Discussion in 'Thor: The Dark World' started by R_Hythlodeus, Aug 23, 2012.
wasn't the line
"The energy....the Tesseract can't fight it. You can't protect against yourself"
I wonder if we'll get to see Thanos' forces making good on their threat to hunt down Loki if he fails? also trying to steal the Tesseract?
according to closed captioning it's
Selvig: Loki's scepter. The Energy. The Tesseract can't fight, but you can't protect against yourself.
meaning Loki's scepter which is powered by the tesseract can penetrate the shield because you can't fight your own energy...
I suppose that is one interpretation. BW seems to take it to mean he's blaming himself for what has happened in that line (it can't fight you BUT you can't protect against your own selfish intentions/needs around it) right after that line she says "It's not your fault you didn't know what you were doing." and he replies "well actually I think I did" and goes on to explain about the scepter.
In all fairness, Algrim is considered strongest of all the Dark Elves.
True; there haven't been that many real attempts by the good guys to use the Tesseract, other than Fury and the scientists, who might not be considered powerful or worthy enough to unlock its energy. In the comics, good guys *can* use the Cube, of course; but in the MCU, I'm seeing a definite disconnect and trend towards only evil people being able to activate it.
That's a good question, regardless of whether or not my theory is right. Who put the Cube there, and why leave it virtually unguarded for 1000 years, knowing full well the devastating consequences of someone in the know finding and using it? Going back to Red Skull's quote about "This would have been the crowl jewel in Odin's Treasury....if it wasn't a fake," seems to indicate that Odin doesn't even know it's there.
It's been a while since I've seen Thor1, but I thought it showed up in the battle at Toenberg at the beginning. Since Schmidt/Red Skull finds the Tesseract there, again in Toenberg, I had assumed Odin put it there for that order of knights (the ones Schmidt confronts) to guard.
But maybe not .. . . .hmmm.
Wait a minute--if Thor does not activate the Cube, how do they get back to Asgard? (Surely it's not that he depends on Loki to convey them there?) As I recall, they both turn a handle on the case and it's activated.
I think the functionality of the Tesseract is just something we don't yet fully understand. I doubt its a matter of moral character so much as knowledge supplemented by the physical capacity to handle its energies. I suspect, however, that even Asgardians do not take the Tesseract lightly.
true. I like it. Again, I just think Surtur because I'd expect surtur to be in the movie, and simply, the oppritunity is there. To have a villain create another villain. The oppritunity is there. If it wasn't based on the simonson run leading to the surtur saga, I would say the cube would do it. But with the feeling that surtur will be having a presence, I still think him changing algrim is a very strong way to display that presence.
Algrim shouldn't be able to take anything out of Odin's hands. MCU or Comics, Odin is TOO far ahead of Algrim in order for that to happen.
the thing is though, we don't need another McGuffin. Well, in that scenario we would. But we don't need ANOTHER McGuffin. We got the cube, and potentially the gems and the IG, it's just too much. If algrim is to get his hands on the tesseract, I would think it would be due to Loki sneaking it out somehow, and leaving it somewhere, perhaps still trying to get it to Thanos to make up for his failure. However he gets stopped, and algrim stumbles upon it?
I just cant see algrim taking on odin, and taking the cube from him, or even taking it under his nose. that just cant happen lol
Many reasons. Maybe he didn't know how? Maybe he was afraid of what it would do? Maybe it was very complicated to tap into it correctly
not too sure. This is clever, and obvious. I think it may be a little to obvious lol. Meaning I think it may be a coincidence. I think the tesseract is simply a complex artifact of imense power, that's it.
That is exactly what he meant.
Exactly exactl exactly!!! Not moral character. As I stated above, I think it is simply an artifact of imense energy and power. And it takes "ancient knowledge" of the item to understand how it works, and how to use its energies and powers effectively. The skull didnt know squat about it. He did, but not enough, to touched it, and was gone. Loki was "given" the knowledge, but he didn't learn about it himself. Thor seemed to know OF it. Thanos is probably the only one who knows it the best. I think it is a confusing artifact of imense energy.
I see it as similar to the infinity gems in the comics. Many characters have used the gems, power gem for thor, drax, etc, but only thanos posessed the knowledged to use them the best and tap into the gems power. I think it is like that. You need to understand how the tesseract works.
For everyone else, it's touching an electric fense without knowing its electric. Now, You may get told about an electric fense, meaning, if you touch the fense, it will shock you. You KNOW that. Loki was told about the tesseract. But unless you learn about the wiring, and how the fence works and such, you probably won't be able to get over that fence unless you know how it technically works, and how to shut it down
I think Loki (and possibly even Thor) knows a helluva lot more about the Cube than what we've seen. Implicitly, this was his "selling point" to Thanos in the first place: he knew what the Cube was, where it was, how to get to it, and how to get it back to Thanos, and offered it in exchange for a conquering army.
Then there's the fact that he was able to harness its power for Selvig (who was able to learn great truths from it) and Hawkeye (who used it to suss out his next target and what he'd need to take him out -- i.e., an eyeball).
Then there's Loki and Thor's little one-on-one conversation on the mountaintop in Avengers, which hints that both Asgardians know full well about the Tesseract's power, and both seem to know full well about who Thanos is and why it's a bad idea to negotiate with him.
As to why Loki doesn't just take the Cube for himself: I think fear motivates him from doing that. Fear of Thanos, on the one hand, and what he will do to him; but also probably fear of the Cube itself, and what it's capable of doing to him.
yeah actually. most definitally
Okay guys. Figured I'd bump this thread, since we've had some recent interviews from AAA regarding Kurse.
If anyone was wondering what has been said, instead of searching through the threads, figured I'd post em in Kurse's own thread.
and most recently:
you guys think Kurse will speak at all?
^ Wow this is my first time reading that last AAA interview you quoted, it's pretty awesome.
Yeah I'd like to see Kurse get a nice amount of lines and I'm also hoping to see a good bit of grappling/slamming during his fights with Thor.
I am hoping for that as well. I wonder how big he is. I would like to see him throwing a little bit. Hopefully it's clear that Kurse is too strong for him to beat by hitting him with mjolnir. Thus resorting to other powers
Yeah, more elemental/energy attacks are a must against Kurse, even though I really wanna see some smashing displays of physical strength in their fight(s).
I agree on both counts!! t:
Some more on Kurse from AAA
Interesting, sounds like maybe an organic armor
Yeah most definately, but I still want to see Thor knocking him on his ass a bit with his fists and hammer as well.
me too. It sounds like they are doing Kurse right.
and we may see some brutality that hasn't been seen in the MCU yet.
Kurse vs. the Hulk would be an interesting match to see in the future.
lol, it would look a lot like the Thor and Kurse fights, or the hulk and zeus fight (but not as brutal)...Hulk is certainly stronger than Thor, but strong enough to contend with Kurse, he is not
Yeah Hulk and Thor are close enough in strength to where a fight with Kurse from either hero would be similar.
Except for the fact that Thor can pull out non physical powers when he starts getting overpowered.
exactly, which Hulk can't. Aside from the whole "hulk gets stronger with rage so eventually he will beat kurse..or whoever" crap...getting real, Kurse would brutally beat hulk down before he gets dangerous enough. Even wwh. Seeing how in world war hulk, he stalemated sentry, and Kurse shrugged off physical blows from thor and beta ray bill