Key Witness to WTC7 9/11 Mysteriously Dies

[TNC9852002]

Interesting nonetheless...

I know that Obama is for re-opening the 9/11 investigation, but I'm sure nothing will come of it. Most Americans believe that the government is withholding or lying to us about what went down on 9/11 and 7/7 and now, I'm at the point where I don't WANT them to tell us that they did.

I just want to know how and who was really involved.

If this is as big as they say it is, this'll be one of those secrets that will be taken to the grave of human civilization for the uncovering behind all this could be socially and economically catastrophic.

Take from this what you will.

-TNC

 

[Rando]

I am of the group that believes the government did it.

There is way to much evidence against them.

my 2 cents.

 

[Rando]

dub post

 

[The Senator]

You know, it always surprises me when people come out with these "theories" about what happened on 9/11.

I think it is pretty obvious: Nineteen hijackers took hostage of four planes, two of which went into the World Trade Center, one into the Pentagon, and the other into a field in rural Pennsylvania.

I mean, what more do you need? These events were captured on LIVE television. They were captured on closed-circuit security cameras. They happened as we saw it.

But, hey, nevermind what we saw. Let's believe a handful of crackpots who believe it is some sort of international conspiracy. Let's ignore what architectural experts have said about the fact that a plane filled with jet fuel could physically melt the support beams in both towers, especially at the impact at which both planes hit those buildings. Yeah, let's ignore what they say and instead listen to radical, leftist physicists and theorists who want to do whatever possible to disgrace the United States government. People who already have an agenda and are willing to pull some of the most absurd, crackpot theories out of their asses to "expose" the United States government.

"A bomb actually went off at the Pentagon!" [false; I know an ultra-liberal who SAW the plane hit the Pentagon]

"The government used holographic imagery to show planes crashing into the Twin Towers" [does that even merit an explanation as to how cuckoo that sounds?]

"A janitor heard popping noises before the planes hit, that must mean a bomb went off!" [yeah, because nameless janitors are credible sources these days]

And now this guy? I don't believe a damn thing he says, regardless of what his official title is. We SAW these buildings collapse; in fact, I remember watching as WTC7 collapsed on national television and I didn't see any explosions; if an explosion occurred, wouldn't we have seen windows explode and fire at some point? No; the building imploded on itself, like every other building in the area which was affected by the fall of the Twin Towers.

Come on, guys, stop buying into ridiculous conspiracy theories. I would like to think you are better than that... but after this, I am hesitant to say so.

 

[millennium movies]

It's easy to blow a building to the ground and make it seem like it collapsed like all the others, i think that was the point, to make it look as if it was part of the attacks. ^

 

[Rando]

Come on, guys, stop buying into ridiculous conspiracy theories. I would like to think you are better than that... but after this, I am hesitant to say so.

I don't doubt that planes hit them... but how in the hell did the third tower come down then, sir?

 

[The Senator]

It's easy to blow a building to the ground and make it seem like it collapsed like all the others, i think that was the point, to make it look as if it was part of the attacks. ^

Yeah, right, because George W. Bush is smart enough to plan such a well-thought out, dynamic terrorist attack while cover it up with a fake terrorist attack.

Oh, no-- I'm wrong. Forgive me.

The Big, Bad U.S. government attacked us! Not the extremists! It's not like Osama bin Laden wanted to attack us at all! It's not like he carried out other terrorist attacks and actually took responsibilities for his actions!

What next? Bin Laden is an actor? Those terrorists were fake? 3,500 people didn't lose their lives on 9/11?

Please, stop buying into these stupid conspiracy theories. I would like to think that we as a people have advanced far enough to not believe crackpots who have pre-existing agendas against the United States government... but alas, I am being proven wrong more and more each day.

 

[TNC9852002]

And now this guy? I don't believe a damn thing he says, regardless of what his official title is. We SAW these buildings collapse; in fact, I remember watching as WTC7 collapsed on national television and I didn't see any explosions; if an explosion occurred, wouldn't we have seen windows explode and fire at some point? No; the building imploded on itself, like every other building in the area which was affected by the fall of the Twin Towers.

Well, an explosion is an explosion. Why do you think it had to have been within the view of a TV camera look on the outside from hundreds of feet away in order for it to happen? An explosion isn't real unless you see windows and fire blowing out from the outside? The WTC7 is a very large building.

First you say that a janitor isn't credible...for....unspecified reasons, and now you won't even believe THIS guy at all?

All in all, from your post, I'm not sure if you're making much more sense than the people that you're trying to disprove.

-TNC

 

[The Senator]

I don't doubt that planes hit them... but how in the hell did the third tower come down then, sir?

an initial failure in a critical column occurred below the 13th floor, caused by damage from fire and/or debris from the collapse of the two main towers. The collapse progressed vertically up to the east mechanical penthouse. The interior structure was unable to handle the redistributed load, resulting in horizontal progression of the failure across lower floors, particularly the 5th to 7th floors. This resulted in "a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.

