Sony Spin-Off Kraven The Hunter

[psylockolussus]

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At this point, I don't know if any comicbook movie franchise could be as bad as SSU. FoXverse had 5 rottens out of 13 movies. DCEU had has at least four film with a RT rating over 70%.

The only positive things I can say, they managed to release 6 movies and connected the films to the MCU, with two actors from that appearing in their movies.

 

[blueharvest]

At this point, I don't know if any comicbook movie franchise could be as bad as SSU. FoXverse had 5 rottens out of 13 movies. DCEU had has at least four film with a RT rating over 70%.

The only positive things I can say, they managed to release 6 movies and connected the films to the MCU, with two actors from that appearing in their movies.

Yeah, the Sony Universe was even worse than that Monster Universe they tried in 2015 with that Mummy movie with Tom Cruise.

 

[lenz]

In terms of overall quality, yes.

The Sony universe was at an extreme disadvantage from the start and ultimately destined to fail. It was essentially a wheel without a hub.

The DCEU had access fo Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. Despite that fact a Venom movie without Spidey practically made as much as Batman vs Superman and more than Wonder Women. Only Aquaman made more, but Venom as a franchise is the more consistent earner.

The Monster Universe as a concept was over after one film. From that perspective it's easily the biggest failure.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The problem with this universe is they clearly wanted this to be MCU adjacent. See the Morbius marketing for evidence that Morbius and Vulture were meant to be cell mates at the same prison as Homecoming. Then they ended up not being able to do this and Holland stayed in the MCU. Then they had no plan b for how to anchor this. Then they settled on the worst option: The Not So-Sinister Six. Making anti-hero movies out of Spider-Man bad guys was dumb. If you're doing a Temu version of a Spider-Man Universe, at least use someone like a Spider-Gwen or Scarlet Spider or someone that can be positioned as their central figure. Heck, Venom even could have been that. On top of that, they post-productioned these movies to they point they looked unprofessional and whatever life they may have once had was gone.

Sony is THE worst major studio today.

 

[TheVileOne]

If they wanted to do other live-action Spider-Man shows, the best options were characters like Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Gwen, the other spider heroes. But they pick freaking Madame Web? Seriously?

Madame Web is a soothsayer. She's a freaking fortune teller. She ain't a superhero.

 

[kguillou]

Kraven review:

This MIGHT actually be my favorite SUMC movie. No, this is NOT a good movie but I think it's the most entertaining of Sony's bunch. And there are some genuine good moments peppered in where you can tell that the people involved were trying to make a good movie. Unlike Madame Web where you could tell from frame one that no one gave a f***.

ATJ is fun as Kraven. The marketing tries to mislead you into thinking he becomes this evil villain at the end...he doesn't. He's very much a Punisher anti-hero with a heart of gold. He's badass and intimidating and has some genuinely funny moments of levity in the movie.

Ariana DeBose. Man. Not since Michelle Williams in the Venom movies have I seen an actress just wanna get the Hell out of the movie they're in. Some of her ADR is HORRENDOUSLY bad.

THE RHINO! My man Paul Giammati has been dethroned. This actor they got playing him camped it UP. He knew exactly what movie he was in and was the most enjoyable aspect of the film.

There's some shameless Spider-man references peppered out that are gonna make people either smile or groan.

Russell Crowe...all I could think was HE should have played Kraven 15 years ago in a Spider-man movie. But he's fine here as the heartless father Kraven and his brother with ulterior motives.

The action is bloody and fun but not AS violent as the trailers lead you to believe. Believe it or not the camera cuts away when things are about to get too gruesome. But it's fun, serviceable B-movie grind house action.

Overall, my kind of fun, bad B movie. The plot is whatever, and it takes itself too seriously but I genuinely think this is probably Sony's best of the 6 movies. ATJ is a good lead and it's a shame we won't ever see him in a GOOD movie going up against Tom Holland. But this is a fun movie to bring a group of friends to and just kick back and laugh with (or at).

 

[blueharvest]

 

[TheVileOne]

The lion vest barely even appears in the film. Fake Hollywood marketing and hype once again.

 

[Primal Slayer]

The lion vest barely even appears in the film. Fake Hollywood marketing and hype once again.

Isnt that SOnys whole thing? They advertise the most iconic bits of the characters only for them to barely appear?

 

[TheVileOne]

Isnt that SOnys whole thing? They advertise the most iconic bits of the characters only for them to barely appear?

Many Hollywood studios do this.

 

[kguillou]

Right. Imagine watching Spider-man (2002) and Tobey only dons the costume in the final few seconds. I mean, wtf.

