WandaVision Kathryn Hahn, who will she play in WandaVision?

[Dark Raven]

Agatha Harkness in the comics looks as old as Aunt May in the comics. Did they do away with that image if that is who Agnes is? But is that even her true form or will she revert to an old woman? Her personality in this series is completely different to the comic version.

We can understand why they've made Aunt May younger in Spider-Man because the traditional version is more like his grandmother, but there's no reason they couldn't have had the older Agatha. It would've been their chance to have an older actress like Helen Mirren, Judi Dench or Meryl Streep in the MCU. But then maybe it would be too obvious who the character is with an older actress playing her.

 

[TheVileOne]

Agatha Harkness in the comics looks as old as Aunt May in the comics. Did they do away with that image if that is who Agnes is? But is that even her true form or will she revert to an old woman? Her personality in this series is completely different to the comic version.

We can understand why they've made Aunt May younger in Spider-Man because the traditional version is more like his grandmother, but there's no reason they couldn't have had the older Agatha. It would've been their chance to have an older actress like Helen Mirren, Judi Dench or Meryl Streep in the MCU. But then maybe it would be too obvious who the character is with an older actress playing her.

If Hahn is in fact Agatha Harkness, maybe they weren't so hung up on the character's age. Maybe the idea is the character is wiser and older than they actually look.

Keep in mind this is the same MCU that gave us old Hank Pym and Janet and erased their time as contemporary Avengers along with team founders. The current Wasp was introduced as a supervillain in MC2.

Also, The Ancient One was turned into a British woman rather than an ancient Tibetan wise man.

 

[pixen]

If she is Agatha, then maybe it’s a spell to make her look young. Especially if she is so old and powerful.... it’d make sense. If I was that powerful, I’d do the same with my witchcraft

 

[ernesth100]

I'm sure she's a villain regardless. That much is pretty obvious at this point.

 

[Zarex]

Agatha hasn't been a crone for a while in the comics. She appeared to be closer to middle aged in the Tom King's Vision solo series that was Feige's inspiration for the series. She was dead, but surprisingly less dessicated than classic Agatha. From what I have read it sounds like Feige and company really wanted to work with Katherine Hahn and were willing to be flexible.

 

[The Caped Knight]

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Well damn! Vindicated at long last. That song was pretty damn good ala Cruel De Ville Agnes has been playing the long game con from the start as Agatha Harkness and she killed Spark too♤ The B!+€h has too die!

 

[Dr. Evil]

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Well damn! Vindicated at long last. That song was pretty damn good ala Cruel De Ville Agnes has been playing the long game con from the start as Agatha Harkness and she killed Spark too♤ The B!+€h has too die!

I think someone else is going to be in play:

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and the actor's name is Chiwetel Ejiofor

 

[Silvermoth]

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I just adored that song. I can’t wait to blame all my life problems by singing “it was Agnes all along

 

[AvengerPA]

How do you feel about Agatha now that she has killed Sparky?

 

[Fosterson]

I think someone else is going to be in play:

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and the actor's name is Chiwetel Ejiofor

I agree. Also, is it just me or does

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the book in Agatha's basement look suspiciously similar to the ones in Kamar Taj? Maybe Mordo stole it and gave it to Agatha?

 

[Zarex]

I don't think she killed that adorable little pooch.. I think that both Sparky and Mr. Scratchy are Agatha's shape shifting familiar, Ebony.

 

[The Overlord]

Agatha Harkness in the comics looks as old as Aunt May in the comics. Did they do away with that image if that is who Agnes is? But is that even her true form or will she revert to an old woman? Her personality in this series is completely different to the comic version.

We can understand why they've made Aunt May younger in Spider-Man because the traditional version is more like his grandmother, but there's no reason they couldn't have had the older Agatha. It would've been their chance to have an older actress like Helen Mirren, Judi Dench or Meryl Streep in the MCU. But then maybe it would be too obvious who the character is with an older actress playing her.

Ultimate Agatha Harkness is really young, so not every version of the character looks 85.

I think with more obscure characters, especially villains, the writers usually take more liberties with, making Agatha middle aged rather than super old is fine, IMO, it had it harder to guess who Agnes is.

 

[metaphysician]

Ultimate Agatha Harkness is really young, so not version of the character looks 85.

I think more obscure characters, especially villains, the writers usually take more liberties with, making Agatha middle aged rather than super old is fine, IMO, it had it harder to guess who Agnes is.

Note that in 616, Agatha is way older than just 85, so her looking that way is a creative choice rather than some logical setting necessity. And that isn't even touching the whole "Aunt May is bizarrely ancient" issue, which suggests that characters created in the 60s and 70s looking extremely elderly doesn't necessarily mean what it seems like it means to the modern eye.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I don't think she killed that adorable little pooch.. I think that both Sparky and Mr. Scratchy are Agatha's shape shifting familiar, Ebony.

I mean, the dog theoretically was never real in the first place so it's hard to say she killed him.