On August 21, 2008, NIST released its draft report on the causes of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center, beginning a period for public comments.[32] In its investigation, NIST utilized ANSYS to model events leading up to collapse initiation and LS-DYNA models to simulate the global response to the initiating events.[44] NIST determined that diesel fuel did not play an important role, nor did the structural damage from the collapse of the twin towers. But the lack of water to fight the fire was an important factor. The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, including on floor 13, where a critical interior column buckled. With the buckling of that column, adjacent columns also failed along with the floor structure above. This triggered a vertical progression of floor failures to the roof. The collapse then progressed east-to-west across the structure, and ultimately the entire structure collapsed. The fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse

It's called physics... you should look into it.

 

[Rando]

well sorrrrryyyy.

I've seen pictures of the girders after the bulidings were brought down (and crackpot that i am), they strongly resemble how girders look in purposely demolished buildings.

I am not saying by any means that osama had nothing to do with it. I am saying that the U.S. government had a plan to do this in order to get into Iraq or where ever the hell our soliders are.

Hell! You Gave Al-Quiqwueiusdfb weapons! What about that!

Yes, i know planes hit the buildings, I don't deny that.
I just look deeper than the basic facts. You do too, obviously.

 

[The Senator]

Well, an explosion is an explosion. Why do you think it had to have been within the view of a TV camera look on the outside from hundreds of feet away in order for it to happen? An explosion isn't real unless you see windows and fire blowing out from the outside? The WTC7 is a very large building.

First you say that a janitor isn't credible for....an ungiven reason and now you won't even believe THIS guy?

All in all, from your post, I don't know if you're making much more sense than the people that you're trying to disprove.

-TNC

The janitor isn't credible because he is a JANITOR. Do you not understand that?

There were DOZENS, if not HUNDREDS, of other witnesses who were INSIDE of the World Trade Center who do not have similar stories to this man. They all relay the same story, that they heard ONE loud explosion, and later learned that a plane had hit the buildings.

Not to mention the physicists and architects who have done their own investigations and can VERIFY that it was indeed possible, and most likely, that the Twin Towers collapsed because the jet fuel, upon impact, was so hot it melted the support beams in the building.

So, I take the reports of the SURVIVORS of the attacks, as well as the numerous EXPERTS who have researched what happened that day, over the words of some janitor, a few ultra-left wingnuts with pre-existing agendas against the U.S. government, and ONE man who for all we know could be making this **** up to bolster his own reputation.

Not to mention, it isn't physically impossible for the WTC7 site to collapse the way it did, as highlighted in my above post.

So, what next? What else has the U.S. government concocted to drive fear into our hearts? Are we not really fighting in Iraq? Is it just one big movie, being filmed by a government-hired film crew and cheap actors in military garb?

Did we fake the moon landing?

Is there a hangar in Nevada filled with alien corpses and flying saucers?

Did Ronald Reagan invent AIDS to kill all the homosexuals?

 

[The Senator]

well sorrrrryyyy.

I've seen pictures of the girders after the bulidings were brought down (and crackpot that i am), they strongly resemble how girders look in purposely demolished buildings.

I am not saying by any means that osama had nothing to do with it. I am saying that the U.S. government had a plan to do this in order to get into Iraq or where ever the hell our soliders are.

Hell! You Gave Al-Quiqwueiusdfb weapons! What about that!

Yes, i know planes hit the buildings, I don't deny that.
I just look deeper than the basic facts. You do too, obviously.

And you're a physicist? Have you been hired by an independent contracting group to actually do a study on the WTC7 site, to discover what really went down?

I mean, you have-- -- seen pictures?

Well color me impressed, because it's not like any of us can't do a Google image search on the topic and come to our own conclusions.

"Hey, on first glance, it looks like a giant radioactive monster destroyed the WTC7 site!"

"You know, I wonder if the Stay-puft Marshmallow Man was roaming around the WTC and caused that building to fall down..."

"There was a massive earthquake which destroyed the WTC7! I don't have any proof of it, but I know it happened!"

Come on... where's your proof that this happened? Where's your undeniable, solid evidence that the World Trace Center was bombed by the federal government so it could invade Iraq [which is stupid, considering if we did bomb the WTC, then wouldn't we say the Iraqi government did it from the very beginning instead of blaming it on Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan? ]

You people really need to stop believing every crackpot theory you read.

 

[Rando]

yup, i fully believe the staypuft marshmellow man destroyed it.

what about the fact that the steel was melted and burned for as long as it did? Lots of folk have said that that just doesn't make a lick of sense.

why did the government take the one piece of footage from the gas station that would have shown the plane crashing into the pentagon?

why were there plane pieces outside of the pentagon that didn't correspond with the plane that "hit" said pentagon?