 

[psylockolussus]

Kraven the Hunter Box Office Preview Numbers Suggest It Will Gross Less Than Madame Web - Comic Book Movies and Superhero Movie News - SuperHeroHype

Kraven the Hunter is off to a rough start at the box office and predictions state it'll make less than Madame Web during its opening weekend.

www.superherohype.com

Like Foxverse, DCEU, and several comic book movies that got a follow up (Superman, Batman, Fantastic 4, TASM2, Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Joker) - SSU going out in a bad note at the box office.

I'm interested to see the future of CBMs, if Mcu could prevent more flops, if DCU wouldn't have any flops and what would Sony do with their Spider-Man movie rights.

I feel like in the last few years, we had so many flops. In the 2010s, Ghost Rider 2, Fant4stic and Dark Phoenix were the only Marvel movies iirc, to miss the 100 million mark in North America. Halfway in the 2020s, we already have the New Mutants, Morbius, The Marvels, Madame Web and Kraven the Hunter. It doesn't look very encouraging. While DC definitely had a lot of flops even before the pandemic with Birds of Prey. It reminds me of the 2000s, when there were several Cbms that struggled to gross more than 100 million in North America and international markets weren't doing much to inflate the worldwide gross.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[DyeLorean]

I'm so f mad they wasted all those Spidey villains in these sh**y movies. God. Seeing Chameleon in live action for the first time in a blurry cam recording on a movie nobody asked for makes me really angry. Sony should be prosecuted.

 

[kguillou]

Wow. Honestly i didnt expect it to be THIS badly received by audiences. I was expecting a B-. Its def more entertaining than Madame Web.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Kraven the Hunter Box Office Preview Numbers Suggest It Will Gross Less Than Madame Web - Comic Book Movies and Superhero Movie News - SuperHeroHype

Kraven the Hunter is off to a rough start at the box office and predictions state it'll make less than Madame Web during its opening weekend.

www.superherohype.com

Like Foxverse, DCEU, and several comic book movies that got a follow up (Superman, Batman, Fantastic 4, TASM2, Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Joker) - SSU going out in a bad note at the box office.

I'm interested to see the future of CBMs, if Mcu could prevent more flops, if DCU wouldn't have any flops and what would Sony do with their Spider-Man movie rights.

I feel like in the last few years, we had so many flops. In the 2010s, Ghost Rider 2, Fant4stic and Dark Phoenix were the only Marvel movies iirc, to miss the 100 million mark in North America. Halfway in the 2020s, we already have the New Mutants, Morbius, The Marvels, Madame Web and Kraven the Hunter. It doesn't look very encouraging. While DC definitely had a lot of flops even before the pandemic with Birds of Prey. It reminds me of the 2000s, when there were several Cbms that struggled to gross more than 100 million in North America and international markets weren't doing much to inflate the worldwide gross.

BoP opened just as the world was ending but it was still reviewed well. Sony can't get lol.

But i seriously wonder why it is so hard for Sony to get things right with this Spider-verse. Is it that hard to get someone good to run things and get good scripts made? Why aren't they hiring the team behind the animated films? Better than what they're doing now

 

[DyeLorean]

But i seriously wonder why it is so hard for Sony to get things right with this Spider-verse. Is it that hard to get someone good to run things and get good scripts made? Why aren't they hiring the team behind the animated films? Better than what they're doing now

I think there's a fundamental flaw: they're villains, they exist because they're antagonists/characters adjacent to Spider-Man. You can get away with one, maybe two anti-hero movies and set up a villain for a future film. That's a cool idea. But you can't base an entire "cinematic universe" under that umbrella. It just doesn't work.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Pennywise]

 

[blueharvest]

 

[psylockolussus]

BoP opened just as the world was ending but it was still reviewed well. Sony can't get lol.

But i seriously wonder why it is so hard for Sony to get things right with this Spider-verse. Is it that hard to get someone good to run things and get good scripts made? Why aren't they hiring the team behind the animated films? Better than what they're doing now

Sonic the Hedgedog made $148 m domestically and $300 m worldwide which opened after Birds of Prey. The pandemic started to affect cinemas in March, when Pixar's Onward opened with 39 million. So Birds of Prey had 4 weeks. The next four weekends also grossed more money, than the weekend Birds of Prey opened. People weren't just interested in that movie.

Domestic Box Office Weekends For 2020

www.boxofficemojo.com

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Spider-Fan]

I was so close on my $10 mil or less prediction! Lol

 

[DyeLorean]

This is gonna sound bad for the people involved that worked hard on it, but I'm glad for that terrible opening weekend. The audience had to stop allowing these things to be made.

 

[Pennywise]