Justice League: News and Speculation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 58

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[paulogonza]

http://ew.com/movies/2016/12/22/won.../?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

new picture of WW movie

 

[wnjcwjkk]

I wouldn't go as far to say Bruce gave up on himself. If anything, he banked on nothing but himself and himself only (outside of Alfred reeling in the last bit of Bruce's sanity and to a degree, Commissioner Gordon.) If he would have gave up on himself as an individual, then he would have failed his parents sense of justice. Wayne Enterprise's was handed over to him to keep their name alive and well but the real purpose was avenging their death and by doing so, Bruce fed into the dark cravings as The Batman and never looked back. Bringing in Robin and the others of his family fighting crime showed them that the belief in yourself is key and your actions matter and be damned what the outside world thinks of you.

Clark is different in that mindset. He fuels off of others opinion of him and questions his purpose to the world. Kal needs guidance and direction and value's the word of those closest to him to help him journey through his purpose and destiny. He questions his very existence and wants the world to accept him for who he is, whatever he is. Batman has an "Us against the world" mentality while Superman has a "We are the world" mentality. I just love that dysfunction between the two characters that make them so alike and vulnerable in their own ways.

Well said. I agree. I think they actually could have worked that fundamental difference into the conflict in BvS (or maybe had they expanded it into a two parter) in a way that drew more from Dark Knight Returns. When we first heard Batman was gonna be fighting Superman, people figured it was going to revolve around some ideological difference, which kinda factored in with Clark's investigation and skepticism of Batman, but overall wasn't focused on very heavily.


I think it's an interesting angle to explore how Superman fits into our complex, modern, globalized society. They could've had Superman, in his belief and faith in humanity, attempting a dialouge with society, speaking at Senate hearings and in front of the UN, attempting to work with the nation's governments, not as a political tool or war machine, not strictly for the US, but attempting to unify the nations, accepting parameters like some nations can say they don't want Superman crossing into their borders, but offering to help any nation in the event of a natural disaster or catastrophe. Of course, Luthor, through his political ties, tries to manipulate circumstances so that Superman is a political tool, fighting battles for the gain of the elite and powerful (if it were a two parter, they may even coukd include the Court Of Owls). Batman, the cynic and realist, butts heads with Superman saying you have to act outside of authority or you will always be used by men in powerful positions, eventually Superman is told to stop The Batman. And in the end, they both learn a valuable lesson, which leads Batman to form the Justice League, which acts on its own conscience, free from any political authority.





Also, and I'm sure this has been speculated and probably won't be the case, but what if the Superman that Batman saw in his Knightmare vision was actually the Cyborg version of Superman. Possibly, he returns early on in the new film, but Batman finds that Superman's body is still in his casket, and then we see the actual Superman, on a different plane of reality, struggling to come back to life.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

http://ew.com/movies/2016/12/22/won.../?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

new picture of WW movie

Oh thank god, something to get me out of that death spiral.

 

[KalvinEllis]

And you are back to being off my radar.

Apparently some people can't take it as well as they can dish it. Fair enough, just don't forget to smile more often!

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Apparently some people can't take it as well as they can dish it. Fair enough, just don't forget to smile more often!

I just love it when men tell me to smile. Thanks for the casual sexism.

 

[KalvinEllis]

I just love it when men tell me to smile. Thanks for the casual sexism.

I sincerely wasn't aware that telling someone to smile more often = sexism nowadays. Gosh, I'm so beyond out of touch.

 

[dhandler01]

Why dont you just leave her alone and not worry about what she thinks or does?

 

[Arachnerd]

So, um, did I miss anything relevant?

 

[Tra-El]

I think it's an interesting angle to explore how Superman fits into our complex, modern, globalized society. They could've had Superman, in his belief and faith in humanity, attempting a dialouge with society, speaking at Senate hearings and in front of the UN, attempting to work with the nation's governments, not as a political tool or war machine, not strictly for the US, but attempting to unify the nations, accepting parameters like some nations can say they don't want Superman crossing into their borders, but offering to help any nation in the event of a natural disaster or catastrophe. Of course, Luthor, through his political ties, tries to manipulate circumstances so that Superman is a political tool, fighting battles for the gain of the elite and powerful (if it were a two parter, they may even coukd include the Court Of Owls). Batman, the cynic and realist, butts heads with Superman saying you have to act outside of authority or you will always be used by men in powerful positions, eventually Superman is told to stop The Batman. And in the end, they both learn a valuable lesson, which leads Batman to form the Justice League, which acts on its own conscience, free from any political authority.