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I don't know if the government planned the 9/11 attacks. But I do believe that they know more than what they're telling.

 

[The Senator]

what about the fact that the steel was melted and burned for as long as it did? Lots of folk have said that that just doesn't make a lick of sense.

Again, are you a physicist? Because there are other physicists who say that it is perfectly plausible for a fire to not only burn as long as it did, but keep the same intensity for some time after the initial impact.

why did the government take the one piece of footage from the gas station that would have shown the plane crashing into the pentagon?

why were there plane pieces outside of the pentagon that didn't correspond with the plane that "hit" said pentagon?

Do you have this so-called footage? Do you even KNOW it exists? How do you know that one of those crackpot conspiracy theorists didn't just make up the "missing gas station footage" to play into the spooooooky government conspiracy they made up?

Again, unless you have a video which PROVES that a bomb went off at the Pentagon, you have no merit to your argument. There are HUNDREDS of witnesses who were inside the Pentagon at the time the plane crashed into the building, plus DOZENS of witnesses [including someone I know personally] who SAW a plane hit the building. I trust their stories more than I trust the stories of some computer geek radical who has locked himself inside his parents' basement and spends all of his time hunched over his computer making up mindless dribble about the U.S. government.

 

[Rando]

Again, unless you have a video which PROVES that a bomb went off at the Pentagon, you have no merit to your argument. There are HUNDREDS of witnesses who were inside the Pentagon at the time the plane crashed into the building, plus DOZENS of witnesses [including someone I know personally] who SAW a plane hit the building.

and it is impossible for the government to lie. they are our infallible leaders...

oh, nope. no weapons of mass destruction.

 

[Galactus]

So tired of people seeking for conspiracies everywhere. Real life isn't like some bad plot-driven thriller-novel or Hollywood-movie

 

[The Battousai]

and it is impossible for the government to lie. they are our infallible leaders...

oh, nope. no weapons of mass destruction.

How many people died in the Pentagon crash?

125.


Apparently, they didn't mind being killed by their government employers' conspiracy.

 

[JLBats]

I guess all the really fervent defenders of this theory have been banned from the board.

 

[The Senator]

and it is impossible for the government to lie. they are our infallible leaders...

oh, nope. no weapons of mass destruction.

Oh please.

Do not tell me what I believe in.

Obviously, the government lies all of the time.

BUT, why the hell would they lie about something on this grand of a scale? Why would they go out of their way to blow up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, make thousands of people magically disappear, make the hijackers of Saudi descent, blame Al Qaeda for the attacks, and invade Afghanistan, JUST so they could invade Iraq?

Is that absurd to you? Why don't you THINK for one second about how INSANE that it? Why didn't the government say that the terrorists were hired by the Iraqi government, and then go straight from mourning the losses of 3,500+ people to invading Iraq, with none of that bull **** in between?

Wouldn't that be more politically convenient for George W. Bush and the U.S. government? Wouldn't that be the easy route?

Why would the government go through all the trouble of creating an epic plot and spending billions of dollars on a side war in Afghanistan, just to take out Saddam Hussein?

It is RIDICULOUS. Flat out NONSENSE which you are spewing here.

If the government really wanted to conspire against the Iraqi government, there wouldn't BE an argument against weapons of mass destruction, there wouldn't have been a year-long war in Afghanistan, there wouldn't have been all this debate in between about whether we should go to war against Iraq or not.

It could have been straightforward and to the point. And the fact that it WASN'T is a good enough reason to believe that any conspiracies which are being "unveiled" to us are the work of fiction from bull **** artists who have nothing better to do with their spare time.

MY. GOD.

 

[millennium movies]

What are you on about, the thread starter is talking about that building and that one alone being a conspiracy. I think you choose to be very narrow in your point of view as you should know being the smart man you are that it's not the president who needs to plan such a thing, he has people come up with such plans, all he does is agree yes or no. I'm fairly certain he's able to say that at least...

As for the building, have you ever seen a building demolition? How do they destroy it? That's right, explosions and usually you can not see them as they are in the infrastructure of the building, the base and core of it. Not every explosion is like you see in Hollywood movies...

 

[Abstract]

I read once that the main reason these conspiracy theories persist and come about in the first place is that people need big, mind bending explanations for big, mind bending events.

19 Hijackers isn't enough, you need a global conspiracy of Watchmen proportions to justify such a significant event as 9/11.

 

[millennium movies]

Why do people keep going on about the hijackers and the planes, this wasn't one of those towers that the planes hit. I think some should rewatch the video.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I will be honest and say I am not sure of anything. I have a preponderance of thinking the terrorist attacks happenned as portrayed but I do have doubts.

The one mystery which I rarely here anything of is the dissappearance of the gold that was under the buildings. This gold was worth hundreds of billions and was the totality under deposit by foreign banks. This gold was never recoverred.

 

[CaptainClown]

what a fun thread.