Superman Returns Lex Luthor's True Characterization Expanded On (Hes not doing a homage to Hackman)

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Q. Many people love the first hour-and-a-half of "Superman: The Movie," which is somber and reverent — but have mixed reviews for the more overtly comical second half. Which leads me to ask how you guys are handling Lex Luthor.

MD: That was always one of the hardest parts about the film, finding the right tone for Lex.

Q. I can imagine.

MD: Because as much as we enjoyed Gene Hackman’s performance, there was a large segment of the population that — even though they enjoyed it — was like, “Can we get a more serious and menacing villain here?”

DH: That’s one of the most fun parts of this movie — getting into Lex Luthor’s head. We know Hackman’s classic performance, and when he was on, he was really on — but some of the comedy doesn’t work nowadays. It’s a little dated and over-the-top. How do we change that character and move him forward?
Well, Lex Luthor’s been in prison, because of Superman, for five years — and it’s really hardened him and darkened him. There’s still that hint of witty Lex, but this time around he’s a sadist out for revenge. It’s a much scarier side of Lex Luthor.

MD: He’s much more menacing — but at the same time, he enjoys what he does. You want to like the guy. You want to hang out with him. He’s not as grim as someone like Magneto, say, or as serious or heavy-handed. He’s a little bit of everything: We have a bit of the scientist and a bit of the politician. Definitely the criminal mastermind.

DH: He’s still a capitalist … but there’s a lot more that comes with his plan — and the way he interacts with Superman.

MD: And we had to throw in a dash of comedy — but black comedy.

Q. Some recent comics have explored Luthor’s motivation a little more, and given him a very valid point of view: Superman is an alien being. Maybe we shouldn’t trust him.

DH: Yeah. In this movie, someone says, “Well, you’re not a god, Lex.” And he says, “No, I’m not a god. Gods are selfish little beings who fly around in red capes and don’t share their powers with mankind.”

Q. Is Spacey doing an homage to Hackman’s performance at all, or…?

DH: He’s taking it his own way. It’s hard for me to talk about Kevin’s motivations, but I know what ended up onscreen. It’s a hardened, scarier Lex. We see hints of the Lex we love, but there’s a darker side. Something changed this guy, and he’s a real threat now. Not that he wasn’t before — but I think people are going to be afraid for that confrontation between Superman and Lex Luthor that finally happens, because it’s so built up.

http://www.infocusmag.com/06june/supermanuncut.htm


So he has serious motivations, dark, sadistical, criminal mastermind.....part scientist/part politician.....but hes also entertaining and enjoys being an assh0le. Sounds good.
 
Just curious... Was there a thread posted for this entire article?

Its pretty awesome. Clears up alot about how SR is written.
 
He seems to be doing both,at times he looks and appears to be cold and ruthless,other times he seems like a panto villain IMO
 
Why do so many people misunderstand Hackman's Luthor. There was nothing campy about him. It was the people around him.
 
hunter rider said:
He seems to be doing both,at times he looks and appears to be cold and ruthless,other times he seems like a panto villain IMO

Yeah, in some scenes he looks like really serious and cold enemy for Supes. In others he looks a bit psychiotic and funny.

But I think we will get more serious Luthor in frilm. They just dont want to show him serious much in trailers, because trailers are made for not only promoting, but also for fun and ppl's interest :) :up:
 
Jakomus said:
Why do so many people misunderstand Hackman's Luthor. There was nothing campy about him. It was the people around him.
You wouldn't say his exaggerated buffoonery in some scenes was campy ?
 
hunter rider said:
You wouldn't say his exaggerated buffoonery in some scenes was campy ?
There was no exagerrated buffoonery from Lex, that's my point. What exactly did Lex do in S: Tm that was campy to you?
 
Jakomus said:
There was no exagerrated buffoonery from Lex, that's my point. What exactly did Lex do in S: Tm that was campy to you?

His wigs and manner of talking. But I think Otis was making the whole campy thing. He was making Luthot to look campy.
 
Lex was campy back then.....but then again, so was Chris Reeve's Superman and Clark.

