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[Angel0fDeath]

So Krypton had a motherbox correct? What do we think happened to it?

I don't think that was confirmed. Just people assuming they had one and that the codex was tied to it.

 

[idiot09]

I don't think that was confirmed. Just people assuming they had one and that the codex was tied to it.

No man, it was confirmed by Mark Hughes, he asked that during the set visit.

 

[TheRedWraith]

I think it was bonded to an ancient Kryptonian who had recently died in order to turn the bones into perfectly preserved DNA cyphers.

 

[Benal]

In what world is it worse?

It just is. More things to complicate the motives and actions of characters and organizations. Some of the scenes felt out of place, like Clark in Gotham. And they were kinda poory done. The bullet sub-plot was not exciting at all. The "We the audience know but the characters don't is boring as hell".

It's all about that damn "Dark Knight" feel. Snyder is out of his element when it comes to Nolanism.

I fully understand why the cut some things. Avery movie has scenes that doesn't work. I fully understand why they put them back and created a spin. At least they made some more money and saved face.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

No man, it was confirmed by Mark Hughes, he asked that during the set visit.

It was ? Must've missed that one.

It just is. More things to complicate the motives and actions of characters and organizations. Some of the scenes felt out of place, like Clark in Gotham. And they were kinda poory done. The bullet sub-plot was not exciting at all. The "We the audience know but the characters don't is boring as hell".

It's all about that damn "Dark Knight" feel. Snyder is out of his element when it comes to Nolanism.

I fully understand why the cut some things. Avery movie has scenes that doesn't work. I fully understand why they put them back and created a spin. At least they made some more money and saved face.

 

[idiot09]

Yeah man it was confirmed.

And yeah the UC is miles better than the TC. Its more coherent, has much better editing and pacing, completes and fleshes out plotlines and ideas, and adds much needed character development. Also, it makes it a Superman movie.

 

[morningmimosa]

It just is. More things to complicate the motives and actions of characters and organizations. Some of the scenes felt out of place, like Clark in Gotham. And they were kinda poory done. The bullet sub-plot was not exciting at all. The "We the audience know but the characters don't is boring as hell".

It's all about that damn "Dark Knight" feel. Snyder is out of his element when it comes to Nolanism.

I fully understand why the cut some things. Avery movie has scenes that doesn't work. I fully understand why they put them back and created a spin. At least they made some more money and saved face.

lel, why did i even ask

 

[OutOfBoose]

Hmmm, what other comic book movie had a bullet subplot, only it didn't take half of the movie and was used in a more interesting way?...



[BLACKOUT]The Dark Knight.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Paradox1]

The UC is better film to me because it's better paced and edited. I always opposed the TC on it's a bases as a film. The TC to me was a lot of good scenes poorly put together into a film. Only the last hour of the TC was really worked for me as a cohesive story. I understand there was studio mandates to add certain scenes to set up future movies but everything JL could of been cut out of this one.

 

[Da-Scribe]

God, some of you guys just can't move on. So tired of the pissing contest between BvS and every other CBM.

Anyways, I feel like the Kryptonian motherbox will be the most significant to the plot. Why give a motherbox to a destroyed planet unless it's going to come into play in a major way? I'm sure it'll tie into the codex and may give Supes and Cyborg something to bond over, both of them being products of millennia old technology.

 

[misslane38]

Hmmm, what other comic book movie had a bullet subplot, only it didn't take half of the movie and was used in a more interesting way?...

I think it's silly to focus so much on the bullet as just a bullet. It's Lois's "in" to the truth behind the Nairomi incident, but the story surrounding the bullet is much more complex. What makes it complex is where it takes Lois, what it means to her as a character, and what it adds to the themes of the film. The bullet subplot is how Lois Lane copes with her feelings of powerlessness. She was used as a pawn in the desert, and her ignorance leaves her feeling guilty. Once Lois discovers the truth about the bullet, she also discovers why the government wants that truth hidden: it will cost them their jobs. The government, which is in the process of investigating Superman via Finch's committee, is complicit in making Superman a scapegoat. Lois's commitment to the truth as a means of coping with her own powerlessness in the desert as well as her guilt serves as a foil to Bruce and Lex whose response to their powerlessness is more externalized and violent.

[BLACKOUT]The Dark Knight.[/BLACKOUT]

I don't even remember the bullet subplot at all. I remember Bruce doing some ballistic tests to reconstruct a fingerprint, but that isn't a subplot. It's not even a story. There's nothing interesting about it. It's a shortcut way to move the plot from Point A to Point B.

 

[Benal]

Hmmm, what other comic book movie had a bullet subplot, only it didn't take half of the movie and was used in a more interesting way?...



[BLACKOUT]The Dark Knight.[/BLACKOUT]

Way more interesting. After this short compilation, you're going in not knowing what's gonna happen.

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In BvS it's all random and not going anywhere. The conclusion was.. Luis is a competent journalist (Been there done that???) Lex is behind everything and knows everything (Daaa???) Superman saves Luis after 2 seconds climex and he loves her (Been there done that???).

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In the Dark Knight though..

