Justice League questions

Batman the 6th said:
Weren't there more than 20 heroes in JLU?

Yes, in the JLU comic books - even bigger since they included Mary Marvel and others that they couldn't include in the series. I always found the JLU organizational structure is more a tribute to the Legion of Superheroes (since Timm did say that the League is a composite of different DC superhero group ideas) than anything.

In the mainstream comics, the league has had at most around 20-30 members active, usually split into different teams (JLAmerica, JLEurope,JLAntartica/JLA,Justice League: Elite). At the least, 6 or 7 (Detroit era/Morrison 7). There is no comic book equivalent to the actual JLU structure/members.

If you count the reserves that they can call in on a crisis, they'll outnumber the JLU.
 
Yeah, as the World War III arc of JLA showed, pretty much every superhero on Earth is a reserve member of the comic League.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
Uh, I don't think Batman and Superman helped found the JLA. I'm pretty sure it's still the post-CoIE roster (Black Canary, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Hal Jordan, and Barry Allen) with the addition of Wonder Woman post-IC.
Doesn't JLA #0 clearly show Batman and Superman talking about the formation of the League:huh: That's how I read it, that with the new post-IC timeline, the trinity formed the Justice League.:huh:
 
I don't know, I thought all of the stuff with the trinity talking about forming a League was from the present. I could be wrong, though. But I also remember reading an interview where DiDio or someone specifically said that Wonder Woman was now a JLA founder--nothing about Batman and Superman.
 
BTW Corp. I officially hate you. You keep getting me hooked on TV shows. Its all your fault that I've spent so much recently on Seasons of Venture Brothers, and Dead Like Me :cmad:
 
Green Lantern said:
BTW Corp. I officially hate you. You keep getting me hooked on TV shows. Its all your fault that I've spent so much recently on Seasons of Venture Brothers, and Dead Like Me :cmad:
Then my master plan is working. :p

Also, you should check out the British comedy series Green Wing.
 
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GAH! With your recomendation I prolly will now... :( I'm weak. Weak I tells ya
 
Anubis said:
(Bunch of pictures)
So, what, Superman and Batman decided to organize Barry, Hal, J'onn, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman into the JLA now? Jesus, that's lame.
 
I don't know, I think it's still kinda up in the air. I mean, if you recall, that pic has all the original founders, plus WW in the place of Black Canary. Now, going by what went down in JLA: Year one, the story could have gone exactly the same, with the exception of WW in place of BC. So, the invasion happened. And all the heros fought the apoxlyans or whatever their name was, and after it was over, this happened. They invited WW because she would be their in to the League. So, really, this scene could be seen in many different ways.
 
Eh. I still don't really see the need to change the League's origin in the first place. What does it matter that none of the trinity were founders? I don't get this idea that it somehow lessens their connection to the League or something. They still rose to be the top three within the League, and they're still at the forefront of pretty much everything. Plus, they'd technically be joining the founders anyway, given that they're the ones resurrecting the League now.
 
The artwork showing the heroes turning into trees seems to be the artwork from the original story written back in the early 60's
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
So, what, Superman and Batman decided to organize Barry, Hal, J'onn, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman into the JLA now? Jesus, that's lame.
Not organize, just join along with them. And I think that Black Canary is still a founding member.
 
I still don't see the point. I liked it better when Batman was suspicious of the League at first and Superman, although he appreciated what they were doing, just didn't consider himself a team guy. Basically, I don't think JLA: Year One needs changing.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
I still don't see the point. I liked it better when Batman was suspicious of the League at first and Superman, although he appreciated what they were doing, just didn't consider himself a team guy. Basically, I don't think JLA: Year One needs changing.

I like Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman being founding members of the Justice League along with Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, Orin, Black Canary, and the Martian Manhunter.
 
I agree with Hippie hunter. I'll check, but does Wikipedia list all of the members, the 60+? Or not. So, in Justice League Unlimited, they didn't bring in Black Canary....why? I know they had a black GL and 2 women to be more diverse. Also, I've never seen any other GL on TV, so I can't decide what GL I like the best. There were 4 right, Hal, John, Alan, and Alan's daughter whats her name. Also, I'm confused about COIE and IC. There are now 4 flashes: Barry Allen, Bart Allen, Wally West(JL and JLU) and Jay Garrick. I don't get how they all survived and are in the same continuity, yet only one other Superman lived, and then he died.
 
Batman the 6th said:
I agree with Hippie hunter. I'll check, but does Wikipedia list all of the members, the 60+? Or not. So, in Justice League Unlimited, they didn't bring in Black Canary....why? I know they had a black GL and 2 women to be more diverse. Also, I've never seen any other GL on TV, so I can't decide what GL I like the best. There were 4 right, Hal, John, Alan, and Alan's daughter whats her name. Also, I'm confused about COIE and IC. There are now 4 flashes: Barry Allen, Bart Allen, Wally West(JL and JLU) and Jay Garrick. I don't get how they all survived and are in the same continuity, yet only one other Superman lived, and then he died.

