Learning from the reinvention of Doctor Who/Star Trek

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  1. Silvermoth Krakoan native

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    What do you think Star Wars should learn from the other two science fiction and well loved serieses? What do you think they can improve on?

    I think if they took the fun of Doctor Who and combined it with the scope of Star Trek, you would have a satisfying continuation of the franchise.
     
  2. Gianakin_ SW Prequels Defender

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    Seeing as Star Trek borrowed the scope and fun stuff from Star Wars, I don't think SW has anything to learn. Just do the obvious, a compelling story, screenplay, characters and good direction.

    Don't watch Dr. Who, so i don't know.
     
  3. redhawk23 Wrestlin'

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    Considering Dr. Who is fairly terrible not much.
     
  4. Lord All Mighty

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    I didn't feel like Star Trek had that big of a scope, the only place they can learn is from the video game animations:
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    Except for slow mo, that has no place in Star Wars
     
  5. Superwoman Prime Damaged Beyond Repair

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    Eeeeeehh... a better question is "What can Star Wars learn from its own past strengths and weaknesses?"
     
  6. Doc Ock The Spider-Totem Awakens

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    I kinda figured the invigoration of Star Trek was very much a Star Wars-fyied version of Trek (hence probably why I love it so much). Heck I think Doctor Who takes elements from Star Wars as well. Doctor Who being a mix of all sorts of things really.

    I think Star Wars is safe as long as the new director(s) know Star Wars and how it works. I don't want a non-Star Wars fan to take hold even though it would be a good director because thats where odd decisions can come in.
     
  7. LauraT Registered

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    One reinvention I do not want them learning from is Nolan's trilogy. Please no announcements that this is a "darker, grittier, more realistic, modern SW". I don't think that's likely at all with LucasFilm still intact and under Disney but it would be the last thing it needed.
     
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    Pretty much.

    Not to mention Star Wars isn't a Sci-Fi movie really. It's more of a fantasy adventure flick that has a setting in outer space. It's more about magic and adventure than science. Hell in a New Hope the message of the movie is anti technology and how the power within us is greater than any computer, the ultra high tech space age only serves to complement that point.

    So they shouldn't look to those franchises as they are only connected by a subgenre.
     
  9. Lord All Mighty

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    What i allways liked about Star Wars was how serious and dark it could be, even with it's fantastic elements for some reason i allways found it more realistic than Star Trek (a franchise that tries more to be realistic).

    In my opinion you can't make Star Wars darker or more realistic because it already is.
     
  10. CConn Fountainhead of culture.

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    You British people need to keep Dr. Who in your pants.

    No, all Star Wars needs to pay attention to is the OT, some of the better EU books, and maybe TFU, and you'll have a great movie.
     
  11. Doc Ock The Spider-Totem Awakens

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    Yeah, that junk needs to stay away. No disrespect to Nolanites.

    Hey! I'm not British! :p

    I agree completely, well except the little area I crossed out...but paying attention to the OT is a must IMO.
     
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    If they do decide to recast (because it picks up right after Return or a few years like 10, making Luke around 35) learn from the success of Star Trek. Recast carefully. Get actors who can embody the characters and not resort to imitation or parody. Star Trek shows that it can be done successfully. Learn from that.
     
  13. ThePowerCosmic Hyped Up

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    Huh...? SW is Sci-Fi. Sure, it has some mythical elements like the force(which can be explained scientifically using midichlorians)... But still, the majority is pretty much Sci-Fi.
     
  14. Doc Ock The Spider-Totem Awakens

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    Although Star Wars has been labeled as Space Fantasy from time to time. I consider it sci-fi, but with fantasy elements and style.
     
  15. ThePowerCosmic Hyped Up

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    Yeah. I definitely agree, Ock.
     
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    The problem with the prequel trilogy... okay, one of the main problems, is that it's not a whole lot like the original trilogy.

    In the original trilogy, the Jedi were an odd group. Most of the galaxy was full of regular people (even if they were aliens). I.e. ordinary people. It was gritty.

    The prequel trilogy rarely if ever showed us these ordinary people. It was all about Jedis, and the Force. Fantasy, less sci fi. A character like Han Solo just wouldn't fit into the prequel trilogy universe.

    They need to balance the fantasy and sci fi better.
     
  17. ThePowerCosmic Hyped Up

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    I think Han could definitely fit in with the prequels. Just because smugglers weren't shown doesn't mean they weren't out there. If a bounty hunter like Jango could flourish, then so could someone like Han.
     
  18. CConn Fountainhead of culture.

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    You probably don't even comprehend what I meant by being influenced by TFU. :o
     
  19. Lord All Mighty

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    We did meet some regular folks in the prequels, like Obi-wan's friend
     
  20. Doc Ock The Spider-Totem Awakens

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    Actually, no I didn't. :p
     
  21. Thundercrack85 Registered

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    Yes, but they weren't a part of the story.

    Luke Skywalker and Han Solo were both ordinary people. Anakin, not so much.

    In the Phantom Menace we're told he's basically Jesus.

    They need to balance sci fi and fantasy. The prequel trilogy was 90% fantasy, 10% old school sci fi.
     
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    Everything did it's best to distance the viewer from the characters.

    The dialogue was the driving force..it was terribly written..psuedo-shakespearean drivel.
     
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    Pretty much. Another key problem with the Phantom Menace (besides all the plot holes), is that they couldn't agree on who the protagonist was.

    I bring this up, since, this is the first movie of a new trilogy (like Phantom Menace)... I hope they really avoid some of these pitfalls.

    In A New Hope, you had important supporting characters, but it was clear that Luke was the protagonist.
     
  24. Doc Ock The Spider-Totem Awakens

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    I kinda always viewed Obi-Wan as the protagonist of the Prequels. Being featured more predominately than anyone else.
     
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    There was some element of duality with that protaganist notion in the OT (han and luke)..i hear what your saying...i think it was just executed poorly.

    Phantom Menace shouldnt have been made. Episode I should have just picked up in Anakin's late teen years..maybe some flashback but it was too far back for a cohesive trilogy.
     

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