Kim Jong Il : "Oops"

[cass]

I seriously hope he realizes how bad he screwed up.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/19/D8KS3JD00.html

 

[hippie_hunter]

What was the point of this thread

 

[DOG LIPS]

Damn, so the world isn't going to end?

 

[Revolver_Ocelot]

"....would return to international nuclear talks if Washington backs off a campaign to financially isolate the country"

hahah owned

 

[Man-Thing]

What was the point of this thread

I think it has a point? I don't understand your critique of it.

 

[Clouseau]

i agree, cass, that things have really been looking pretty bad lately... hopefully this will be the beginning of things starting to calm back down...

 

[blind_fury]

Kim Jong Il, you so crazy!

 

[Motown Marvel]

ha, seems like he's recognized that china is being more soft on him than the rest and he figures stating an apology to them will further their sympathy.

kim jong il should be nicknamed 'the fox'.

 

[dpm07]

I kept saying that nothing was going to happen with NK and it would quiet down. Some people were spazzing out thinking we were going to go to war, but it is obviously not going to happen.

 

[cass]

Well then again, he could be lying....AGAIN.

 

[HellOnEarth]

And you don't think he was lying before?

 

[AirKnight82]

there goes my Jericho theory right out the door...I was so sure that he was the one that attacked the US in the show!?!

 

[lazur]

Heh, what do you know, turns out Bush did the right thing after all.

Funny how no one here will give him credit, though. They'll just say "It would have happened anyway, even if China hadn't gotten involved." Uh huh .

 

[demento]

Credit for what? He's asking for us to let him continue printing our money before he'll return to negotiations. Yay?

 

[lazur]

Credit for what? He's asking for us to let him continue printing our money before he'll return to negotiations. Yay?

Umm, negative, he refused two party talks between NK and the US in favor of six party talks involving China, knowing full well how badly Kim Jong Il took advantage of Clinton's well-intended two party talks back in the 90's. Bush has been saying this WHOLE TIME that China needs to step up and handle this.

So what happens? Bush refusing to talk to Kim Jong Il results in China coming in and, presto, problem solved.

Despite the obvious good that came of this, will Bush get any credit from his rabid detractors? Heh.

 

[demento]

Double negative.

It was the bomb test that brought China and the rest of the international community to bear, That was a result of W's cutting off all unilateral diplomacy. At the end of the day, they still have an active nuclear weapons program. And I don't believe for a second that they will concede anything w/o a Non Aggression Treaty of some sort, something they've been demanding all along.

Crow about it all you like, this isn't progress, it's just more running in place. If anything, I'll credit W for not taking action alone and instead actually garnering the necessary UNSC support for action/sanctions. If he'd only done the same with Iraq, we wouldn't be on everyone's s**tlist and stuck in the middle of a civil war.

EDIT: Also, China didn't have a choice but to amp up the pressure. They were staring down the barrel of a nuclear arms race right at their doorstep. I guess we should thank W for that too, eh?

 

[Bad Superman]

NK still detonated a nuke. They still should get sanctions. The environmental damage, etc. hasn't been measured. Could be worse than what's been reported.

 

[lazur]

Double negative.

It was the bomb test that brought China and the rest of the international community to bear, That was a result of W's cutting off all unilateral diplomacy. At the end of the day, they still have an active nuclear weapons program. And I don't believe for a second that they will concede anything w/o a Non Aggression Treaty of some sort, something they've been demanding all along.

Ah, so you're saying that if we had engaged in two party talks with NK, they would *not* have detonated a nuke? Do you have a crystal ball or something?

Aren't you also forgetting that the MILLIONS of dollars we gave them for support during Clinton's years were funneled INTO their nuke program?

Bush was doing the smart thing by refusing to get snagged into another "give us money or we'll do bad things" discussion, the way Clinton did. Instead, he wanted SIX nations to talk - not just the US stuck alone trying to handle this "ticking time bomb" that is Kim Jong Il. I don't see how that's unreasonable at ALL. If it is, then please, in all of your wisdom, explain WHY.

I can't believe how narrow minded you and others are about this about something WE ALREADY KNOW would not work because it ALREADY DID NOT work.

Crow about it all you like, this isn't progress, it's just more running in place. If anything, I'll credit W for not taking action alone and instead actually garnering the necessary UNSC support for action/sanctions. If he'd only done the same with Iraq, we wouldn't be on everyone's s**tlist and stuck in the middle of a civil war.

