Last U.S. World War I Veteran Dies

[Spidey-Bat]

I know enough to know that I don't need to know more.

Then don't expect to be taken seriously when trying to debate it.

 

[SuperFerret]

I'll remember that next time I have to remove a bullet from a horse.

Who's trying to debate it?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Who's trying to debate it?

You are, though doing a poor job of it so maybe you're not trying.

 

[SuperFerret]

I wasn't. Simply because I state my opinion doesn't mean I want to sway others to it.

 

[Kelly]

Point One: Yes, World War II did have more of an impact on the world than World War I.

Point Two: Yes, World War I, The Treaty of Versailles, etc.....DEFINITELY was a push factor to World War II probably the biggest....

SO LOOK, everyone is right.......

Let's stop the arguing and give this man the honor he deserves....

 

[Spidey-Bat]

SO LOOK, everyone is right.......

Except they're not.

 

[SuperFerret]

I'm more irritating than anything else.

 

[Kelly]

Oh please, YES, World War II had a greater impact on the world.....if only because it was fought in two different theaters...took us into the Cold War, which lasted for the next 45 years and was the precursor to conflicts in South America, Africa, South East Asia, Southwest Asia.......good grief.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Oh please, YES, World War II had a greater impact on the world.....if only because it was fought in two different theaters...took us into the Cold War, which lasted for the next 45 years and was the precursor to conflicts in South America, Africa, South East Asia, Southwest Asia.......good grief.

You can argue that WWII brought upon the cold-war, but WWI led to the creation of the friggin' Soviet Union.

And I would argue the cold-war was happening in some form or another before WWII made uneasy allies of the US and Russia and put their ideological differences on the back-burner. The US government in the 1920's and 1930's was already very uneasy about the rapid rise of the Bolsheviks. I think WWII merely delayed the onset of the cold-war. It would have happened regardless.

 

[Kelly]

The Russian Revolution created the Soviet Union....and the under the table dealings between the Soviet Union and Germany, led to a STRONGER Soviet Union, and the creation of the Iron Curtain.....would it have happened anyway, possibly, but the fact is.......it came about much easier for the Soviet Union because of World War II, and the destruction of Eastern Europe and the weakened governments.

But, still simply by the scope of World War II, its impact had a greater impact worldwide...

I'm not taking away from World War I by no means.....and I do strongly agree that World War I, led to World War II.....

I simply believe that both in this argument have much that is right about their arguments....that's all....

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Oh please, YES, World War II had a greater impact on the world.....if only because it was fought in two different theaters...took us into the Cold War, which lasted for the next 45 years and was the precursor to conflicts in South America, Africa, South East Asia, Southwest Asia.......good grief.

It's called World War I for a reason. There was fighting in India, Africa, Asia (Tsingtao), the Middle East (Galipoli) and the Pacific (SMS Emden is a fascinating ship in history). One of Germany's goals was to force multiple fronts to spread out Britain's army. The war was the breaking point of Russia which led to revolution (a provisional government was in place first but the communist who would eventually take over played a role in the first).

They both had equal impacts.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I can respect your opinion, Kel (while I still differ from it) because you're expressing it in an informed and measured way. Super Ferret OTOH, first outright dismissed WWI by calling it an appetizer to WWII and saying it only needed a single page in a history-book... and then later admitted he didn't know a whole lot about what he was dismissing. I think that's what ticked a few of us off.

 

[Kelly]

It's called World War I for a reason. There was fighting in India, Africa, Asia (Tsingtao), the Middle East (Galipoli) and the Pacific (SMS Emden is a fascinating ship in history). One of Germany's goals was to force multiple fronts to spread out Britain's army. The war was the breaking point of Russia which led to revolution (a provisional government was in place first but the communist who would eventually take over played a role in the first).

They both had equal impacts.

Well, stating that they had "equal impact" would take some time to get Empirical data to truly prove that statement...

But, it would be very interesting to research it and come up with an analysis, that is for sure....

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Well, stating that they had "equal impact" would take some time to get Empirical data to truly prove that statement...

But, it would be very interesting to research it and come up with an analysis, that is for sure....

Saying they have equal impact requires a thesis to support but it's ok to just type up a few quick points if you pick one over the other?

 

[Kelly]

Sure.....but to properly prove it....would take time, and as a geographic historian, that would be a blast for me.....IF I had time to do it. Unfortunately, my curriculum writing doesn't give me time to do that....but I would enjoy the research.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

How about we both work on it when we retire?

 

[Kelly]

Well that will probably be the first time I will have the time to do it...lol

 

[Marvolo]

This is pathetic! A hero has left us, and you guys are *****ing about which war had more impact. Both wars cost many good people their lives. It was their lives that allow you to sit here and bicker. By comparing both wars you are doing a diservice to these brave people. And both of these wars had a major impact. So how about you pay your respects.

 

[Doomed_hero]

I always looked at the start of World War 1 as one of the stupidest reasons to start a war in hostry. It was all about power which most wars ar, but there wasnt really a cause to it imo. however its impact on the world can be see from communism to middle east and advances in warfare. World War 2 get the most attention cause there was a clear villian and sense of good vs bad(minus the dark grey of Stalin)

However I saw this man 4 years ago in a ABC interview fighting for a WW1 memorial and I agree that while I disagree with why the war was fought, all people who figt for this country deserve to be reconized. I am sad to see him go, but I will always remebr his service.

 

[Marvolo]

I always looked at the start of World War 1 as one of the stupidest reasons to start a war in hostry. It was all about power which most wars ar, but there wasnt really a cause to it imo. however its impact on the world can be see from communism to middle east and advances in warfare. World War 2 get the most attention cause there was a clear villian and sense of good vs bad(minus the dark grey of Stalin)

However I saw this man 4 years ago in a ABC interview fighting for a WW1 memorial and I agree that while I disagree with why the war was fought, all people who figt for this country deserve to be reconized. I am sad to see him go, but I will always remebr his service.

Very true. The assassination of one man led to a world war and the death of so many. Tragic indeed.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

The assassination of Franz Ferdinand merely accelerated the coming of the Great War. It would have happened anyway. The various empires that were carving up the world at the time had been moving towards conflict since the end of the 19th century.

 

[Pink Ranger]

The powers of Europe had all these bright shiny toys that they were eager to try out on each other, and were just waiting for something to give them an excuse to start playing. And from that, an entire generation of young men were sent into a meat grinder, we got communism, the rise of the Nazi movement, while Japan got its first taste of conquest and liked it.

 

[Alex The Great]

In case anyone is curious, there is only one WWI Vet Left. Okay, two, but only one of them fought. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Choules

Anyways, WWI is very important and should be studied in schools in America among other countries. Hell up here we have a whole unit on WWI. Followed of course by WWII and the period between the two wars. WWI is especially important to us Canadians. The Battle of Vimy Ridge is one of the most important moments in Canadian history, many say that battle was the "Birth of a nation" for Canada.

It's fair I guess for Americans like SuperFerret not to really care about WWI, America didn't show up until near the end. So it's not really "big" so to speak for America, though the war did put the US on the world stage and create something that would become the UN after WWII.

But C'Mon, worth one page in a textbook. Really?

 

[Thundercrack85]

You can't study World War II without studying World War I. In the future, they will probably be considered one conflict.

 

[Alex The Great]

You can't study World War II without studying World War I. In the future, they will probably be considered one conflict.

Hell, you could probably smush the Cold War in there. They'd probably just call it The Great War or something like that.