The Dark Knight Rises Life after Nolan: What comes next... - Part 1 Unless it's actually Part 2...o - Part 2

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[Llama_Shepherd]

I am the new director for the thread!!!

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

Adaptations of video games, cartoons, Killing Joke, directed by Zack Synder, the GREY COSTUME? Guys, come on. Have a little more imagination than that, please.

Just because Nolan is gone after TDKR, it doesn't mean his common sense and teachings on how to make the greatest Batman movies of all time (IMO) have to go with him.

I NEVER...NEVER...want to see another B&R again, as long as I live.
Okay, granted another director who comes in will have his own ideas and styles. But whoever that director may be, I just hope he remembers one thing...Christopher Nolan.

In future, I hope we see, not only a CLOSER influence to the comics, but also, a close inspiration from Nolan.

<b>That's exactly my point, man. We've had Nolan's realistic approach to Batman. Now, it's time for something different, perhaps a more comic faithful approach. I'm not saying we should get back to movies like B & R, but I certainly wouldn't want to see something so grounded on reality as the Nolan's flicks are, despite them being absolutely top quality.

 

[theman]

whats next? hopefully bringing the old-school batman back and none of this ultra-realism BS. make batman look like batman (no robocop suits), make joker look like joker (no facepaint, long hair and stupid "scar smile"), make catwoman look like catwoman (with cowl, whip and an actress that actually FITS the role), bring the original batmobile back (bat fins, roadster looking car, not a TANK) and all the neat batgadgets and vehicles, have gotham city look surreal and gothic, (not just chicago renamed "gotham" for a day) and ya know, a real BATCAVE, not a walmart garage.

 

[Blue Sugar]

whats next? bringing the old batman back and none of this ultra-realism BS. make batman look like batman (no robocop suits), make joker look like joker (no facepaint, long hair and stupid "scar smile"), make catwoman look like catwoman (with cowl, whip and an actress that actually FITS the role), bring the original batmobile back (bat fins, roadster looking car) and all the neat batgadgets and vehicles, have gotham city look surreal and gothic, (not just chicago renamed "gotham" for a day) and ya know, a real BATCAVE, not a walmart garage.

 

[Diamondhead]

Life after Nolan: What comes next... !!???
unemployment LOL

 

[JStorm]

Keep Batman's balls. . . as Bale said. (paraphrased)

That said, I wouldn't mind any direction. Each film, from West to Bale, carries something for every fan - movie goers and fanboys alike. Some people actually, honestly, liked Forever and B&R. Years ago, a girl I was dated saw shots of Bale as Batman - BB days: "Batman isn't suppose to be mad, he's happy." She was/is an average movie goer; a person that saw the older films and that was it. Considering she was a few years younger than me, her theater memories were Forever and B&R, which explained her reaction.

My point, she, like other friends, really enjoyed BB, yet maintained their love for the Schumacher spectacles.

It took me back, because I was so impressed with Nolan's version/vision and fanboyishly refreshed with seeing a Batman without nipples, more menacing and brooding, with kickassery all around. Conversly - I immediately understood that was MY opinion, not everyone's

In summation, as long as Batman has balls and a decent villain - or two - with a great story to back the movie up, these future movies could go in any direction.



All that blow-hearting to get to my idea of "Life after Nolan:"

Writers: Bruce Timm, Geoff Johns, JJ Abrams, or Joss Whedon. Or pick two to collaborate. All to be overseen by Jonah. Not to force the Nolanverse back into life, yet to keep **** from getting ugly.

Producer(s): Richard Donner, Jerry Bruckheimer, Kathryn Bigelow, Kevin Smith

Director of Photography: Jeff Cronenweth, Tak Fujimoto, or John Toll

Director: Tony Scott, Ben Affleck, Joel Coen, or David Fincher

Young Bruce: Josh Hutcherson
Bruce/Batman: Ben Barnes or Wentworth Miller

Gordon: Michael Biehn

Alfred: Jeremy Irons or John Cleese

YoungThomas Elliot: Logan Lerman
Hush: Eddie Redmayne or Rupert Friend

Black Mask: Karl Urban or James Franco

Killer Croc: Voice and body acting – Vin Diesel – CGI character

I would like the reboot to seem almost seamless, as in the ages of the characters. Keep the powerhouse-machine-money maker going, just tweak the vision, story, and look.

