Justice League: News and Speculation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 49

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[Jake Cassidy]

Wow. You just admitted that Spider-Man is a *****.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Wow. You just admitted that Spider-Man is a *****.

I'm a huge Spider-Man fan but he is a total wuss. And not just the Raimi version. Almost every version of the character seems to be a whiny little *****.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Tbh, that's one of the reasons people find him relatable. There's not a lot of characters who have been more upfront to the audience than Peter Parker.

 

[chamber-music]

I don't think Spidey is a wuss. Peter Parker is a poor nerdy kid that got superpowers. A lot of other superheroes are alpha male types. Rich or hot shot pilots or brilliant soldiers or world athletes or royalty or super geniuses and so on. If most people were honest with themselves they would probably find Spidey the superhero they are most like which is why he is often described as being relatable.

Superman is generally depicted as being hopeful and seeing the best in humanity. There are plenty of times in the comics when Kal/Clark has been downbeat or sad but his optimism usually overrides those times.

A lot of Superheroes have those "woe is me" moments. Every damn superhero show and movie features them. Characters stop and take stock for a moment. Often they wallow in self pity about some mistake they made. They get a pep talk from a mentor or sidekick and then do some triumphant heroic deed that makes them ok again.

 

[idiot09]

Yeah Clark getting so much hate despite doing what he thinks is the right thing, made him question himself. Everything he did was political. Media build him up, and it was the media who tore him down. It was very much a commentary on our modern world. We have billionaire footballers who withdraw from social media and suffer from depression after being abused on twitter. Clark got that on a much bigger scale. Any person will get affected by that. Its only human. And thats what Clark is, despite how super he is.

 

[matt47]

Yeah Clark getting so much hate despite doing what he thinks is the right thing, made him question himself. Everything he did was political. Media build him up, and it was the media who tore him down. It was very much a commentary on our modern world. We have billionaire footballers who withdraw from social media and suffer from depression after being abused on twitter. Clark got that on a much bi****** scale. Any person will get affected by that. Its only human. And thats what Clark is, despite how super he is.

This.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Tbh, that's one of the reasons people find him relatable. There's not a lot of characters who have been more upfront to the audience than Peter Parker.

I love Peter/Spidey just the way he is, that's just his character.

 

[Paradox1]

Yeah Clark getting so much hate despite doing what he thinks is the right thing, made him question himself. Everything he did was political. Media build him up, and it was the media who tore him down. It was very much a commentary on our modern world. We have billionaire footballers who withdraw from social media and suffer from depression after being abused on twitter. Clark got that on a much bi****** scale. Any person will get affected by that. Its only human. And thats what Clark is, despite how super he is.

Essentially this. It's a cycle in the media that repeats itself, build the hero up, put him on a pedestal few can maintain, then tear him down. The follow up is the come back but not many can do it. One of the greats Muhammad Ali is someone who did and it's a great story.

 

[morningmimosa]

Yeah Clark getting so much hate despite doing what he thinks is the right thing, made him question himself. Everything he did was political. Media build him up, and it was the media who tore him down. It was very much a commentary on our modern world. We have billionaire footballers who withdraw from social media and suffer from depression after being abused on twitter. Clark got that on a much bigger scale. Any person will get affected by that. Its only human. And thats what Clark is, despite how super he is.

 

[Bagide]

Yeah Clark getting so much hate despite doing what he thinks is the right thing, made him question himself. Everything he did was political. Media build him up, and it was the media who tore him down. It was very much a commentary on our modern world. We have billionaire footballers who withdraw from social media and suffer from depression after being abused on twitter. Clark got that on a much bigger scale. Any person will get affected by that. Its only human. And thats what Clark is, despite how super he is.

So true

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Yeah Clark getting so much hate despite doing what he thinks is the right thing, made him question himself. Everything he did was political. Media build him up, and it was the media who tore him down. It was very much a commentary on our modern world. We have billionaire footballers who withdraw from social media and suffer from depression after being abused on twitter. Clark got that on a much bigger scale. Any person will get affected by that. Its only human. And thats what Clark is, despite how super he is.

Exactly.

 

[Nemeres]

Yeah Clark getting so much hate despite doing what he thinks is the right thing, made him question himself. Everything he did was political. Media build him up, and it was the media who tore him down. It was very much a commentary on our modern world. We have billionaire footballers who withdraw from social media and suffer from depression after being abused on twitter. Clark got that on a much bigger scale. Any person will get affected by that. Its only human. And thats what Clark is, despite how super he is.

It's miscalculated execution, imo. What BVS presents him with should be very much expectable from the outset, no? Controversy and fear, things that he's supposed, and reasonably expected, to be able to counteract. Clark had already been set up as someone with a mission and with a clear perspective on what his purpose is. When Jor-El gave him the mission to inspire hope, he probably didn't mean it to happen only by having him die. The film expects empathy while giving the hero a flimsy brand of conviction, making him so ready to let others tell him what he is and isn’t. Reasonable cause, questionable effect.