In the context of Batman v Superman, I think Superman was written in a way that didn't allow him to do those things purposely to give a broader acceptance to his death and the sacrifice he made in the midst of always being on the short end of the stick with basically all the manipulative views on him designed to take aim at his character. It would have been nice to have all those things, but in the grand scheme of things to come, Superman will have that much more to say now that he's literally hit rock bottom. A man's character isn't determined by his words or when he's on top, but by his actions by the response in standing back up when being knocked down. I hope we see THAT in the future Superman in the DCEU.

 

[steve4991]

So, um, did I miss anything relevant?

This is the Hype. The only thing relevant are the thread titles.

 

[Arachnerd]

This is the Hype. The only thing relevant are the thread titles.

I meant movie news wise, but that is true also.

 

[morningmimosa]

So, um, did I miss anything relevant?

Some online diva's antics, you lucky fellow.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Why dont you just leave her alone and not worry about what she thinks or does?

Okay... what really did I say that was so bad? I genuinely mean that question. The "fourth grader talk" reply from the past thread? If so, yeah, that was kind of cheap and I own up to it, but for the past few pages that's pretty much what the thread had become. Then I was accused of sexism(!) for making a suggestion that someone could've "smiled" more often. I mean I'm not an American and perhaps not the most politically correct individual out there, but I think that type of accusation is a bit too much.

 

[Tra-El]

Also, and I'm sure this has been speculated and probably won't be the case, but what if the Superman that Batman saw in his Knightmare vision was actually the Cyborg version of Superman. Possibly, he returns early on in the new film, but Batman finds that Superman's body is still in his casket, and then we see the actual Superman, on a different plane of reality, struggling to come back to life.

I'm curious to see where they've taken the Knightmare sequence. That scene remains one of those things that could carry Justice League all by itself regardless of how it was interpreted in Batman v Superman. It was meant to offer a double meaning and with the reviews and the so-called "course correction" I'm interested in knowing if they tweaked any of that vision and ended up going a different route. Of course, we may never know the answer to that question and they could stick to the originally scripted idea and change nothing, but the execution of that Knightmare sequence could really bolster the image of the DCEU going forward.

 

[Rorschach2012]

This picture is so awesome, never seen it before. I want all these heroes in the DCEU, but I would add Shazam and replace Elongated Man with Plastic Man and then it's perfect

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's so weird to me how some people here are seemingly against Superman speaking more in these movies. To be honest I think that certain people have that opinion only because they're trying at all costs to defend this version of the character and that they don't want to concede any problems with the characterization.

 

[Tra-El]

I meant movie news wise, but that is true also

New 'Wonder Woman' still with a few comments from Patty Jenkins:

http://ew.com/movies/2016/12/22/won.../?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

 

[Arachnerd]

It's so weird to me how some people here are seemingly against Superman speaking more in these movies. To be honest I think that certain people have that opinion only because they're trying at all costs to defend this version of the character and that they don't want to concede any problems with the characterization.

Wait, who's against Superman speaking more on here?

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Also with thr negative reviews for WW, there will be fan hate calling Patty a hack and that she doesn't understand WW.

 

[TripleJ]

It's so weird to me how some people here are seemingly against Superman speaking more in these movies. To be honest I think that certain people have that opinion only because they're trying at all costs to defend this version of the character and that they don't want to concede any problems with the characterization.

Action speaks louder than words, I guess?

I don't consider Superman as preachy and talkative - he has many speeches, sure. Even fewer that are actually good. But, the character is inspirational through his actions, rather than his words (IMO).

Of course, that doesn't mean he can't say anything...I do hope we get something in the future - With the League

And I don't think anyone's against him having speeches, as long as its good. People are just explaining why they think "no" speech was better, in the context of BvS (since Snyder was going for the low point in Superman's career).

 

[KalvinEllis]

This picture is so awesome, never seen it before. I want all these heroes in the DCEU, but I would add Shazam and replace Elongated Man with Plastic Man and then it's perfect

Well, what's really the difference, both Ralph and Eel are goofy ****ers. lol

 

[regwec]

I sincerely wasn't aware that telling someone to smile more often = sexism nowadays. Gosh, I'm so beyond out of touch.

Don't be so racist!

 

[Arachnerd]

I mean, as someone who likes the DCEU Superman and after BvS, I do want him to talk more.

But I don't think speeches are the only solution. Giving him more lines would be the place to start, at least.