Its a different deal with SR.
 
Jakomus said:
There was no exagerrated buffoonery from Lex, that's my point. What exactly did Lex do in S: Tm that was campy to you?

The very delivery of his lines was all OTT pantomime style acting,Boo Hiss villany for kids IMO
 
Kane said:
Q. Many people love the first hour-and-a-half of "Superman: The Movie," which is somber and reverent — but have mixed reviews for the more overtly comical second half. Which leads me to ask how you guys are handling Lex Luthor.

MD: That was always one of the hardest parts about the film, finding the right tone for Lex.

Q. I can imagine.

MD: Because as much as we enjoyed Gene Hackman’s performance, there was a large segment of the population that — even though they enjoyed it — was like, “Can we get a more serious and menacing villain here?”

DH: That’s one of the most fun parts of this movie — getting into Lex Luthor’s head. We know Hackman’s classic performance, and when he was on, he was really on — but some of the comedy doesn’t work nowadays. It’s a little dated and over-the-top. How do we change that character and move him forward?
Well, Lex Luthor’s been in prison, because of Superman, for five years — and it’s really hardened him and darkened him. There’s still that hint of witty Lex, but this time around he’s a sadist out for revenge. It’s a much scarier side of Lex Luthor.

MD: He’s much more menacing — but at the same time, he enjoys what he does. You want to like the guy. You want to hang out with him. He’s not as grim as someone like Magneto, say, or as serious or heavy-handed. He’s a little bit of everything: We have a bit of the scientist and a bit of the politician. Definitely the criminal mastermind.

DH: He’s still a capitalist … but there’s a lot more that comes with his plan — and the way he interacts with Superman.

MD: And we had to throw in a dash of comedy — but black comedy.

Q. Some recent comics have explored Luthor’s motivation a little more, and given him a very valid point of view: Superman is an alien being. Maybe we shouldn’t trust him.

DH: Yeah. In this movie, someone says, “Well, you’re not a god, Lex.” And he says, “No, I’m not a god. Gods are selfish little beings who fly around in red capes and don’t share their powers with mankind.”

Q. Is Spacey doing an homage to Hackman’s performance at all, or…?

DH: He’s taking it his own way. It’s hard for me to talk about Kevin’s motivations, but I know what ended up onscreen. It’s a hardened, scarier Lex. We see hints of the Lex we love, but there’s a darker side. Something changed this guy, and he’s a real threat now. Not that he wasn’t before — but I think people are going to be afraid for that confrontation between Superman and Lex Luthor that finally happens, because it’s so built up.

http://www.infocusmag.com/06june/supermanuncut.htm


So he has serious motivations, dark, sadistical, criminal mastermind.....part scientist/part politician.....but hes also entertaining and enjoys being an assh0le. Sounds good.
Yeah, well, I seen bits of this darker Lex in the "tell me everything" scene and when he stabs Supes and says "now fly!" I still have a hard time with the scene with Lois, but maybe it works in context.
 
hunter rider said:
The very delivery of his lines was all OTT pantomime style acting,Boo Hiss villany for kids IMO
Yeah, and the lines themselves were kinda silly, "I´m one of the greatest criminal minds of our times"... He was kind of like the villains from the Adam West Batman show, he just didn´t jump around and cackle.
 
hunter rider said:
The very delivery of his lines was all OTT pantomime style acting,Boo Hiss villany for kids IMO
No it wasnt. In fact it was very similar to what we've seen Spacey do in the trailers. Go watch S:tM again.
 
Jakomus said:
No it wasnt. In fact it was very similar to what we've seen Spacey do in the trailers. Go watch S:tM again.
.......
 
ultimatefan said:
Yeah, and the lines themselves were kinda silly, "I´m one of the greatest criminal minds of our times"... He was kind of like the villains from the Adam West Batman show, he just didn´t jump around and cackle.
You conveniently forgot thse lines:

"We all have our little faults, Suprman. Mine's in california."