 

[idiot09]

It's miscalculated execution, imo. What BVS presents him with should be very much expectable from the outset, no? Controversy and fear, things that he's supposed, and reasonably expected, to be able to counteract. Clark had already been set up as someone with a mission and with a clear perspective on what his purpose is. When Jor-El gave him the mission to inspire hope, he probably didn't mean it to happen only by having him die. The film expects empathy while giving the hero a flimsy brand of conviction, making him so ready to let others tell him what he is and isn’t. Reasonable cause, questionable effect.

I dont know man. If death followed me everywhere I go, if a set of people started worshipping me, I would be pretty shook up too. Could he have done more to change the perception of people? Maybe. But for me, yeah his reaction was pretty normal. After all, this perceptions were fueled and engineered by Luthor, and they were not natural. It was all a setup and he was bound to lose. Why believe a all powerful god, and his declarations of innocence? The media spins things the way they want it, and thats the way it is. Regardless, I didnt find Clarks reaction over-the top or weak, instead I found it commendable that despite all the backlash he still went to the senate hearing, and returned from his exile with a new found determination after self introspection.

But man, forget all this. Have you seen the new Logan trailer? Its awesome!

 

[matt47]

I dont know man. If death followed me everywhere I go, if a set of people started worshipping me, I would be pretty shook up too. Could he have done more to change the perception of people? Maybe. But for me, yeah his reaction was pretty normal. After all, this perceptions were fueled and engineered by Luthor, and they were not natural. It was all a setup and he was bound to lose. Why believe a all powerful god, and his declarations of innocence? The media spins things the way they want it, and thats the way it is. Regardless, I didnt find Clarks reaction over-the top or weak, instead I found it commendable that despite all the lashback he still went to the senate hearing, and returned from his exile with a new found determination after self introspection.

But man, forget all this. Have you seen the new Logan trailer? Its awesome!

Holy ****. Now that's what I'm talking about! A movie about a comic book character that doesn't feel like a comic book movie! I've been waiting for this for so long!

 

[idiot09]

Holy ****. Now that's what I'm talking about! A movie about a comic book character that doesn't feel like a comic book movie! I've been waiting for this for so long!

Dude it looks amazing! I loved how grounded it was. Almost like a DCEU movie. So hyped. Day one man.

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

Almost?

 

[I Am The Knight]

Almost?

 

[idiot09]

Almost?

Haha

 

[kguillou]

Logan looks awesome. It looks like one of those late winter Oscar contender films. That could very well be "The Dark Knight" of Fox's X-Men movies.

 

[chamber-music]

I have no issue with Clark having self doubt, reflection of misgivings. I do think they probably could of done a more effective job of put Clark's thoughts and feelings across.

The court room scene could of be a great moment to showcase what Superman thought and felt. His beliefs, his principles, his doubts and his hopes. You can have Clark talk to his mother and still frame the conversation in way in which he doubts humanity but still thinks they are worth fighting for.

Execution of the ideas is more of the issue than the ideas themselves in my opinion. If Snyder and the writers can execute their ideas more effectively then I think they would find these movies a lot better received.

 

[kguillou]

I have no issue with Clark having self doubt, reflection of misgivings. I do think they probably could of done a more effective job of put Clark's thoughts and feelings across.

The court room scene could of be a great moment to showcase what Superman thought and felt. His beliefs, his principles, his doubts and his hopes. You can have Clark talk to his mother and still frame the conversation in way in which he doubts humanity but still thinks they are worth fighting for.

Execution of the ideas is more of the issue than the ideas themselves in my opinion. If Snyder and the writers can get execute their ideas more effectively then I think they would find these movies a lot better received.

I agree with this. I still think it was a mistake to cut off Clark's Courtroom speech. Or, at the very least, they could have had him start speaking and then in the middle of his dissertation the incident occurs.

 

[Bagide]

Logan looks awesome. It looks like one of those late winter Oscar contender films. That could very well be "The Dark Knight" of Fox's X-Men movies.

It looks awesome. Charles has grown hair haha

 

[Benal]

Comic book movies and their first trailer in last couple of years.

Age Of Ultron - 6 months before release.
Ant Man - 6 months " ".
Fan4stic - 6 months " ".
Deadpool - 6 months " ".
Batman v Superman - 11 months " ".
Civil War - 6 months " ".
X-men apocalypse - 5 months " ".
Suicide Squad - Year and one month " ".
Doctor Strange - 6 months " ".
Logan - 4 months " ".
GOTG - 6 months " ".
Wonder Woman - 10 months " ".
Spiderman - Still no trailer.
Thor 3 - Still no trailer.
Justice League - Year and 3 months " ".

I wish DC will wait a little bit more with the trailers. The marketing campaigns are tiring.