And what IS progress to you? And how do you suppose we achieve it? Again, do you really think ANY action on our part could have prevented the nuke test? If so, why and how? Why would two party talks work now when they didn't under Clinton, arguably a more charismatic and effective diplomatic negotiator than Bush?

EDIT: Also, China didn't have a choice but to amp up the pressure. They were staring down the barrel of a nuclear arms race right at their doorstep. I guess we should thank W for that too, eh?

Again, I ask, how is it W's fault that NK has nukes? Please explain.

 

[Armand Z Trip]

Kim Jong Il is a freakin psycho. He just wanted the attention. He felt bad because no one was talking to him, he just wants to see his name in the papers then get drunk and *********e to one of his thousands of VHS horror movies. He got the attention but this time it was a little much.

 

[lazur]

he just wants to see his name in the papers then get drunk and *********e to one of his thousands of VHS horror movies

Or any of the huge number of teenage sex slaves he rapes.

 

[demento]

Aren't you also forgetting that the MILLIONS of dollars we gave them for support during Clinton's years were funneled INTO their nuke program?

A program that was for all practical purposes inactive until W cut off all ties and labeled them part of the "Axis of Evil."

Bush was doing the smart thing by refusing to get snagged into another "give us money or we'll do bad things" discussion, the way Clinton did. Instead, he wanted SIX nations to talk - not just the US stuck alone trying to handle this "ticking time bomb" that is Kim Jong Il. I don't see how that's unreasonable at ALL. If it is, then please, in all of your wisdom, explain WHY.

I can't believe how narrow minded you and others are about this about something WE ALREADY KNOW would not work because it ALREADY DID NOT work.

And thus begin the personal attacks which I've seen you time and again claim not to ever instigate. Anyway, how can you say that not talking to them at all "worked?" Did they not detonate a nuclear f**king bomb 2 weeks ago? All W did was help bring the situation to the precipice, thereby forcing China's hand.

Again, I ask, how is it W's fault that NK has nukes? Please explain.

Change the subject much? It's not W's fault that they have nukes, nor is it Clinton's. You can blame that on Jong Il and his pops, Pakistan for assisting, and China for looking the other way.

 

[lazur]

A program that was for all practical purposes inactive until W cut off all ties and labeled them part of the "Axis of Evil."

I'm sorry, but you have no way of knowing if it was "inactive". Why do you believe that anyway?

And thus begin the personal attacks which I've seen you time and again claim not to ever instigate. Anyway, how can you say that not talking to them at all "worked?" Did they not detonate a nuclear f**king bomb 2 weeks ago? All W did was help bring the situation to the precipice, thereby forcing China's hand.

Anything Bush did would be seen by his opposition as making the situation worse, you know that as well as I. Bush can do no right in your eyes, period.

Change the subject much? It's not W's fault that they have nukes, nor is it Clinton's. You can blame that on Jong Il and his pops, Pakistan for assisting, and China for looking the other way.

It's not Bush's fault that they have nukes, but it's Bush's fault that they tested one?

Make sense much?

 

[blind_fury]

Haha! Lazur thinks Bush is a strategic genius despite the fact that the Iraq War is one the biggest mistakes in modern US history. lolz!

Bush is lucky China came to the rescue. Further isolating NK could've easily resulted in WW3. It is really a dumb policy. Worse than invading Iraq without an exit strategy.

 

[lazur]

Haha! Lazur thinks Bush is a strategic genius despite the fact that the Iraq War is one the biggest mistakes in modern US history. lolz!

And you are anything but a genius if that's what you believe.

All I said was that he called this one right. You said the rest.

Bush is lucky China came to the rescue. Further isolating NK could've easily resulted in WW3. It is really a dumb policy. Worse than invading Iraq without an exit strategy.

Yeah, it's better to just give them money based on a pretentious friendship, so they can just fund and build their nuke program right under our noses.

Oh, sorry, had a Clinton flashback there.

 

[blind_fury]

It's not Bush's fault that they have nukes, but it's Bush's fault that they tested one?

Make sense much?

If the Soviets lauched a nuke under Reagan's watch you people would blame President Carter. Freaking pathetic!

Alot of countries have nukes. It's up to the present world leaders to maintain world peace. If Pakistan lauches a nuke tomorrow don't blame Clinton, don't blame Reagan, and don't blame the guy who created the atomic bomb. Blame who's in charge!