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[KalvinEllis]

The Famuyiwa departure doesn't bother me. It's unfortunate they lost another director of course, but if he supposedly wanted to use The Flash to push social issues, then they made the right decision to part ways. It's the character's first live-action film, there's no need to touch on that. Give him some room to grow first. Make it what the character is about, a fun as well as personal journey of a regular guy using his powers for good.

 

[Boom]

As long as The Flash gets filming by the second half of 2017, then it could still meet an early 2019 release date. That's not terrible.

 

[K-Rayner05]

From the sounds of the Famuyiwa direction, i'm glad he left the flash.

 

[Neno_Kos]

From the sounds of the Famuyiwa direction, i'm glad he left the flash.

You still need to blame studio for hiring him in first place. Studio should have know what kind of movie they want to make and hire director according to that vision in guidlines of bigger universe (which they supposedly planned to do when they announced slate). You can't hire director and then act what do you want to do. There must be reason why you hired him for this specific movie.

They are reason why Flash is in situation where we dont know when is Flash scheduled to be released.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You still need to blame studio for hiring him in first place. Studio should have know what kind of movie they want to make and hire director according to that vision in guidlines of bigger universe (which they supposedly planned to do when they announced slate). You can't hire director and then act what do you want to do. There must be reason why you hired him for this specific movie.

They are reason why Flash is in situation where we dont know when is Flash scheduled to be released.

Stop it, you are being too reasonable.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

WB just doesn't know who to aim at with the Flash.

I say Flash should be for YA and Shazam! for kids and family.

I like what Snyder had to say about optimistic millenial Flash. Just let Ezra be the hipster he is in a modern/urban setting. Everything else falls into place.

 

[The Guard]

WB just doesn't know who to aim at with the Flash.

Based on what?

When has WB said anything about who they're aiming at with The Flash?

 

[Tra-El]

Based on what?

When has WB said anything about who they're aiming at with The Flash?

News is starting to slowly trickle out of the DCEU at force. I bet we'll get an announcement on who would be the director for Flash soon. You can just tell by the way these announcements are coming in.

 

[The Guard]

If they learnt the right lessons and made the necessary changes, then yes. Unfortunately, it seems they seem to putting most of the blame on the tone and lack of humour.

That's probably because, if you read the reviews, many of the critics had major issues with these elements of the film. These are arguably also the most common complaints from both fans and general audiences.

The main knocks on BVS across the board were tone, lack of humor, and a convoluted and somewhat incoherent plot.

It reminds me somewhat of the ASM franchise, where the first film was serious but didn't get the reception they wanted, so they went over-the-top with jokes in the second, thinking it was the answer to all their problems. Having a dark and serious tone is fine. The tone itself wasn't the problem, but rather the execution of it.

From what I remember, fans and general audiences alike clamored for more "fun" and "humor" in the Amazing Spider-Man franchise. Many fans threw fits over the more somber, serious tone of ASM. They wanted Spider-Man to be happy go lucky and cracking jokes more often.

It is one thing to make some changes, but that the changes they are making are so big shows how poor the planning was in the first place and how hastily the setting up of the DCEU has been.

What big changes are you referring to, exactly?

It's a bit disingenous to say that the set up of this universe, at this point, has really been all that hasty. What they've done is comparable to what Marvel did, both in terms of timeframe and number of projects released.

 

[Da-Scribe]

You still need to blame studio for hiring him in first place. Studio should have know what kind of movie they want to make and hire director according to that vision in guidlines of bigger universe (which they supposedly planned to do when they announced slate). You can't hire director and then act what do you want to do. There must be reason why you hired him for this specific movie.

They are reason why Flash is in situation where we dont know when is Flash scheduled to be released.

How do you know they didn't do that and Famuyiwa just didn't change direction? It could've gone down like you said. Maybe it didn't. We have no clue.

 

[The Guard]

News is starting to slowly trickle out of the DCEU at force. I bet we'll get an announcement on who would be the director for Flash soon. You can just tell by the way these announcements are coming in.

Right, but is BlueLantern talking about demographics, or the director WB should aim at?

And where has WB said anything about either of those?

 

[Tra-El]

It's a bit disingenous to say that the set up of this universe, at this point, has really been all that hasty. What they've done is comparable to what Marvel did, both in terms of timeframe and number of projects released.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with WB lining their ducks up in a row to gain control of their slate. If that means doing what they're currently doing, it's fine as long as they get the projects in the right place that positions themselves to succeed. This is how studio's work, not just WB or the DCEU. Remember, WB isn't Marvel studio's. WB has other divisions with other release dates. Just let it happen, Hypsters.

 

[The Guard]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with WB lining their ducks up in a row to gain control of their slate. If that means doing what they're currently doing, it's fine as long as they get the projects in the right place that positions themselves to succeed. This is how studio's work, not just WB or the DCEU. Remember, WB isn't Marvel studio's. WB has other divisions with other release dates. Just let it happen, Hypsters.

