Documentary/Biopic Leaving Neverland Discussion Thread

[Robbie008]

I performed a search and didn't see a topic for this movie yet. If there is one, please feel free to delete this thread. I just watched the 2nd chapter, and I found it really compelling. It invigorated a good discussion among my family around this highly under-reported issue. I'm a loner... an introvert.. so why can I count on two hands the amount of people I've known who have been sexually abused as children?

The film also brings up issues of credibility. Critics ask, why did these 'victims' change their story? I think many of us can appreciate that this is actually the norm - victims tend to blame themselves, and tend to be afraid to speak out against their victimizer.

So for me, I felt their testimony in the movie to be compelling and convincing. What did everyone else think?

Michael is innocent. As a psychologist, I believe he had Arrested Psychological Development. This was caused by trauma he suffered throughout his childhood, for example, the pressures of being famous at a very young age, and the mental & physical abuse he suffered from his father.

Psychologically, Michael never developed past ages 13-14. This will explain his childlike behaviour in later adult life. He was taken advantage of, by people around him, for monetary purposes and monetary gain. He was an easy target.

WE ALL NEED TO DEMAND PUBLIC ACCESS TO MICHAEL'S MENTAL HEALTH RECORDS. This will explain a lot to us, and
answer many questions.

 

[blueharvest]

‘Leaving Neverland 2: Surviving Michael Jackson’ To Premiere On Real Stories YouTube Channel In U.S.

'Leaving Neverland 2: Surviving Michael Jackson' will premiere on the Real Stories YouTube channel in America under a Little Dot Studios deal.

deadline.com

 

[Arnold Rimmer]

Oh for heaven’s sake, they’re doing a sequel to this trash? Another documentary with zero evidence and more bogus accusations from 2 greedy people who already have been proven as liars. And it’s borderline hilarious that this is going straight to YouTube as that grifter of a director couldn’t get anyone to pick this up after HBO got in trouble over the last one.

Guys, please don’t watch this. The last documentary was nothing more than false claims that can be easily disproven with a simple Google search. This is just going to be more of that. They’re doing this because of the biopic out later this year.

 

[blueharvest]

‘Leaving Neverland 2’ Trailer: Sequel Follows James Safechuck & Wade Robson’s Fight For Justice After Accusing Michael Jackson Of Sexual Assault

Channel 4 has dropped a trailer for ‘Leaving Neverland 2: Surviving Michael Jackson.’ The sequel documentary premieres on March 18.

deadline.com

 

[Arnold Rimmer]

Me to the jerkass director of this lying, exploitative piece of crap:



Guys, the last documentary was a nothing burger full of holes in the baseless accusations. This is just going to be the same thing. The fact that it’s straight to YouTube should show how desperate the director is. Don’t watch it.

 

[Lily Adler]

 

[Arnold Rimmer]

Gee, wonder why it’s “gone”? Oh right, it was proven to be a pack of lies.

 

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The first documentary was hard to watch, these guys went through horrors beyond belief, but I'll watch the sequel eventually.

 

[Arnold Rimmer]

The first documentary was hard to watch, these guys went through horrors beyond belief, but I'll watch the sequel eventually.

You’re really gonna buy this bull****? Jimmy Safechuck and Wade Robson have been proven MULTIPLE TIMES IN COURT as lying scumbags out for money! No sane person believes them! Look it up! Wade especially has been debunked on many of his claims. He defended MJ for years and ONLY changed his tune when he was declined participation in the MJ Cirque Du Solei project for Vegas. And he just so happened to be hard up for money at the time. Gee, I wonder why he then started making up lies about being molested?

For example, Robson accused MJ of molesting him at Euro Disneyland in 1988….when that park didn’t even open till a year later in 1992! The last Leaving Neverland doc supposedly showed Robson burning his MJ memorablia….when in reality he had auctioned off that stuff years ago. Do you see my point?

Really pisses me off that people don’t want to be bothered doing research and blindly believe stuff that’s been proven false.

