The Amazing Spider-Man Keep the ORGANICS or WEB SHOOTERS???!!!!

[Chris Wallace]

So because of this, you think it's alright to just change everything that makes Spider-Man great and known to his fanbase. Unlike those changes you named for Iron Man and Batman, their characters that make them who they are are kept intact, Spider-Man isn't.

So it's okay because the general audience doesn't care and that they make or break a film--that we all should just lie down and shut up. Not going to happen, not when we see Spider-Man being changed to the point where he's no longer Spider-Man. I don't even know what the hell I was watching on screen for 8 years, all I kept saying was, "where the hell is Spider-Man?"

Wow. Did I say that? I don't happen to think that this gadget-nor the technical savvy that went into its creation-is the thing that made Spidey's fanbase fall in love with him. If it were, then many other incarnations/storylines-the 70's TV show, for example, would have been more enjoyable & well-received. But it wasn't that. It was his relatability factor, which is what Raimi's movies moreso focused on. I could see how the inclusion of this gadget would detract from that.
Don't get me wrong; when I first heard about the organic webbing i was just as outraged as you & many others on these boards. I signed petitions, I ranted & raved, and eventually realized it didn't hurt anything. I wasn't watching the movie thinking, "Oh, God-how can they have him spinning natural webs?"
Funny, though, how you don't seem to think that the loss of Batman's technical knowhow & expertise-him having to go to Fox for everything instead of being able to make it himself-ruined those movies. Nor do you seem to be bothered by the absence of his detective factor. But for Spider-Man to have evolved into being truly able to "do whatever a spider can"-blasphemy.
Huh.
I remember I was watching the first movie with my family, & I commented on the organics controversy. I quickly realized that not only was I the only person in the room who knew about the mechanical webshooters-I was the only one who cared. My aunt made it sound really stupid.
"So if he can't make them naturally, where do they come from? The suit?"
I then explained in detail what the webshooter was & how it worked.
"So they come from the suit."
I tried once more to expand on her oversimplification.
"So you're saying, the webs come from the suit."
From the suit. Like it could be argued that Batman's grapple lines or smokebombs come from his suit. Like Iron Man's repulsor rays. That is how the mechanical webshooter sounds to the uninitiated.

 

[Rincewind]

Probably everything that has to be said is already been said. But with that in mind...

This is a question between faithfulness to the comics and common sense.

The mechanical web shooters are a bit of a stretch as far as believability goes. Even top scientists with huge resourses and awesome equipment can't create a material quite like the spider's web. Peter Parker, smart as he is, would be just a high school kid with limited money supply. It would require a huge suspension of disbelief for me to accept that he could create something like this on a regular basis in his basement. Perhaps a company like OsCorp could develop such a material, that's not that much of a stretch; but a smart kid with no money and no equipment? No. Even if he had the know-how, he still will have a hard time finding the materials and mixing them together on a regular almost daily basis.
One possible solution would be to go Ultimate and make the artificial webbing be some sort of experimental invention of his father. And so Peter wouldn't need to make something out of nothing, the groundwork can already be laid out and it would be a bit more plausible.

As for the organic webbing, to me it makes much more sense. It's the most typical ability of the spiders and I've always found it odd that a spider mutate like Peter doesn't have it. Besides, it doesn't require any more suspension of disbelief than the rest of his superhuman abilities, especially the wall-crawling.
But, on the downside, it's not faithful to the comics and, even worse, has already been used in the Raimi movies. So I doubt that we will see it in the reboot.

Overall, I think that it would be better for the new movie to go with mechanical web shooters. It would be faithful to the comics and would distance the movie from the Raimi trilogy. The big problem (for me, at least) would be to find a way to make it believable that a high-school kid with a (very) limited budget and no lab equipment could create something like this.

 

[Chris Wallace]

He isnt super poor, but im sure the materials would cost quite a bit. Not to mention all the money he had to put into developing the fluid, but I dont think that we need to worry too much about it, its just a movie after all.

And it would be strange that while he's struggling to pay bills, he has side money to replenish his arsenal.

 

[Dragon]

The mechanical web shooters are a bit of a stretch as far as believability goes.

Okay, now list the things about SPIDER-MAN that aren't a stretch. You either accept them or you don't. But apparently Spidey's success for nearly 50 years says most folks have been cool with the mechs. Until Cameron decided on organics, not a single person cared enough to drop the character, so let him be who he is; A guy that built webshooters reflecting his drive and cleverness.

 

[Dragon]

And it would be strange that while he's struggling to pay bills, he has side money to replenish his arsenal.

Well, considering that that arsenal has saved both his life and those of countless others hundreds of times, i'd say the expense is worth it.

And who's to say how expensive the chamicals are? The chemcials that make up the human body are like under a hundred bucks.

 

[Dangerous]

Dragon is right.

Plus if any of you pro organics crowd want the definitive and comprehensive explanation why mechs are the best option, see my posts on pages 12-13 of this thread.

 

[The Squirrel]

Even if they just had them as maybe something his father had built for the military before he died, and Peter just discovers them, that would be better than not having them.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That seems a little strange, that Peter's dad would just happen to have been working on a synthetic polymer adhesive that would mimic the properties of spider silk.

 

[The Squirrel]

I'm just saying, if you think the GA is going to have a hard time believing a 16 yr old kid could build web shooters. Having it be something his Scientist Father could have been working on before he died (for whatever reason) and Peter is able to finish it using his father's notes, is good alternative.

 

[Dragon]

That seems a little strange, that Peter's dad would just happen to have been working on a synthetic polymer adhesive that would mimic the properties of spider silk.