Warning - It's a bit of a read.

Spoiler

Kroc is a bit of any afterthought, mainly for sequel purposes and that I’m a big fan of opening fight scenes: kinda lets the audiences know the hero hasn’t been sitting around waiting for a sequel to be made.
The movie opens with Batman chasing someone/thing in the sewers of Gotham – Killer Croc. Badass fight, Croc is taken in, etc, etc.

I choose young adults as teens for two reasons, one for the story and two because we’ve never seen Bruce as a kid/teen really fleshed out. Obvious scenes can be taken or re-interpreted from the story “Hush,” or simple boarding school, teenage trouble making, taking classes, chasing girls, etc, between Tommy and Bruce. Tommy is called away – parents die – family fortune stolen by the lawyer, etc, etc – later blames Bruce because of what Bruce got to keep after Tommy’s misfortune: Alfred, money, the house, stayed in school. . . Tommy looses everything. This spurs Bruce to become MORE distance (leading into what we saw in the Nolan films). Then it can be understood they lost touch, hence not needing a reference for Tommy in the Nolaverse. Something like that – everyone gets the point.
Present-time Gotham: Batman is the understood guardian, the cops no longer chase him, fear him like they do in the comics and B:TAS, Gordon is Commissioner, etc.

The Mob is still a problem. No this isn’t another “I love Nolan” thing, it’s practical and logical. Batman always has a Mob issue. This time it’s Black Mask. Keeping with the socialite idea, Mask’s origin can be used lightly, parents jealous of the Waynes, etc. Considering Urban is much older looking than the other cast, one could assume even hating the birth of Bruce, him being perfect, with perfect parents with nothing to hide.

Mask’s rise can be subtle, again tying into what Joker and Bane did to the city – he’s just another tyrant looking for money and power. This time it’s not chaos or wanting to break the main character, it’s just pure Mob greed with more of a kick – more of a character. There’s rumors that Sionis is dirty, but he’s much to clever than the previous thugs. I hate to use the Marvel reference, but more like Kingpin. Rumors float about a “Black Mask” taking out the competition, small but still there. Gordon is more involved with investigating Sionis while Batman searches for the Black Mask that keeps murdering these small time thugs.

The closer Batman gets to the Black Mask, someone/thing always trips him up. A progression of character grows between Sionis and Mask as both Batman and Gordon get closer. Indicative of Chess – the idea at least – in “The Cape” we see a business man strongly with a personal past, trying to resolve it by using the Mask, yet struggling to keep them separate. The two become one when Gordon arrests Sionis for *name a legit arrest*. We watch Sionis slowly turn into Mask, without the Mask, behind bars, yet still maintaining a bit of himself trying to fight his way out of jail via the Legal System.

Thomas Elliot – a powerful Attorney enters. Confusing Bruce, because he is whole-heartly trying to prove Sionis is innocent – *insert some legal talk*: “CEO is innocent, wrongfully accused and arrested, sueing Gotham, etc, etc.” Yet all the while, Thomas befriends Bruce, tells him “this is my job,” while Bruce plays the confused/concerned role of old friend/precautious detective.

Scenes of Gotham clean for a while, no major threats, Batman patrolling fighting minor crimes, stopping small-time-hoods, driving the streets of Gotham,etc. In and out of these scenes – Sionis on trial, the new friendship of Thomas and Bruce, Batman and Gordon still meeting, etc. A real feel of calm, yet both Gordon and Batman feel it’s more a “calm before the storm.”
Sionis is released – case dismissed on DA negligence, etc.

Sionis is standing in his office, looking over Gotham, sipping wine and smoking a cigar. The black mask it dropped on his desk with no one there. A voice speaks to Sionis telling asking him if he’s sick of fighting his past, wanting to shed his childhood trauma. Sionis slowly turns in and out of Sionis/Black Mask as he gives answers to this voice. The voice tells Sionis of a boy who lost as much as he did and how he embraced his destiny. Out of the shadow walks in Hush. A shocked Sionis reaches for a gun, Hush disappears, Sionis hears from the Shadows “why don’t you just shoot yourself.”

Fade to black – gun shot.

Fade in – Sionis is now wearing the Black Mask, standing over a silohette-style of Sionis’ body.

Fade to black – cars crashing, screaming, etc.

