Long Island Man Arrested For Defending Home With AK 47

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Before you read this, I know discharging a weapon is illegal, but what the Hell else are you supposed to do if your being surrounded by gang idiots, who will only return to harass you and your family if you call the police? Read the story below. I'm sick of these *****ing gang idiots!!! :cmad: This guy and his home adress is published for all the world to see, but no where can the gangbangers be seen. So basically it's ok to form a group, harass law abiding citizens, and enjoy protection from the law?? What the ****??? We spend all of our tax dollars fighting Al Quaeda, the Taliban, etc., when most Americans have never met any of those guys, but we can sure tell you who's gang banging where? Why hasn't the government treated these gang jerks like terrorists and imprison or murder them all? I swear to God I ****ing hate gang-bangers. Anyway read the original news report below....



http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/09/07/long-island-man-arrested-for-defending-home-with-ak-47/

UNIONDALE, N.Y. (CBS 2) — He was arrested for protecting his property and family.
But it’s how the Long Island man did it that police say crossed the line.
He got an AK-47 assault rifle, pulled the trigger and he ended up in jail, reports CBS 2’s Pablo Guzman.
George Grier said he had to use his rifle on Sunday night to stop what he thought was going to be an invasion of his Uniondale home by a gang he thought might have been the vicious “MS-13.” He said the whole deal happened as he was about to drive his cousin home.
“I went around and went into the house, ran upstairs and told my wife to call the police. I get the gun and I go outside and I come into the doorway and now, by this time, they are in the driveway, back here near the house. I tell them, you know, ‘Can you please leave?’ Grier said.
Grier said the five men dared him to use the gun; and that their shouts brought another larger group of gang members in front of his house.
“He starts threatening my family, my life. ‘Oh you’re dead. I’m gonna kill your family and your babies. You’re dead.’ So when he says that, 20 others guys come rushing around the corner. And so I fired four warning shots into the grass,” Grier said.
Grier was later arrested. John Lewis is Grier’s attorney.
“What he’s initially charged with – A D felony reckless endangerment — requires a depraved indifference to human life, creating a risk that someone’s going to die. Shooting into a lawn doesn’t create a risk of anybody dying,” Lewis said.
Grier said he knew Nassau County Police employ the hi-tech “ShotSpotter” technology in his area and that the shooting would bring police in minutes. Cops told Guzman he was very cooperative.
Grier also said he was afraid the gang outside his house was the dreaded MS-13. And Nassau County Police Lt. Andrew Mulraine, head of the gang unit, said MS-13 has 2,000 members in the county.
“They’re probably the most organized. They almost have a military hierarchy within the gang, so they are the most organized gang we encounter on a daily basis,” Mulraine said.
You may think a person has the right to defend their home. But the law says you can only use physical force to deter physical force. Grier said he never saw anyone pull out a gun, so a court would have to decide on firing the gun.
Police determined Grier had the gun legally. He has no criminal record. And so he was not charged for the weapon.
That ShotSpotter technology pinpoints where a gun has been fired within 35 feet. Police said it also detected two other shootings in nearby Roosevelt that night.



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If this man had waited until he was moments away from being attacked and actually aimed at someone, he wouldn't be in trouble. The law is weird like that.
 
Sadly this dude might be dead soon. Since they put up his address. I hope the police put him in some protection.
 
The laws here are messed up. If a guy breaks in your house in NJ, unless the guy almost kills you, you have no right to shoot him. I like the laws down south, if they break into your house, you have the right to shoot them, as long as they are in your house. Shoot them on your porch, just drag them in your house. That's what a cop told me anyway.
 
I'm more stunned that you can legally own a f***ing Kalishnakov...

"Uhh... it's for duck huntin'... We got some mean ass ducks in this area..."
 
oh, you'd be surprised what you can own. though most likely, the guy had the semi-automatic version like my buddy has. I don't know how the law differs in other states, but where I am, if you have a Class III license, you CAN own a fully automatic rifle.

As far as the article is concerned, most likely the guy will get off. Most use of fire arm laws state that you are only innocent if

1) There is no way for you to get away.
2) You have an extreme and justifiable fear for your life.

Those are the two big check marks for getting off. Obviously, if there are +20 guys coming up your driveway, the ability for him to get away is nonexistant; and if all those guys are shouting death threats as they come towards you, that is a justifiable fear. Add to that the fact that he merely fired warning shots, SAFELY into the grass, instead of trying to hit of of them will help his case as well. Unless of course, the judge and jurors are anti-guns. Then he's pretty much screwed.
 