True. This idea that WB is rushing things, though...it clearly isn't, in any appreciable way. They've delayed The Flash to make sure they get it right, they've pushed back Justice League 2, etc.

It strikes me as a leftover complaint from the "WB has no plan" era of a few years ago. That's obviously not the case anymore. They have a plan, even if that plan is evolving, as all good business plans do.

 

[Flint Marko]

It's a bit disingenous to say that the set up of this universe, at this point, has really been all that hasty. What they've done is comparable to what Marvel did, both in terms of timeframe and number of projects released.

Marvel's first team-up event movie came after five films; DC's came after one, and it introduced us to five other superheroes.

But sure, the DCEU isn't hasty.

 

[Juan1193]

I'm curious to see who they get to direct The Flash. That's one announcement I'm looking forward to.

 

[Tra-El]

True. This idea that WB is rushing things, though...it clearly isn't, in any appreciable way. They've delayed The Flash to make sure they get it right, they've pushed back Justice League 2, etc.

It strikes me as a leftover complaint from the "WB has no plan" era of a few years ago. That's obviously not the case anymore. They have a plan, even if that plan is evolving, as all good business plans do.

IMHO, they probably have a pretty good idea as to where they plan to take the DCEU in terms of each installment that is greelit or currently in development. The tricky part could be placement of these films and how they all fit in terms of release dates. Once they have all that set, they'll start busting it out.

 

[kguillou]

Marvel's first team-up event movie came after five films; DC's came after one, and it introduced us to five other superheroes.

But sure, the DCEU isn't hasty.

But that isnt part of the DCEU's major complaints. I think most people were fine with how BvS juggled Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman.....its just they didnt like what they did with the characters when they were onscreen.

I think a much warmer Superman and a much less blood thirsty Batman wouldve brought much warmer reception from most people.

 

[TheRedWraith]

Marvel's first team-up event movie came after five films; DC's came after one, and it introduced us to five other superheroes.

But sure, the DCEU isn't hasty.

Intoduced, hah, at best they teased 3, and introduced 2 with them then saving the introduction of the other 3 for JL. also when JL hits it will have been after 4 films only one less than marvel, not really much of a difference; not that it matters as the way Marvel did it is not the only valid way to approach a shared universe.

 

[Tra-El]

Marvel's first team-up event movie came after five films; DC's came after one, and it introduced us to five other superheroes.

But sure, the DCEU isn't hasty.

Yeah, because I forgot Marvel's way is the only way. The cameo's in BvS was no different than Thor's Hammer breaking through to tell us he'll be involved in the next installments. So DC should wait 5 more films to team up the Justice League while Marvel would probably be on Avengers 6 by then? Fans are already splattering the toilet that Green Lantern hasn't been involved yet. Come on.

 

[Juan1193]

Marvel's first team-up event movie came after five films; DC's came after one, and it introduced us to five other superheroes.

Biut sure, the DCEU isn't hasty.

I wouldn't count Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg's blink and you'll miss it cameos as a full on team up movie. Cut them out and it takes nothing away from the plot of the film. That's not comparable to the Avengers! They were merely there to whet our appetites for the REAL team up

I know you'll bring up Diana so I'll just say Wonder Woman's role in BVS is comparable to Black Widow in Iron-Man 2.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

WB just doesn't know who to aim at with the Flash.

I say Flash should be for YA and Shazam! for kids and family.

I like what Snyder had to say about optimistic millenial Flash. Just let Ezra be the hipster he is in a modern/urban setting. Everything else falls into place.

Yeah, I kinda feel like it would be best if they just did Shazam in its own universe and not as a part of the JL DCEU, that way they could just gear it towards a fun family action film and it wouldn't feel out of place with the more serious, adult tone of the other DCEU films. But I don't think that's gonna happen

 

[Da-Scribe]

Marvel's first team-up event movie came after five films; DC's came after one, and it introduced us to five other superheroes.

But sure, the DCEU isn't hasty.

I wouldn't consider a cameo an introduction. Either way, I don't really care. Number of characters in a film isn't the issue. The problem is in the execution. Just depends on whether or not you dig it. I'm not saying this to open up a dialogue about what everyone though of the BvS email scene or anything. Just saying number of characters isn't an issue and doesn't make a studio hasty.

I wouldn't call Fox hasty for doing an X-Men film before solo films.

 

[TheRedWraith]

Yeah, I kinda feel like it would be best if they just did Shazam in its own universe and not as a part of the JL DCEU, that way they could just gear it towards a fun family action film and it wouldn't feel out of place with the more serious, adult tone of the other DCEU films. But I don't think that's gonna happen

Well the world is a multifaceted place so I see no problem with a lighthearted shazam film working in this universe.