 

[samsnee]

So I’ve been watching Mrs Fletcher on HBO. It’s definitely made me see her in a new light

 

[Neno_Kos]

So I’ve been watching Mrs Fletcher on HBO. It’s definitely made me see her in a new light

Damn I didnt even realize that's her. And I watched that show lol

 

[Dark Raven]

Kathryn lends her vocals also to the new song in the latest episode.

 

[samsnee]

Damn I didnt even realize that's her. And I watched that show lol

She’s so great in it and different than most of her other recent roles

 

[The Caped Knight]

Disney just flat out released this . The song is currently trending on Twitter

 

[TheVileOne]

That was a great reveal last episode. I'm happy.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah...


I think this reveal which the hardcore fans knew from the jump was underwhelming not least of which is that it felt like they ONLY did it to do the "kooky" nostalgia pastiche intro thingie. Which... Very much sums up so far to me about why this is such a dull and forgettable show and story they are telling.

They just wanted to do a hack "nostalgia" show with MCU characters and after the high concept pitch basically reverse engineered the story to fit that regardless of any other factors, not least of which is being actually entertaining, engaging or doing something with the characters and situation.


There is the form of things in the world of filmed entertainment but it is ultimately vapid and empty.

This is in my opinion the inevitable result of so many, creators and fans, uncritically embracing "kitsch/camp/humor" as a crutch, or for all intents and purposes the thing that practically justifies its own existence in any/every story "just cause".


"Wouldn't it be fun/ funny if Agatha has a kitschy 60's style Munsters intro sequence?"

Which... Of course that on paper is fun. But in light of 4 hours of such empty "camp/kitsch/nostalgia" just points out that just because something is supposed to be fun, funny or campy doesn't make it so, especially if the writing isn't even trying to be better than mediocre sitcom level and not give any breathing room for anything else. And the limits of this approach are laid bare here because when the crutch is overused it doesn't end up helping, it instead hobbles because there has been no development of the other muscle groups as it were. More time and effort was put into the idea and execution of Agatha's intro than was put into writing, plots, characterization, relationships or anything that would have been truly engaging or interesting. Perhaps worse, have your apparently state mandated "Camp/nostalgia" but for the love of all that is holy... Can it actually be funny material? Wanda hiding from a stork for five minutes isn't funny. Vision acting goofy because he swallowed gum isn't funny. Darcy and Vision wasting time at an intersection in the middle of nowhere isn't funny (It is also incredibly stupid. Vision has his powers. We have seen him fly. There is zero reason for him and Darcy to have stolen a truck and then waited at an intersection like two ****ing idiots OTHER than ya' just had to show the audience the "hilarity" of two characters waiting in a truck only for one to suddenly remember "Oh that's right... I can fly. We could have in this emergency situation been where we need to be five minutes ago." ) and so I am honestly not left with a lot to make me give a crap about.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah...


I think this reveal which the ha D.C. ire fans knew from the jump was underwhelming not least of which is that it felt like they ONLY did it to do the "kooky" nostalgia pastiche intro thingie. Which... Sums this all up so far to me about why this is such a dull show.

What are ha D.C. ire fans?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

What are ha D.C. ire fans?

Autocorrect or some new social movements. You decide?

*fixed and expanded points above.

 

[TheVileOne]

Autocorrect or some new social movements. You decide?

*fixed and expanded points above.

The point you were trying to make about DC fans was totally lost on me. I didn't understand.

 

[TheVileOne]

Respectfully, KRYPTON Inc. I don't really agree with most of your comments.

I understand how you feel, and you're entitled to your opinion. As for why certain things are happening inside the Hex bubble, I believe it's because the Hex bubble is re-writing reality and manipulating people's minds and re-writing their behavior.

I said after the first few episodes or so, a lot of the humor is just a facade hiding something sinister and dark. Case in point, when Vision pulled his co-worker out of his Hex-induced stupor, he was horrified. Vision himself was horrified when he confronted Wanda by the lack of his memories.

The way I view the cliche, campy, kitschy sitcom humor is the characters being forced to engage in this odd weird magical theater Wanda has brought about.

Wanda is trying to live the life she thinks she wants. Vision knows this is wrong. He can feel it. Look when he got to the outskirts of town, people were stuck and nearly frozen in place. I found that very creepy, unsettling, and disturbing. You could see one townsperson was crying and in pain that they were stuck in this routine. It's like they were NPCs loaded in a video game map waiting for the players to show up so they can move and talk again.

When Wanda walked out of the Hex bubble and confronted SWORD, there was no kitsch or campiness there. She gave them a stern warning and showed them that they had no power over her. There was no kidding or joking around.

When Vision left the Hex, he nearly disintegrated and died again. He was ready to sacrifice himself all in the name of helping the people of Westview who have been caught in the hex.

As for why Vision and Darcy were stuck in the truck, it's once again the influence of the Hex trying to affect their behavior. We already know the Hex doesn't just rewrite physical reality, it rewrites your memories as well. It's trying to force them into those goofy sitcom testimonials.

And usually when you see the sitcom veneer gets broken, it's very off, creepy, and unsettling.