I don't think the father aspect is needed. But even if it were used, let's remember that fate and destiny are integral parts of the Spider-Man story.

 

[The Squirrel]

I don't think the father aspect is needed. But even if it were used, let's remember that fate and destiny are integral parts of the Spider-Man story.

It isn't needed, but then, I don't have a problem with a teenager figuring out how to build web shooters.

 

[Spectacular23]

I'm just saying, if you think the GA is going to have a hard time believing a 16 yr old kid could build web shooters. Having it be something his Scientist Father could have been working on before he died (for whatever reason) and Peter is able to finish it using his father's notes.

I actually thought this was a good idea. Since almost everybody on the forum complaining about the impossibility of a 15-16yrs old building a simple advice that expels adhesive "Web fluid", then yeah he should use his father notes and stuff he got from his dad. Although this is a bit from the ultimate route i still think it would make a good idea.

 

[Dragon]

It isn't needed, but then, I don't have a problem with a teenager figuring out how to build web shooters.

Same here.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I actually thought this was a good idea. Since almost everybody on the forum complaining about the impossibility of a 15-16yrs old building a simple advice that expels adhesive "Web fluid", then yeah he should use his father notes and stuff he got from his dad. Although this is a bit from the ultimate route i still think it would make a good idea.

Not sure why you'd refer to the device as "simple", in light of the fact that 40+ years after the concept was introduced, modern science still hasn't come up with a way to actually create it. And I would personally like the "Ultimate" references kept to a minimum.
I want to go on record, though, saying that I am in no way "anti-mechs"; I would prefer they stick to the organic (no pun intended) but I'm not gonna cry shenanigans if they don't, provided that 1-the webbing looks good (that's important; I don't want it actually looking like silly string; ever notice that a lot of times, in the comics the webbing had a purple-"ish" hue to it?) and 2-no big, bulky bracelets. That I would definitely have a problem with. Now how many on the "pro-mechs" side can say that they won't want Webb tarred & feathered if he stuck to organic, hmm?

 

[SpeterMan3]

Well, I can say it.

 

[Infinity9999x]

As someone who's fine with either option, I have to say that anyone who argues that webshooters aren't "realistic" as a reason to not use them isn't thinking things through all that well.

Spider-man is about a boy with Spider-like powers who jumps around in bright red and blue tights and fights man-lizards, people who can shoot lighting out of their fists, and men who wear alien costumes.

I doubt the general public is going to balk at the idea that a low-level genius boy could invent a web-spinning device.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Who raised the argument of the webshooters themselves being unrealistic, as compared with the context of the movie?
I wonder what fans would be saying if it was reversed; him having organics in the comics & them switching to mechs for the movie.

 

[The Squirrel]

Now how many on the "pro-mechs" side can say that they won't want Webb tarred & feathered if he stuck to organic, hmm?

I can. I'm not going to 'cry havok and let loose the dogs of war' just because I don't get web-shooters in this movie.

But I will stick to my opinion that organic webs are creepy and gross.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Fair enough.

 

[Dragon]

The very fact that we've all supported the films featuring the organics says we can live with them.

 

[kedrell]

Of course we can live with them. I actually would prefer Webb to stick with organics as it will allow a much more clear line to distinguish the eventual Marvel-made Spidey movies from the Sony ones. When Marvel gets the rights back though, I want mechs all the way. I always prefered mechs to organics as it allows yet another level of difficulties for Peter.

 

[Golgo-13]

It's been a while since i've watched the Raimi trilogy; has there ever been a mention to Spidey's webs being bio-degradable in that they dissolved after an hour or so? I can't remember if that was even bought up in the movies, but that's always an element that i liked about the webbing...mech ones that is...

 

[Chris Wallace]

They never said anything either way in the movies; there was a reference in the Spider-Man 2 novelization, where MJ noticed his webbing starting to break down & thought about the fact that there had been no reports of webbing cluttering the city's cornices. But I don't think it's truly necessary to mention it in film at all. Who cares?

 

[Rincewind]

Okay, now list the things about SPIDER-MAN that aren't a stretch.

Well, the superhuman abilties, if that's what you're referring to, aren't really a stretch to me, because they're just a vital part of the setting and the characters. What I mean is, yes, they are utterly impossible, but they are just an inseparable part of the comic book world.
It would be a stretch for me if a smart kid with little money and virtually no lab equipment invented an impossibly complicated device out of nothing because, well, just because. It's not really a complicated reason. I would gladly accept non-organic web shooters if they go Ultimate and have the groundwork for the whole thing be done and ready beforehand. Sure, it may dimish Peter's genius, but then again, a genius is not a wizard; he would need something to work with.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Well, the superhuman abilties, if that's what you're referring to, aren't really a stretch to me, because they're just a vital part of the setting and the characters. What I mean is, yes, they are utterly impossible, but they are just an inseparable part of the comic book world.
It would be a stretch for me if a smart kid with little money and virtually no lab equipment invented an impossibly complicated device out of nothing because, well, just because. It's not really a complicated reason. I would gladly accept non-organic web shooters if they go Ultimate and have the groundwork for the whole thing be done and ready beforehand. Sure, it may dimish Peter's genius, but then again, a genius is not a wizard; he would need something to work with.

Somewhat O/T, but your last sentence calls to mind something I have always hated about the first Superman movie; how the hell did Lex discover Kryptonite without any sort of research or point of reference?
I could even buy the idea that Peter was toying with an invention along those lines BEFORE getting bitten, so it would seem less of a convenient coincidence. I remember in the 90's series he surmised that the spider basically passed along an instinctive knowledge of what chemicals would be needed to make the webbing, which makes about as much sense as the plot of the Street Fighter movie.