BvS Knightmare Scene/Cameo Spoiler

I only thing i disliked about this scene with that they showed so much of it in the marketing.

 

You could say that about any scene in the movie save for [BLACKOUT]Superman's death[/BLACKOUT] and the [BLACKOUT]Justice League cameos[/BLACKOUT].

 

This scene was pretty much the equivalent of the Cave Scene in AoU, except that was much more coherent. It adds context to the vision Thor had earlier, and yes does set up hints for the future like this scene does, but in AoU you already have a few pieces of the puzzle to work with.

When this scene rolls around it is totally out of left field. I didn't even realize that the new character that pops up out of nowhere was supposed to be the flash, he looked unrecognizable. But it is a neat cameo, and the write up in the OP is an interesting read. I didn't care for the near constant dream sequences though, far too many, and the dream within a dream for this bit was a poor choice.

 

I don't understand the criticism of the "dream" sequence(s). Especially the claim that there were too many.

There was ONE. The only other dream was the nightmare about his parents tomb.
I say three was only one of the sequence people are criticizing is because the parents one was a standard nightmare, nothing confusing, it's not a "vision".

So the only vision type sequence was the single Knightmare scene, and subsequent cameo.

How the hell is that too many?

Also, I loved how it is meant to be misinterpreted by by Bruce, and even the audience.

 

It's a really fun scene, but it should've been post-credit.

 

Dude, they showed so much of everything in the trailers/tv spots. I knew pretty much everything before watching it. Even the Batman vs Superman fight is almost all in the trailers/tv spots. Trailers just showed way too much. Next time i won't be watching them, that's for sure.

 

i liked this scene because it works as a vision of the possible future.

i don't think it was a dream at all and i think bruce sees this because of

Spoiler

flash messing with the timeline

, which will probably be developed and connect to a future film.

but i can see how the GA might be confused by the randomness of the scene.

 

Fundamentally disagree.

Post credit it would make absolutely zero sense.

Being in the film makes perfect sense as it comes across as a manifestation of Bruce's fears.

After credits it completely looses that context, AND becomes even more nonsensical after the film resolved the titular conflict, among other spoilery things.

Not to mention the fact that the vision, and Flash's warning, serve to cement Bruce's resolve.

Without them, his willingness to kill Superman makes even less sense, and comes across as even more reckless.

 

I think this may have been the scene/scenes that caused the most confusion for general movie goers (and possibly why reviews are the way they are). The was little context given or follow up to it. Die hard DC fans may have loved it and geeked out but I feel everyone else would have been left scratching their heads where and what was going on, especially having the two scenes back to back. I mean I didnt even know it was the Flash in the lightning vortex thingy until being told online after. The GA would not have had a clue who this is during the movie and would have just lost people in my opinion anyway.

I think they were in such a rush to get their universe up and running little things like this were forced in without enough thought put in.

 

People claiming this scene would be confusing to general audiences are just being really insulting.

Ignore the fact that it hints at Darkseid, the Parademons, etc, and see it the same way the general audience does, and the same way Bruce does; as a manifestation of his fear over Superman, and Bruce's idea of how horribly things can go if he doesn't act against the Superman.

It's not confusing in the least.

 

Well from the general viewers I have spoken to its the one scene I've heard them ask about and said that left them confused the most. I dont think its insulting I just dont think the film did a very good job of explaining what was happening. How were the audience expected to know who the Flash was in this seen and why he was their?

 

This scene confuses me. It came out of nowhere and didn't have much reason for happening. They should have put it after the courtroom scene. Gives batman and superman more motivation to fight

 

The GA doesn't know of Darkseid, Parademons - hell they can't easily tell that's the Flash in the vortex, nor could they adequately hear what he was saying.

They think he's just having some wacked out dream and one that doesn't service the movie's plot.

 

It's true, you can see it on the side of the Knightmare Batman package
(sorry, I could only find a picture from eBay)

 

Yep.

 

That's my gripe. It seems like they went out of their way to make it as confusing as possible. Making Flash look like Flash would have added a bit of clarity to that whole scene.

 

Less then 10 years ago, the general audience had no idea who Ironman was. BvS opened the door to the larger cosmos ever so slightly. The GA will understand it all in 20 more months.

SS & WW will play a role somehow to keep the question fresh. Justice League will answer questions while likely asking more.

 

The Flash concerns, absolutely. He's certainly not recognizable. That part would definitely be confusing. I get the impression that the Flash cameo is the part that confused anyone.
The Knightmare sequence itself, on its own, makes absolute perfect sense as a manifestation of Bruce's fears. Not confusing in the least, and absolutely serves the plot.

As I said before, without it, Bruce's hardened resolve to stay his course of action makes little to no sense.

You don't need to know anything about Darkseid, Parademons, etc, which was my point, and what I explicitly said.

They are only relevant to the future films, and that's also why they're not the focus of the scene. They are Easter eggs.
The main focus of the scene, in the context of BvS, is the manifestation of the threat Superman represents.

That was painfully obvious, and also the entire point of why Bruce interprets it as reaffirming his course of action against Superman.

Like I said, look at it and focus on the scene, tale your blinders off and stop focusing JUST on the Easter Eggs. You know, just like anyone else who watched the film and doesn't know about Darkseid et al.

 

Ok, so Bruce had this weird nightmare where Superman has destroyed the whole world. It kinda makes sense: he's getting really paranoid about Superman. Ok, it's weird but I get it.

Then the Flash shows up and it makes absolutely no sense, imo. They never touch the subject again; that part of Bruce's dream is not relevant at all to the story. It never pays off and it's never explained... but the scene is there, in the movie, acting like it's relevant.

I feel the same way about the [BLACKOUT]JL scene[/BLACKOUT]. It's easter egg material, but they made a 4min scene out of it.

 

I have looked at it from GA's perspective. It would seem only knowledgable CBM fans and deep thinkers on these internet forums understand that sequence. Doesn't take much effort to look around outside of a place like this to see the confusion it generated with everyone else. The flash sequence was layered on top of it, so that's why most lump the two together.