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BvS little things, details & thought you noticed
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I'll post this here as well:
When Batman carries knocked out Superman to toss him from the floor, camera passes next to a wall with a graffiti "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" - "who will guard the guards themselves?" in Latin, which goes in line with the theme of a political power and power in general, a main theme in the film and also serves as a hint to the "Who Watches the Watchmen?".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%3F
One more interesting bit of info, it was actually spoken in the "Justice League: Animated" itself:
"During an episode of Justice League Unlimited, Batman says the phrase to Green Arrow after Arrow talked Superman and the other founding members out of disbanding the League. Green Arrow translates the Latin to "Who guards the guardians"."
When Batman carries knocked out Superman to toss him from the floor, camera passes next to a wall with a graffiti "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" - "who will guard the guards themselves?" in Latin, which goes in line with the theme of a political power and power in general, a main theme in the film and also serves as a hint to the "Who Watches the Watchmen?".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%3F
One more interesting bit of info, it was actually spoken in the "Justice League: Animated" itself:
"During an episode of Justice League Unlimited, Batman says the phrase to Green Arrow after Arrow talked Superman and the other founding members out of disbanding the League. Green Arrow translates the Latin to "Who guards the guardians"."
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It immediately reminded me of Rorschach as doomsday prophet. 
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wow. way too cool. any scene cap?
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Coming back from UC this movie carries on a lot of details. There is something really cryptic about this movie, lots of what characters says echoes with some other things in the film. Especially for the first two part. After things get action and only evident symbolism get out.
Excalibure at the theater, the word "rag(e)" behind little Bruce when his parents get shot.
On the coats of arms of the Wayne family we can see: a blade, a hand and a horse (i'm not sure but it fits all the other content).
Blade will surely be Wonder Woman. Hand i believe is Batman, he uses his hand for access to the suits, wich will parallels Lex access to the ship and the "shadows", the cave. The horse is Superman.
When Clark first meet Bruce they are horses in the background of his shot and a black car (?) for Bruce. Two ways of locomotion' Superman is a force of nature, a "god", when Bruce has not such power, natural power, he gets most of his superpower from technology.
The horse are also symbols of travel to the land of the day. At the begginin Bruce passes one in the smoke after his building chrashed. There is a journey to, through, death in the movie. Bruce will get to save his "Martha".
The horse are also linked with the force of the authority. Police rides them multiple time. In the office of the governor (the woman always in white) they are horse figure. They are also one when she goes to Lex house at her left on the desk, and to image the doom he prepared, Lex makes sound of horse ridding with his finger.
This authority-horse also link Superman into Bruce dreams. Most of Bruces dreams are repetition of Superman action, he brings flower to his mother when Clark brings flowers to Lois (when Clark call her mom they are flowers painting up her bed, also a flower paint at the end when she see Lois before the funeral, and give her a package). At the beggining Bruce his lifted from the ground alike Superman, something of a christ figure, flotting towards the light.
We get to the third dream, both repetition of Superman action in the desert and a premonition of what is to come. They are Superman policemens (so the association horse-authority) wich is represented in Bruce mind since the police is against him. Bruce has to deal with the pain of people loosing theur lives, he live in the skin of Superman sins, but he was manipulated. Where Clark look to reveal things about with "real" news. So Bruce can represent the consciouscness of Clark (the dark, the shadow dealing with problems of guilt) where Clark is the light trying to reveal it. Spreading light on the hidden.
Bruce will cary his cross in his cave when Clark will go on top of the moutain above the mist of the clouds (Pa Kent died letting go in the mist of a tornado).
There is a lot of talk in the movie about police not doing the right thing and newspaper neither. So we get to Lois. Whom obtain a red book with a bullet. Both are Lex, at his party he is presented as a lover of books, livrary, etc. He talk about his father and books. He also talks of knowledge and power. He is a man without power innate (alike Bruce) but he has knowledge and technology. Bullets.
The connection beetwen Bruce and the hand is also made when Clark ask a woman outside the police office. She says only a hand (or fist?) can stop him. That is the only things he understand.
The connection with Wonder Woman and the blade his also made when they get to Arthur's swords, a fake.
Mutliple time in the movie the image of the Warrior comes by. They will be three as one. There is a nice interconnection of the authority-knowledge-nature-god-moral-discussion/democraty through the films since Clark works at a newspaper and technology often convey the information.
There is much more interesting information through languages speech wich i don't always recall but that links some scene to others. I would need to rewatch it to catch more details and give more accurate understanding of the films.