EDIT: I’m just gonna leave this here for more info:

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Michael Jackson was a child rapist. Come up with all the conspiracies you like because you don't want to believe it. But the man was a monstrous pedophile. The victims being messy people with exploitative parents (who are guilty of allowing them to be in the situation in the first place) does not change anything. Jackson gets an undue amount of "Well, maybe..." compared to other blatantly guilty celebrity predators because people are still desperate to believe he was innocent.

 

[Arnold Rimmer]

Michael Jackson was a child rapist. Come up with all the conspiracies you like because you don't want to believe it. But the man was a monstrous pedophile. The victims being messy people with exploitative parents (who are guilty of allowing them to be in the situation in the first place) does not change anything. Jackson gets an undue amount of "Well, maybe..." compared to other blatantly guilty celebrity predators because people are still desperate to believe he was innocent.

You’re believing lies. I literally just linked an article with detailed evidence debunking this stupid myth and you refuse to listen. Jackson was investigated multiple times and Neverland was all but turned inside out and they never found anything. And he was proven not guilty 20 years ago this year. This stupid “sequel documentary” is only being forced into existence because of the movie this year. I try and fact-check and I get bull**** like this. It feels like some people on here don’t want to listen to reason.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

You’re believing lies. I literally just linked an article with detailed evidence debunking this stupid myth and you refuse to listen. Jackson was investigated multiple times and Neverland was all but turned inside out and they never found anything. And he was proven not guilty 20 years ago this year. This stupid “sequel documentary” is only being forced into existence because of the movie this year. I try and fact-check and I get bull**** like this. It feels like some people on here don’t want to listen to reason.

Ahh yes, because every single child abuser fills their house with easily findable evidence of their pedophilia. It is literally impossible that someone might be, you know, careful (and how careful Jackson was is in fact detailed in the testimony of his victims).

There is a cottage industry of pretending to debunk this documentary based around the victims being imperfect. Rapists get off all the time, especially rich powerful ones - Jackson is no different from every other powerful rapist out there.

 

[Arnold Rimmer]

Ahh yes, because every single child abuser fills their house with easily findable evidence of their pedophilia. It is literally impossible that someone might be, you know, careful (and how careful Jackson was is in fact detailed in the testimony of his victims).

There is a cottage industry of pretending to debunk this documentary based around the victims being imperfect. Rapists get off all the time, especially rich powerful ones - Jackson is no different from every other powerful rapist out there.

You make me sick. Probably a MAGA head to boot and believes in QAnon.

I have half a mind to leave this ****ing forum. Buncha thick-headed snobs who don’t like anything.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

You make me sick. Probably a MAGA head to boot and believes in QAnon.

I have half a mind to leave this ****ing forum. Buncha thick-headed snobs who don’t like anything.

Great! Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Not a single solitary one of us will miss you.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Seriously. Do I know for sure that Jackson is guilty? No. Do I believe that he was? Yes. But even if I was on the fence about it, I highly doubt guys like Arnie here would sway me when their arguments can mostly be boiled down to “Jackson’s accusers were 100% fake because they got some details wrong about things that happened when they were kids and they haven’t led perfect lives and if you don’t like it you’re an idiot conspiracy theorist!” Good God.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Remember, kids, if people have an atrocity committed against them and then proceed to be damaged, imperfect people then they are lying scumbags!

 

[Da-Scribe]

Always a special thing when you can bear witness to a poster crashing out before their inevitable ban.

 

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[DarthSkywalker]

Look what you started!

When it comes to Jackson, I can understand why both sides believe what they believe. This doesn't mean I agree with both. I'll just never be able to get past the alarm system or SLEEPING WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS IN THE SAME BED. I know he didn't have a normal childhood. That doesn't cover that.

 

[Lily Adler]

I did not expect that posting news about this would turn into this...

 

[Mani-Man]

Thats one way to crash out.

Anyway, im with @DarthSkywalker on this.
There are arguments to be made on both sides, but it is still a incredible questionable thing that he slept with other peoples kids in the same bed.
Even if he would have been good friends with the parents i would question it.
If he wouldnt have been Michael Jackson, would the parents have allowed it then? I doubt it.