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I decided to start this thread upon seeing that ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ thread largely branching off into discussing LGBTQ films overall.

LGBTQ films began as “closeted” films with LGBTQ protagonists and characters that hid this from the audience. The earliest example, that I know of, being ‘Rebel Without A Cause’ in 1955 where Jim was, likely, bisexual and Plato is gay.

Many films with LGBTQ protagonists today are independently made, however there were a couple mainstream films in the 90s such as ‘Birdcage’ and ‘In & Out.’

‘Love Simon’ was the first mainstream film for years that featured a gay protagonist. At box office it quickly became the top third teen romance film (that’s not Twilight) at the domestic box office. After the film’s success, Becky’s next teen gay romance book ‘What If It’s Us’ was picked up by Anonymous Content and Paramount acquired ‘Gay Kid and Fat Chick’ which can be likened to ‘Kick Ass.’ Hopefully, this will begin a wave of many more LGBTQ movies to come.

While there’s been debate over “straight actors” playing lgbtq roles, this isn’t necessarily the case. Hollywood, although people mistakenly view it as being very liberal, is still deeply closeted which makes it a risk when an actor comes out. For example, from working at Warners I overheard a casting department state Matt Bomer was the leading choice for Superman but the studio wanted someone else because he’s gay. In other cases, many actors only get the courage to come out after they’ve been in a lgbtq film such as Keiynan Lonsdale and Lucas Hedges this year. There’s no way in telling which roles are an aren’t being portrayed by lgbtq actors due to the still closeted nature of the Hollywood system.

For writers, it’s even difficult to truly write the stories you want to. Many lgbtq screenwriters, such as myself, straightwash our stories to ensure that they can sell; this has less to do with choice and more to do with a forced choice due to how difficult it is to get these films made. With studios taking more chances, writers are becoming more hopeful they can tell the kinds of stories they want to tell. Due to a growing diverse marketplace I feel safe in primarily focusing on telling films with bi characters, which is what I know best.

Sometimes LGBTQ content is edited out of movies in order to make the character straight, such as ’54.’

Most LGBTQ movies are known to be depressing and to have sad endings. Contrary to boy meets girl films, most boy meets boy films end with the couple breaking up or one to both of them dying, primarily due to AIDS (although it can sometimes be due to a hate crime or suicide). This is what makes LGBTQ films with happy endings stand out.

Similar to films with heterosexual protagonists, there’s all kinds of films with LGBTQ protagonists. There’s romance, drama, political, comedy, and even spy thrillers. Hopefully in the future there will be horror, action, science-fiction, and adventure movies as well. This year marked the FIRST time an action film with an LGBTQ protagonist was made, albeit animated – DC’s ‘Ray.’

Another issue, which has mainly been in the states, is tokenism. In the past, LGBTQ characters were just presented as a GBF or flamboyant with little variance. It gives off the false impression that all LGBTQ people are inherently the same and these stereotypes sometimes complicate the coming-out process (Ryan Phillipe’s coming-out scene in ‘One Life To Live’ captured this perfectly). This primarily started to change in the states about ten years ago when LGBTQ characters were allowed to be more diverse whether this is flamboyant or masculine such as Deran Cody in the series ‘Animal Kingdom’ (‘Animal Kingdom’ marks, to my knowledge, the first time a show primarily geared towards all men had a gay main character – ‘Animal Kingdom’ premiered in 2016).

MY STAND OUT MOVIES WITH LGBTQ PROTAGONISTS:

SUPERHERO

‘Ray’ is based on the DC hero and a spin off from the Berlanti-verse.


ROMANTIC

‘A Moment In The Reeds’ is a tender romantic film centering around a young Finn and a Syrian asylum seeker that also delves into cultural differences between Finland and Syria.

‘Call Me By Your Name’ is a poetic film about two bisexual, or gay, men over a summer in Italy.

‘Love Simon’ is the first mainstream teen rom-com produced by a major studio, based off the hit book ‘Simon And The Homosapien Agenda.’ Akin to John Hughes movies of the 80s.

‘God’s Own Country’ described as the British ‘Brokeback Mountain,’ the film details two young men falling in love while tending to a farm.

‘Just A Question Of Love’ is a romantically sweeping French film about a closeted young man finding his place and falling in love.