There was innocence multiple time recurring too. With Lois and other tiles. The movie get on taking our responsability, grow. Superman will die, in parallel he was already touched by the dead in Mexico, and will be revorn to complete his lessianic figure journey.
Excalibure at the theater, the word "rag(e)" behind little Bruce when his parents get shot.
On the coats of arms of the Wayne family we can see: a blade, a hand and a horse (i'm not sure but it fits all the other content).
Blade will surely be Wonder Woman. Hand i believe is Batman, he uses his hand for access to the suits, wich will parallels Lex access to the ship and the "shadows", the cave. The horse is Superman.
When Clark first meet Bruce they are horses in the background of his shot and a black car (?) for Bruce. Two ways of locomotion' Superman is a force of nature, a "god", when Bruce has not such power, natural power, he gets most of his superpower from technology.
The horse are also symbols of travel to the land of the day. At the begginin Bruce passes one in the smoke after his building chrashed. There is a journey to, through, death in the movie. Bruce will get to save his "Martha".
The horse are also linked with the force of the authority. Police rides them multiple time. In the office of the governor (the woman always in white) they are horse figure. They are also one when she goes to Lex house at her left on the desk, and to image the doom he prepared, Lex makes sound of horse ridding with his finger.
This authority-horse also link Superman into Bruce dreams. Most of Bruces dreams are repetition of Superman action, he brings flower to his mother when Clark brings flowers to Lois (when Clark call her mom they are flowers painting up her bed, also a flower paint at the end when she see Lois before the funeral, and give her a package). At the beggining Bruce his lifted from the ground alike Superman, something of a christ figure, flotting towards the light.
We get to the third dream, both repetition of Superman action in the desert and a premonition of what is to come. They are Superman policemens (so the association horse-authority) wich is represented in Bruce mind since the police is against him. Bruce has to deal with the pain of people loosing theur lives, he live in the skin of Superman sins, but he was manipulated. Where Clark look to reveal things about with "real" news. So Bruce can represent the consciouscness of Clark (the dark, the shadow dealing with problems of guilt) where Clark is the light trying to reveal it. Spreading light on the hidden.
Bruce will cary his cross in his cave when Clark will go on top of the moutain above the mist of the clouds (Pa Kent died letting go in the mist of a tornado).
There is a lot of talk in the movie about police not doing the right thing and newspaper neither. So we get to Lois. Whom obtain a red book with a bullet. Both are Lex, at his party he is presented as a lover of books, livrary, etc. He talk about his father and books. He also talks of knowledge and power. He is a man without power innate (alike Bruce) but he has knowledge and technology. Bullets.
The connection beetwen Bruce and the hand is also made when Clark ask a woman outside the police office. She says only a hand (or fist?) can stop him. That is the only things he understand.
The connection with Wonder Woman and the blade his also made when they get to Arthur's swords, a fake.
Mutliple time in the movie the image of the Warrior comes by. They will be three as one. There is a nice interconnection of the authority-knowledge-nature-god-moral-discussion/democraty through the films since Clark works at a newspaper and technology often convey the information.
There is much more interesting information through languages speech wich i don't always recall but that links some scene to others. I would need to rewatch it to catch more details and give more accurate understanding of the films.
There was innocence multiple time recurring too. With Lois and other tiles. The movie get on taking our responsability, grow. Superman will die, in parallel he was already touched by the dead in Mexico, and will be revorn to complete his lessianic figure journey.
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During the fight, when Batman is tying the cable to Superman's leg, two separate pillars in the train station have graffiti that say "Joe --> KR" on them. There's other writing that I can't make sense of.
I just paid attention to that on the UC, though I'm sure I just missed it on the theatrical version.
I just paid attention to that on the UC, though I'm sure I just missed it on the theatrical version.
Speaking of graffiti befor Batman throw Sup out from the balcony there is a tag "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" -Who will guard the guard themselvs. It will be Wonder Woman maybe.
It also references Watchmen: Who watches the watchmen. There was a "end is nigh" tag as well has a picture of Nixon on the television alike the one in Watchmen.
It also references Watchmen: Who watches the watchmen. There was a "end is nigh" tag as well has a picture of Nixon on the television alike the one in Watchmen.
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Numerous references to Horses in this movie.