Fade in – Hush standing over a teenage Thomas Elliot, from behind almost in at a distance, while the audience sees a young man crying in the Head Masters office.

Fade to black – two gun shots – voice over as the camera raises over Bruce and his parents: “Now doesn’t that make more sense?”
Fade in – reflections of Black Mask and Hush in the window of Sionis’ office, looking up at the bat signal.

The camera rolls over the city up to the signal. Voice over: “It’s time.”
Gotham in disarray, Batman searching for this Black Mask, still getting tripped up by an unknown person. Black Mask and Hush’s theme is more along the lines of confusing Batman, rather than the Chaos/Joker Motif or the Breaking Batman-Bruce/Bane motif.

More murders happen of Black Mask’s completion, leaving Gordon and his men caught between doing their job and a little at ease that said scum is wiping each other out. Batman and Gordon are convinced that this Black Mask is behind it, unable to find such a man, while any ‘finger-pointing’ thrown Sionis’ way is thwarted by Thomas Elliot.

Gordon gets strong evidence that Sionis is behind these murders and possibly Black Mask. Legal matters are involved, Elliot gets wind of the news, goes to Gordon’s house – a la the Killing Joke – and shoots Gordon as Hush.
Knowing of the Sionis/Black Mask news, Batman rushes to Sionis’ office, not knowing Gordon has been shot. Confronts Sionis, already wearing the Black Mask, embracing said mask, telling Batman all of this was inevitable. Batman and Mask fight, to have mask shot – presumably died – by a sniper. Batman looks through the window to finally see the man who has thwarted him this entire time, across the way atop the adjacent high-rise: Hush.
Jumping out of the window and grappling up to the high-rise, shots of Hush running the roof tops away. Shots of Batman chasing, Hush a bit ahead, screaming memories only Bruce and Thomas would know of.
The chase ends on the street where the Elliot’s car crash happened. Hush still reciting memories. Bruce asks him “why?” Elliot says “best friends share everything, Bruce. . in life and death.” Hush and Batman fight.

Hush get’s away, stating from the shadows as Batman is hunched over, “do you still cry yourself to sleep, Bruce?”
Shoots of Gordon on the ground in his home. Shoots of Sionis on the ground of his office. Back to Batman still hunched over, all to scream aloud “TOMMY!!!!”

Batcave – suit on, cowl off, Batman talking to Alfred about what Tommy has done. Heavy noise from atop the cave (Wayne Manor). Bruce puts on the cowl and says to Alfred “He didn’t run. . . he wanted the fight to end here.”
Wayne Manor landscape – Hush with a rocket launcher, having already destroyed one wing of the Manor, Batman walking out of a side entrance of the cave, Hush standing over the Wayne’s grave. “You were supposed to kill me, Bruce. . . I need to die at their place of rest.” Batman tries to rationalize with his old friend. “I can settle with you dying where they rest.”

Hush and Batman fight.

Standing over a beaten Hush, Elliot takes off his mask and asks Bruce to kill him. No words are said. The scene ends with “I miss them so much.” Camera pans up, looking down at Batman and Hush, a quick shot of a Young Bruce and Thomas comes in – Thomas close to Bruce – a memory of two friends, Thomas consoling a teenage Bruce as he cries over his parent’s grave.

Fade to black – Bruce to Thomas – “me too, old friend.”

Rooftop – Gordon in a sling – Bat signal up – Batman enters.

Gordon: “Have you found any connection? What drove Elliot to this madness?”

Batman: “You wouldn’t understand.”

Gordon – takes off his glasses – rubs his eyes – as he sighs and says “try me.” Gordon looks up and Batman is gone.

 

[Rodrigo90]

If MOS is a success, then the new Batman franchise has to co-exist in a world with Synder's Superman. That will obviously go onto a JLA movie.

So I imagine the new franchise looking like GL and MOS, but loosening its firm realistic Nolan policy. So expect to see a film that works and looks like Nolan's movies, but with villains as flamboyant as Clayface, Poison Ivy, and a permawhite Joker, etc.

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

whats next? hopefully bringing the old-school batman back and none of this ultra-realism BS. make batman look like batman (no robocop suits), make joker look like joker (no facepaint, long hair and stupid "scar smile"), make catwoman look like catwoman (with cowl, whip and an actress that actually FITS the role), bring the original batmobile back (bat fins, roadster looking car, not a TANK) and all the neat batgadgets and vehicles, have gotham city look surreal and gothic, (not just chicago renamed "gotham" for a day) and ya know, a real BATCAVE, not a walmart garage.