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[misslane38]

Anyways, I feel like the Kryptonian motherbox will be the most significant to the plot. Why give a motherbox to a destroyed planet unless it's going to come into play in a major way? I'm sure it'll tie into the codex and may give Supes and Cyborg something to bond over, both of them being products of millennia old technology.

I love New Gods mythology, so I'm psyched that motherboxes seem to be so integral to the DCCU. I don't think there have been any spoilers about this yet, but I would love to see some mentions or appearances of New Genesis, Highfather, Orion, Big Barda, or Mister Miracle. We're getting Steppenwolf and possibly Darkseid, but I wonder about Granny Goodness, the Furies, Desaad, and Godfrey.

 

[misslane38]

In BvS it's all random and not going anywhere. The conclusion was.. Luis is a competent journalist (Been there done that???) Lex is behind everything and knows everything (Daaa???) Superman saves Luis after 2 seconds climex and he loves her (Been there done that???).

I don't get this "been there done that" nonsense. Superman has been a hero before, does that mean it's not important to bring that character trait into stories about him? It's ludicrous logic. And the bullet story does go somewhere. It's what helps Lois prove that Lex rather than Superman is responsible for the Nairomi massacre. She makes that clear to Lex when he kidnaps her. The bullet subplot isn't to show us, the audience, that Lex is behind everything and knows everything. It is there to show how the world will come to know and understand the truth, and how that sort of knowledge is empowering.

 

[Benal]

I don't get this "been there done that" nonsense. Superman has been a hero before, does that mean it's not important to bring that character trait into stories about him? It's ludicrous logic.

Happened 3 times in BvS and couple of times in Man Of Steel. Yes, been there, done that.

And the bullet story does go somewhere. It's what helps Lois prove that Lex rather than Superman is responsible for the Nairomi massacre. She makes that clear to Lex when he kidnaps her. The bullet subplot isn't to show us, the audience, that Lex is behind everything and knows everything. It is there to show how the world will come to know and understand the truth, and how that sort of knowledge is empowering.

Batman knew about him. CIA knew about him. Everybody knew about him. It was anticlimatic and what you're saying wasn't put on screen. There was no closure to her arc or any meaning. Just stop.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

God, some of you guys just can't move on. So tired of the pissing contest between BvS and every other CBM.

Yes, exactly! Let it go....

 

[Greens]

God, some of you guys just can't move on.

The movie came out this year, and JL is pretty much a direct sequel to it. Not a shocker.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Happened 3 times in BvS and couple of times in Man Of Steel. Yes, been there, done that.



Batman knew about him. CIA knew about him. Everybody knew about him. It was anticlimatic and what you're saying wasn't put on screen. There was no closure to her arc or any meaning. Just stop.

but did Dr. Pavel know about him?

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I think it's silly to focus so much on the bullet as just a bullet. It's Lois's "in" to the truth behind the Nairomi incident, but the story surrounding the bullet is much more complex. What makes it complex is where it takes Lois, what it means to her as a character, and what it adds to the themes of the film. The bullet subplot is how Lois Lane copes with her feelings of powerlessness. She was used as a pawn in the desert, and her ignorance leaves her feeling guilty. Once Lois discovers the truth about the bullet, she also discovers why the government wants that truth hidden: it will cost them their jobs. The government, which is in the process of investigating Superman via Finch's committee, is complicit in making Superman a scapegoat. Lois's commitment to the truth as a means of coping with her own powerlessness in the desert as well as her guilt serves as a foil to Bruce and Lex whose response to their powerlessness is more externalized and violent.
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OMG someone who paid attention. How did u get in here.
I also find it strange when people say the UC is a Superman movie because I already thought the TC was a Superman movie that featured Batman.

And there was a bullet subplot in TDK? man I really erased that movie from my brain because I dont recall that.

 

[Paradox1]

There was no bullet subplot in TDK, a subplot correct me if I'm wrong is a secondary story that is developed throughout the movie.

 

[OutOfBoose]

There are subplots of the Batman investigating the Joker and Lois investigating Lex. Both feature a bullet stuck into something.

 

[misslane38]

Happened 3 times in BvS and couple of times in Man Of Steel. Yes, been there, done that.

Still not making any sense. You're seriously suggesting that a character's primary character trait need only be portrayed a few times before it is time to retire it completely? Ridiculous!

Batman knew about him. CIA knew about him. Everybody knew about him. It was anticlimatic and what you're saying wasn't put on screen. There was no closure to her arc or any meaning. Just stop.

Batman didn't know anything about Lex's involvement in Nairomi. The CIA knew about Lex and did nothing about it. That's the interesting part! Lois confirming she proved Lex was responsible was put on screen. Lex is in prison at the end of the film, and the only person who did any leg work to put him there was Lois Lane. She's the reason why we can accept that there was proof of his crimes.

 

[Paradox1]

There are subplots of the Batman investigating the Joker and Lois investigating Lex. Both feature a bullet stuck into something.

The bullet in TDK is something that happened in the course of Batman's investigation into the Joker's. I love that movie but it doesn't highlight Bruce's detective skills all that well. Since the Joker is a force of nature in that film.