First, we see a horse near the rubble of collapsed Wayne Financial building, then at the Africa scene, four horse men going through the desert, the statue of horse with broken legs in the Lex's father's Room. Horses feature in the story told by Pa Kent to Clark, how he saved the farm but caused the flooding elsewhere and horses drowned in that flood. Horses present in the funeral procession.
First, we see a horse near the rubble of collapsed Wayne Financial building, then at the Africa scene, four horse men going through the desert, the statue of horse with broken legs in the Lex's father's Room. Horses feature in the story told by Pa Kent to Clark, how he saved the farm but caused the flooding elsewhere and horses drowned in that flood. Horses present in the funeral procession.
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so? horse symbolise ???
I already adress it in more detailled in my earlier post. It can represented travel to the land of the dead, he is a psychopomp animal, guide sometime.
He was also representative of authority obviousely, maybe a side of man controlling nature/ where Bruce is about technology. The first time he met Clark, there is paint of horse in the backround, and a car/moto for Bruce. In his dream there is a police Superman, so he linked authority/horse with Supermzn, as a higher authority.
I also noticed another flower when Lois is interrogated by the african who speak in some phylosophical way, with a kind of knowledge. It's the flower of life, on his chaire. Clark will bring her flower etc. Thisnman also told her that "ignorance is not innocence", wich show well her motivation for the rest of the movie. She is looking for truth, to reveal truth, to bring an end to ignorance. The word innocnce come a lot in this movie. Lex spoke to the senator that "power can be innocent" is the first solething of america. It came other time if anyone rememeber....
It was present in a lot of shots around the governor. Lex even mimic gallpoing sound right after we saw a horse statue on thr desk at her left. But yes horses are common for policemen, it is just used at full extent in the movie, i thought it could mean authority. That would be why in his dream Bruce saw Superman with police force on his side, it amplifies the idea he has of a higher power, out of his reach. And why in their first meeting there is horse behind Clark.
It is also pretty comon horse are the travel companion to death, like dogs can be, they replicate the fonction they have in real life. Death is a center of the movie, from the myst Bruces passes by, to the day of the dead in Mexico, to Superman death in the end.
Also the pretty evocative horse yelling and standing on his two feet after the bombong of the man in a weelchair. I think it's the last horse there is in the movie. Authority is dead, it's up to god now.
But the horse things are details, like flowers, but it is used to convey information. It is still open to interpretation. I explained better in my first post of the thread. Its like the icon of the Wayne family, it's an hint on the end of the movie, three coming together.
Got this out of Wiki:
"In classical Greek mythology Zeus' bolts of lightning may be interpreted as a symbolic spear. Some would carry that interpretation to the spear that frequently is associated with Athena, interpreting her spear as a symbolic connection to some of Zeus' power beyond the Aegis once he rose to replacing other deities in the pantheon. Athena was depicted with a spear prior to that change in myths, however. Chiron's wedding-gift to Peleus when he married the nymph Thetis in classical Greek mythology, was an ashen spear as the nature of ashwood with its straight grain made it an ideal choice of wood for a spear."
i don't remember that well but Lex also says something about the lightning blot of Zeus at the Library conference.
"Sir James George Frazer in The Golden Bough[50] noted the phallic nature of the spear and suggested that in the Arthurian Legends the spear or lance functioned as a symbol of male fertility, paired with the Grail (as a symbol of female fertility)."
This tied up pretty well on a movie about powerlessness and respecting the Excalibur reccuring theme. Where it is finally woman who take the sword.
http://www.moviesinfocus.com/how-jo...onnects-to-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/
"In classical Greek mythology Zeus' bolts of lightning may be interpreted as a symbolic spear. Some would carry that interpretation to the spear that frequently is associated with Athena, interpreting her spear as a symbolic connection to some of Zeus' power beyond the Aegis once he rose to replacing other deities in the pantheon. Athena was depicted with a spear prior to that change in myths, however. Chiron's wedding-gift to Peleus when he married the nymph Thetis in classical Greek mythology, was an ashen spear as the nature of ashwood with its straight grain made it an ideal choice of wood for a spear."
i don't remember that well but Lex also says something about the lightning blot of Zeus at the Library conference.
"Sir James George Frazer in The Golden Bough[50] noted the phallic nature of the spear and suggested that in the Arthurian Legends the spear or lance functioned as a symbol of male fertility, paired with the Grail (as a symbol of female fertility)."
This tied up pretty well on a movie about powerlessness and respecting the Excalibur reccuring theme. Where it is finally woman who take the sword.
http://www.moviesinfocus.com/how-jo...onnects-to-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/
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