 

[Inside23]

How about a return to comic book style, ive hated the 'real world' style....its just not batman

 

[Reality]

Have to agree with Batman going back to his creative and stylish roots. The realism thing was fresh and different but perhaps a director that can marry both worlds? Ridley Scott maybe?

 

[terry78]

Add a little of the supernatural back to it, ambiguous or not. I mean Clayface, Poison Ivy, etc.

 

[DRMRSIR]

anything that puts killer croc on the big screen will be allright with me

 

[seifergt]

I think I sympathize with a lot of people, I want a merge of the real and comic. I want the joker and two face back. Maybe in this new direction they can bring joker back, and since it will be different they can use a more classic type joker, that way people won't be upset with someone trying to recreate Ledger.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

The thing is, Joker is going to be associated with Ledger for a while, I would go for makeup again, but in the style of the classic Joker.

What I desperately want is a batsuit with the classic colour layout. And Robin.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I'd like to see a return to a gritty more fantastical style. Maybe feature Clayface as the villain to set it apart from the Nolan films at the get-go.

 

[SpiderVS.Evil]

How about a return to comic book style, ive hated the 'real world' style....its just not batman

This, I'd love this 100%

 

[TheBatman072]

Man, I bet some of you HATED Batman: Year One.

Because that story is about 1000 times more "realistic" than Batman Begins and TDK.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Mentions Superman= less realistic than Nolan flicks.

 

[General Vulcun]

How about a return to comic book style, ive hated the 'real world' style....its just not batman

I present to you one of the most realistic, and arguably one of the best Batman stories ever told.

I think it's fine to prefer another take on Batman, but from some of the posts I get the feeling that some think a "realistic" Batman is Nolan's invention, that he forced this on Batman, which is far from the case. Realism is just as valid as the more gothic and campy interpretations. It's a style that's been used in the comics for a long time, and when you look at the most acclaimed Batman stories, like Year One and The Dark Knight Returns, they are done in this style. Hell, even a story like The Long Halloween, even with its more stylized art, is one I'd consider realistic; aside from a couple elements like Poison Ivy and Solomon Grundy, TLH is basically a crime saga like TDK. A more realistic Batman may not be preferable to some, but in general it's nothing to sneeze at, and certainly isn't BS.

Anyways, after Nolan is done it doesn't really matter to me what the style is. Just get a quality filmmaker with a passion for the character and let them make their film.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I love what Nolan has done with the movies, and quite honestly, I don't want things to change that much. All I want to see are the things Nolan wouldn't do. I still want to see Batman in the real world setting, but don't want to see the characters fall into that realism.

For example, if Nolan wanted to do Clayface at some point, it would have been the original, Basil Karlo. A guy who went around as killer from his movie, nothing scientific or supernatural at all.

The thing I want to see...is something close to Nolan's world, but with the allowance of the unrealistic stuff. Not trying to make the characters AS realistic like before. Just unrealistc comic characters in a realistic world.

Cause in Nolan's world, you couldn't have the likes of Mr Freeze or Poison Ivy. I want to see a movie that looks and works like BB TDK and TDKR, but more closer to the comics. DAMN! is it hard to explain

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

^^this guy^^



Gets it.

 

[Mister Meddle]

I really want something with Nolan's story telling but Burton's costumes and visuals. Please give us a Mr. Freeze.

Turn the lights down a bit and tone down the realism.

 

[Travesty]

I love what Nolan has done with the movies, and quite honestly, I don't want things to change that much. All I want to see are the things Nolan wouldn't do. I still want to see Batman in the real world setting, but don't want to see the characters fall into that realism.

For example, if Nolan wanted to do Clayface at some point, it would have been the original, Basil Karlo. A guy who went around as killer from his movie, nothing scientific or supernatural at all.

The thing I want to see...is something close to Nolan's world, but with the allowance of the unrealistic stuff. Not trying to make the characters AS realistic like before. Just unrealistc comic characters in a realistic world.

Cause in Nolan's world, you couldn't have the likes of Mr Freeze or Poison Ivy. I want to see a movie that looks and works like BB TDK and TDKR, but more closer to the comics. DAMN! is it hard to explain

So just a current-time BTAS?