‘The Sum Of Us’ is one of Russel Crowe’s first movies and is based off a stage-play by the same name.

‘Shelter’ is about an aspiring artist falling for his friend’s older brother as the ride the waves in California.

‘Hidden Away’ depicts a young Spanish teen falling for an undocumented immigrant and the political struggles that the both face; very poignant with today’s xenophobic world.

‘Boys’ is a coming-of-age story from the Netherlands about a teenage relay racer finding his identity and falling in love.

‘Beautiful Thing’ is based on a stage-play by the same name and can be likened to a John Hughes film.


DRAMA


‘Boy Erased’ depicts the horrors of gay conversion “therapy.”

‘Kill Your Darlings’ revolves around the life and times of a young Allen Ginsberg.

‘Closet Monster’ shows the horrors that come from internalized homophobia.

‘Beach Rats’ is about a young sex worker struggling to find his place in a homophobic world.

‘Prayers For Bobby’ is the true story about Bobby Griffith and the journey of his mother, Mary, in going from not accepting her son to an advocate for LGBTQ rights.

‘Moonlight’ depicts the struggles of being black, working-class, and gay.

‘1985’ is a quiet film about a closeted young man returning home for the holidays with the knowledge that he’s soon going to die from AIDS.


POLITICAL

‘Milk’ depicts the life and times of Harvey Milk.

‘Pride’ revolves around LGBTQ activists lending support to striking miners in 1984 Wales.

‘The Normal Heart’ A tragic political thriller about the AIDS epidemic by Larry Kramer.

‘Kinsey’ shows the study of sex as conducted by Alfred Kinsey.

‘Philadelphia’ is a court room AIDS drama with powerful performances from Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington.


COMEDY

‘4th Man Out’ is a Judd Apatow comedy about a group of young men and their friend who just came out of the closet.

‘Get Real’ is a coming-of-age rom com reminiscent of John Hughes films.

‘Ideal Home’ is a hilarious Paul Rudd and Steve Coogan film about gay dads. Akin to ‘Big Daddy.’

‘The Birdcage’ is a classic LGBTQ comedy starring the one, and only, Robin Williams.


THRILLER

‘The Imitation Game’ centers around Alan Turning cracking Nazi codes.

‘Dog Day Afternoon’ is a classic bank heist film starring Al Pacino.


SPORTS

‘Handsome Devil’ depicts a young rugby player and musician meeting, becoming friends, and having to contend with homophobia in the world of sports.


MUSICAL

‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ is the first mainstream musical biopic to feature an LGBTQ artist.


LESBIAN/BISEXUAL

‘Rafiki’ is a film about the struggles the LGBTQ community faces in Kenya where the film is currently banned.

‘The Miseducation Of Cameron Post’ revolves around gay conversion “therapy,” but from a lighter angle. Akin to a John Hughes film.

'Battle Of The Sexes' presents the true story of Billie Jean King.


TRANS

‘The Danish Girl’ revolves around the true story of Lili Ebe.

‘Three Generations’ a mother and grandmother contend with their ftm teenager who’s on the path towards transitioning.

‘Just Charlie’ is an eye-opening drama about a young mtf teenager who’s contending with a transphobic family and school (this is my favorite out of all the trans movies I've seen).

 
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Great idea for a thread. I never heard the speculation before that Jim was bisexual in Rebel Without a Cause, though. Are you sure that didn't just come up because James Dean and Sal Mineo were both bi or gay and Plato appears to have an attraction towards Jim, but I never got the impression that Jim saw Plato as anything more than a friend. It's been a long time since I've watched it though.
 
Great idea for a thread. I never heard the speculation before that Jim was bisexual in Rebel Without a Cause, though. Are you sure that didn't just come up because James Dean and Sal Mineo were both bi or gay and Plato appears to have an attraction towards Jim, but I never got the impression that Jim saw Plato as anything more than a friend. It's been a long time since I've watched it though.

“Ray was aware of Dean’s bisexuality and encouraged the actor to use it in certain scenes. Dean instructed Mineo, “Look at me the way I look at Natalie,” for their intimate scene in the Getty mansion. It had to be subtle. A Production Code officer had written in a memo to Jack L. Warner on March 22, “It is of course vital that there be no inference of a questionable or homosexual relationship between Plato and Jim.””