"No, by causing the deaths of millions of innocent people"

"Bye, bye, California"

All of those lines showed menace. All reminiscent of what Spacey shows in the trailers.

If Hackman is campy, then so is Spacey.
 
Kane said:
Q. Many people love the first hour-and-a-half of "Superman: The Movie," which is somber and reverent — but have mixed reviews for the more overtly comical second half. Which leads me to ask how you guys are handling Lex Luthor.

MD: That was always one of the hardest parts about the film, finding the right tone for Lex.

Q. I can imagine.

MD: Because as much as we enjoyed Gene Hackman’s performance, there was a large segment of the population that — even though they enjoyed it — was like, “Can we get a more serious and menacing villain here?”

DH: That’s one of the most fun parts of this movie — getting into Lex Luthor’s head. We know Hackman’s classic performance, and when he was on, he was really on — but some of the comedy doesn’t work nowadays. It’s a little dated and over-the-top. How do we change that character and move him forward?
Well, Lex Luthor’s been in prison, because of Superman, for five years — and it’s really hardened him and darkened him. There’s still that hint of witty Lex, but this time around he’s a sadist out for revenge. It’s a much scarier side of Lex Luthor.

MD: He’s much more menacing — but at the same time, he enjoys what he does. You want to like the guy. You want to hang out with him. He’s not as grim as someone like Magneto, say, or as serious or heavy-handed. He’s a little bit of everything: We have a bit of the scientist and a bit of the politician. Definitely the criminal mastermind.

DH: He’s still a capitalist … but there’s a lot more that comes with his plan — and the way he interacts with Superman.

MD: And we had to throw in a dash of comedy — but black comedy.

Q. Some recent comics have explored Luthor’s motivation a little more, and given him a very valid point of view: Superman is an alien being. Maybe we shouldn’t trust him.

DH: Yeah. In this movie, someone says, “Well, you’re not a god, Lex.” And he says, “No, I’m not a god. Gods are selfish little beings who fly around in red capes and don’t share their powers with mankind.”

Q. Is Spacey doing an homage to Hackman’s performance at all, or…?

DH: He’s taking it his own way. It’s hard for me to talk about Kevin’s motivations, but I know what ended up onscreen. It’s a hardened, scarier Lex. We see hints of the Lex we love, but there’s a darker side. Something changed this guy, and he’s a real threat now. Not that he wasn’t before — but I think people are going to be afraid for that confrontation between Superman and Lex Luthor that finally happens, because it’s so built up.

http://www.infocusmag.com/06june/supermanuncut.htm


So he has serious motivations, dark, sadistical, criminal mastermind.....part scientist/part politician.....but hes also entertaining and enjoys being an assh0le. Sounds good.



ahh this is excellent . i watched superman and superman 2 yesterday and altho there awesom i am glad spaceys taking lex down a darker route.
 
Jakomus said:
Is that disbelief from the fact you were so wrong? ;)

no it's what i do when someone tries to force their view on me:)
 
hunter rider said:
no it's what i do when someone tries to force their view on me:)
Who's forcing? I'm just defending my view.
 
Jakomus said:
Who's forcing? I'm just defending my view.
You told me to go and watch STM again as if it somehow would be different than the previous 20 times Ive seen it and i would suddenly agree with you,when a debate takes that stance i think it becomes circular and therefore it becomes two ppl repeating their view over and over in the effort to get someone else worn down enough to change their mind through weariness
 
hunter rider said:
I agree.i think they both have a campness to them

We cant judge him now, we should wait for June 27th.

Anyway, I think Hackman was camp, but Spacey will be more serious.
 
Cinemaman said:
We cant judge him now, we should wait for June 27th.

Anyway, I think Hackman was camp, but Spacey will be more serious.

We can't judge the entire perfomance certainly but we can judge scenes we see in the trailers,i see some sinister Lex but i alos see a pantomime Lex as well
 
hunter rider said:
We can't judge the entire perfomance certainly but we can judge scenes we see in the trailers,i see some sinister Lex but i alos see a pantomime Lex as well

Yep, I will agree with you ;)
 

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