never admit when he's made an mistake. An real filmmaker should be able to see their own flaws and figure out on how/where they can improve.

 

[jokesonm3]

How funny is the question. Because technically, both Batman and Superman had a "funny side" in BVS.

Really? Not to me, basically felt like she was saying that the Flash will be the funny guy in the Justice League, which is awesome.