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It’s still there though, just subtly in a way that studio heads wouldn’t catch. A love triangle, if you will, with an open relationship. It’s reminiscent to the film ‘Dare.’
 
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Interesting. I'll have to watch it again now. I remember reading similar stuff about Ben-Hur, in which Gore Vidal instructed Stephen Boyd to play Messala as Ben-Hur's jilted ex-lover but kept Charlton Heston in the dark about it and it of course had to be subtle given the time period.
 
In the book of Marathon Man, Doc and Janey (played by Roy Scheider and William Devane in the movie) are homosexual lovers, but in the movie it's not overt. However, it is subtly implied when Doc calls Janey on the phone early on (before we see Janey and know he's a man) and very warmly says "I missed you", and "get your ass over here" (to his hotel room), and "screw appearances".
 
I def notice a bias. This was a wonderful discussion we had in the BR thread on the topic. But to sum up what I said there, movies rarely show casually LGBTQ characters. What I mean by that is when a character is LGBTQ, usually we're looking at an art film directly on the topic of being LGBTQ or it is a side character who is a stereotype. Think of Doctor Strange for example. He has a love interest. It's not central to the plot, but it is an aspect of his character that he is in love with Christine. You never see that same movie, same plot progression, same themes, etc. Only if say Doctor Strange had a male lover instead.

I am not LGBTQ myself, but someone close to me in my family is trans, so this is a subject I have considered a lot. I would like to see the world come closer to seeing these issues as just normal. But until the topic is treated as being normal in cinema and fiction as a whole, we won't quite get there. So I want to see something like a James Bond type character who is gay, but the character is treated like James Bond would be. But someone needs to be the first to take that leap.
 
I saw this trailer and for some reason initially thought it might be an lgbtq football movie. The trailer, somehow, made it out to be one for me - just if the brothers were boyfriends instead...

Here’s the trailer:



I’d just love to see an lgbtq football movie.
 
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I still remember being surprised by how much attention and positive reaction The Crying Game received. It’s still a pretty relevant film.
 
Jude Law said that the world is “ready for a gay Dumbledore” and believes that Fantastic Beasts 3 will be more explicit about his character’s sexuality. Sadly, I’ve not seen a great deal of LGBTQ cinema so I can’t speak with any accuracy on the matter - despite being bisexual myself.
 
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Jude Law said that the world is “ready for a gay Dumbledore” and believes that Fantastic Beasts 3 will be more explicit about his character’s sexuality. Sadly, I’ve not seen a great deal of LGBTQ cinema so I can’t speak with any accuracy on the matter - despite being bisexual myself.

I’m not going to hold my breath for Dumbledore’s sexuality to be acknowledged onscreen in any more than ambiguous low-key vague implications. I just don’t think they’re gonna go there.

Jude Law probably wouldn’t care, but the powers that be are still leery of box office adversely affected.
 
I’m not going to hold my breath for Dumbledore’s sexuality to be acknowledged onscreen in any more than ambiguous low-key vague implications. I just don’t think they’re gonna go there.

Jude Law probably wouldn’t care, but the powers that be are still leery of box office adversely affected.

Agreed. I would like to be wrong on this, though.
 
Jude Law probably wouldn’t care, but the powers that be are still leery of box office adversely affected.

True - but according to people who have seen Disney’s Jungle Cruise, that film does feature a legit coming out scene for its gay character: granted, it remains to be seen if that scene will be in the final film, but it’s a brave move for Disney. Mind you, I still don’t agree with other choices they’ve made with that character, but if Disney can do it, why not WB? (Obviously, many reasons, but merely expressing my hopes)
 
I saw this trailer and for some reason initially thought it might be an lgbtq football movie. The trailer, somehow, made it out to be one for me - just if the brothers were boyfriends instead...

Here’s the trailer:



I’d just love to see an lgbtq football movie.


I'd just love to see an out LGBTQ football player in the NFL. But sadly, after Michael Sam was barely given a chance, that will probably never happen unless it's some god-level talent. And even then, I could see the money-grubbing bigots that own EVERY NFL team not giving the kid a chance.
 

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