Which is why I hate the laws in NJ and NY. You can pretty much go in someone's house, you can threaten to kill, attack them and if that person shoots you in self defense, they are still going to jail. Unlike in GA or Florida. Once you go in anyone's house and so much as threaten them, that person can basically put hot lead in your arse as long as you are in their house, and I'm tempted to say on their property but I'm not sure.
 
I feel bad for that guy, I'm so glad I live in Canada.
 
sadly **** like this happens all the time in the uk, but without the guns

guys gets attacked or mugged and he punches the yobs, the victim goes to jail for assault
 
I'm more stunned that you can legally own a f***ing Kalishnakov...

"Uhh... it's for duck huntin'... We got some mean ass ducks in this area..."

It's probably not a real Ak-47, most likely a Chinese Norinco Type 56 or Egyptian Maadi ARM. It's kind of hard to find a true ak-47 in the U.S, since the goverment had a ban on all weapons imported from Warsaw Pact nations during the Cold War years (1947-1989).

Which is why I hate the laws in NJ and NY. You can pretty much go in someone's house, you can threaten to kill, attack them and if that person shoots you in self defense, they are still going to jail. Unlike in GA or Florida. Once you go in anyone's house and so much as threaten them, that person can basically put hot lead in your arse as long as you are in their house, and I'm tempted to say on their property but I'm not sure.
I heard that if the intruder is running out or making his way to the door you are no longer allowed to shoot that person. Is this true?
 
I'm more stunned that you can legally own a f***ing Kalishnakov...

"Uhh... it's for duck huntin'... We got some mean ass ducks in this area..."


My dad has two of them in his collection. It is something that is intimidating to see but has TOO much power for home defense purposes.

It is probably the most unpleasant firearm I ever shot
 
It's probably not a real Ak-47, most likely a Chinese Norinco Type 56 or Egyptian Maadi ARM. It's kind of hard to find a true ak-47 in the U.S, since the goverment had a ban on all weapons imported from Warsaw Pact nations during the Cold War years (1947-1989).


I heard that if the intruder is running out or making his way to the door you are no longer allowed to shoot that person. Is this true?

It's true because they are retreating. Once their back is turned and you attack them, you have become the aggresser which is dumb as fark but whatever.
 
I have no problem with anyone defending their home, none what so ever.

My curiosity is peaked, however, by the choice of weapon. Why do people need to have military assault rifles for home defense? What's wrong with a .45, or Desert Eagle? Or even a 12 gauge shotgun? Just who do people think are going to be breaking in? A military unit?
 
Which is why I hate the laws in NJ and NY. You can pretty much go in someone's house, you can threaten to kill, attack them and if that person shoots you in self defense, they are still going to jail. Unlike in GA or Florida. Once you go in anyone's house and so much as threaten them, that person can basically put hot lead in your arse as long as you are in their house, and I'm tempted to say on their property but I'm not sure.

Are you just making things up? I don't know about NY, but in NJ self defense inside the home is a defense. I'll have to look up one of my old outlines but generally as long as you reasonably believe you need to use force (deadly force included) to protect yourself from serious bodily harm or death, you're good to go as long as the force you use is proportional (i.e., someone punches you in the face and stands over you, you generally can't pull out a gun and shoot him)

What you might be thinking of is the use of deadly force to protect property. Deadly force cannot be used to protect property absent threat of serious bodily injury or death. Think about the use of spring guns. People used to use them to protect their homes, but you can't do that anymore. I'll grab my old criminal law or criminal procedure outline and see if I can get you more details if you're interested. :up:
 
I'm more stunned that you can legally own a f***ing Kalishnakov...

it could also have been an American made AK. I saw a bunch yesterday at the gun show. Decent rifles and not to badly priced. No full auto though.
 
If he was a member of the NRA, they would help with his defense. It's a shame that a man can't defend his family. The law and justice system is so messed up.
 
A man can defend his family. He just has to do it when there's the threat of imminent danger. A bunch of mean-looking guys standing on your drive way isn't a justifiable reason to shoot your gun, even if you weren't aiming at them (because then you're just being reckless). If you're going to fire a deadly weapon within the general vicinity of a crowd of thugs, you have to be in a situation where you're going to die otherwise. That's how the law is in many states.

I doubt New York has any "warning shot" stipulations in its laws.
 
Eh...he would have been in the right if he had wait until it seemed like he was in real danger.

Now, if someone was in my house...they'd be dead. No question.
 

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