Well, you do know that BC was in like, quite a few important episodes during Justice League Unlimited right? She just wasn't apart of the original seven because, well, I guess they didn't want to use her. Same reason they didn't use Hal or Kyle (Who they had already shown in the DCAU in a Superman episode) It was up to the shows creator Bruce Timm, and he chose Hawkgirl and John. That's who he wanted to use. People have they're conspiracy theories about why these two were used, but Timm has always said he wanted to use them. (Well, John at least.)

As far as the Flash stuff. I don't see why you would be confused. It's pretty simple. The Flash is what you would call a Legacy character. The Mantel is carried over by others when the previous Flash dies, or retires or whatever. Before the Crisis, the Justice Society and the Justice League were on two separate Earths. Earth 1 and Earth 2. On E1 there was Barry Allan and on E2 there was Jay Garrett. Barry had a sidekick, Wally West: Kid Flash. Then the Crisis hit. Barry died saving the universe, and all the remaining worlds that weren't destroyed by the Anti Monitor were merged together so now Jay Garrett was considered the first Flash, (Which he always was.) then Barry took over as Flash, then Wally moved up to Flash after Barry's death. Before Barry died he had retired from crime fighting and lived in the Future for a short time. He had some kids. His son had a child named Bart Allen. Bart came to the present and started up his hero career as Impulse, then became Kid Flash, and now that Wally is retired, he is now the Flash.

So, that's Jay, Barry, Wally, then Bart. In that order. That is the Legacy of Flash. Also, don't worry about the cartoon because that has no bearing on the comics. Two separate things.
 
Batman the 6th said:
I agree with Hippie hunter. I'll check, but does Wikipedia list all of the members, the 60+? Or not. So, in Justice League Unlimited, they didn't bring in Black Canary....why? I know they had a black GL and 2 women to be more diverse. Also, I've never seen any other GL on TV, so I can't decide what GL I like the best. There were 4 right, Hal, John, Alan, and Alan's daughter whats her name. Also, I'm confused about COIE and IC. There are now 4 flashes: Barry Allen, Bart Allen, Wally West(JL and JLU) and Jay Garrick. I don't get how they all survived and are in the same continuity, yet only one other Superman lived, and then he died.

Black Canary was on JLU, she featured prominently in the series as Green Arrow's love interest (you see her at the end of the first episode of JLU, in fact).

As to the Flashes, the explanation is actually simpler than for the Lanterns. The first Flash, Jay Garrick, was active in World War II and was a founding member of the Justice Society of America. Thanks to the magic of Doctor Fate, Garrick and his wife age much slower than normal people. Garrick retired at the height of McCarthyism. Decades after Garrick came Barry Allen (Barry was the Flash on Superfriends, as well as the live action TV series). Barry's nephew, Wally West, inherited superspeed in an identical accident to the one that gave Barry his powers. Wally became the first Kid Flash, and he and Barry became stalwart protectors of Central City. Barry also helped found the Justice League of America. However, Barry's life took a turn for the worse when his mortal enemy, Professor Zoom (Eobard Thawne, a time traveler from the 30th century) discovered his secret identity. After Zoom tried killed Barry's wife, Allen killed Professor Zoom in a fit of rage. The Flash was then wanted for the murder of Professor Zoom, a storyline that ended with Barry traveling to the 30th century with his resurrected wife. There, Barry and Iris Allen had children. However, not even a different time could diminish Allen's sense of duty, and during the Crisis on Infinite Earths, it was Barry Allen who saved Earth by destroying the Anti-Matter Cannon of the Anti-Monitor. Tragically, Barry lost his life in the attempt when he traveled faster than light and was lost to another dimension.

Wally West became the Flash after Barry's death, assuming the mantle of his mentor. While Wally was the Flash, he met the young speedster Impulse (Bart Allen), Barry's grandson from the 30th century! After the events of the Infinite Crisis, Wally West was, just as Barry had been in the Crisis on Infinite Earths, pulled to another dimension, along with his wife Linda and their two children. Bart Allen, aged rapidly due to events in Infinite Crisis, is now the Flash of Central and Keystone cities, taking over for Jay Garrick.

So, while there's only one Superman, the title and mantle of the Flash is much more of a legacy.
 
The only thing that suggests that Batman and Superman aren't just joining an already existing League is Batman's line "When's the first meeting" which could just being referring to the first one him and Superman are going too. So it still seems possible that Flash, GL, MM, Auqaman, WW(and possibly BC) formed the League and then after teaming up with them, Superman and Batman decide to join as well. That's how I read the scene.
 
That's pretty much what I said. It's still rather vague. The only thing we know for sure is that WW is a founder now.
 
Meh.

And I still have at least two other things to say other than that.
 

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