Homecoming Looks like Raimi got the last laugh after all

[HarryOsborn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYusMGJ_L10

Sony actually asked Raimi to comeback after the Marvel deal fell through. Guess Sony is finally realizing they aren't Marvel and can't keep stepping on every directors toes anymore.

EDIT:

Quick disclaimer I'm not saying Raimi is superior as a director to Marc Webb, I am simply saying Sony appears to be regretting their my way or the highway style of overseeing the production of the franchise (both Raimi's and Webb's films included).

 

[Frodo]

Raimi is proven and has made Sony a fortune. I figured the next film would have major changes and going back to Raimi is certainly that. However, I suspect if Raimi was to come back as director/and or producer , it wouldn't necessarily be to continue the Webb version of the series. Something tells me they'll basically give him a free reign to save the franchise in whichever way he sees fit. While I don't think we'd go back to Macguire, I would be surprised if they're getting Raimi to fix the problematic storylines of the Webb films.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Raimi is proven and has made Sony a fortune. I figured the next film would have major changes and going back to Raimi is certainly that. However, I suspect if Raimi was to come back as director/and or producer , it wouldn't necessarily be to continue the Webb version of the series. Something tells me they'll basically give him a free reign to save the franchise in whichever way he sees fit. While I don't think we'd go back to Macguire, I would be surprised if they're getting Raimi to fix the problematic storylines of the Webb films.

Spider-man 3 and the butler knew it all along comes to mind when you say that

it was only spider-man 3 that raimi had to fix all his loose ends with and he didn't do an amazing job at that alone

 

[HarryOsborn]

Spider-man 3 and the butler knew it all along comes to mind when you say that

it was only spider-man 3 that raimi had to fix all his loose ends with and he didn't do an amazing job at that alone

To be fair Sony had a great deal of interference, and if you listen to the DVD commentary Marc Webb had some pretty bad ideas of his own. Raimi I'd personally trust more than Webb as he has a more distinct style that appeals more to the mainstream audience than Webb (read he's less hipster/indie) and he's had more experience. Honestly though the point is moot as long as Avi Arad continues to manage the Spider-Man franchise the way Dan Snyder manages the Washington Redskins.

 

[HarryOsborn]

Raimi is proven and has made Sony a fortune. I figured the next film would have major changes and going back to Raimi is certainly that. However, I suspect if Raimi was to come back as director/and or producer , it wouldn't necessarily be to continue the Webb version of the series. Something tells me they'll basically give him a free reign to save the franchise in whichever way he sees fit. While I don't think we'd go back to Macguire, I would be surprised if they're getting Raimi to fix the problematic storylines of the Webb films.

Does anyone else feel like Sony saw Days of Future Past put the X-Men franchise back on track?

 

[Frodo]

Spider-man 3 and the butler knew it all along comes to mind when you say that

it was only spider-man 3 that raimi had to fix all his loose ends with and he didn't do an amazing job at that alone

Spiderman 3 wasn't good to be sure. Then again, fans had a bigger issue with it then the GA did, it made more money than either of the Webb films, and Sony only rebooted the series because Raimi left, not because they felt the storylines were so bad that the series needed to be rebooted.

They were more then willing to make Spiderman 4 with him, so its no stretch to me that they would go back to the guy, who made them a fortune, had well received films with the GA, and who they wanted in the first place , even with the script problems of Spiderman 3. Whether he says yes or not is another issue.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Too many people let rami off the hook for Spider-man 3.It had many problems.

Avi Arad wanting venom wasn't exactly a stupid decsion.After green goblin and DR octopus Venom is most popular spider-man villain.

A lot of spider-man 3 problems can be laid at rami.And have you heard aboutideas rami had for Spider-man 4?

 

[GuestStar2004]

Spiderman 3 wasn't good to be sure. Then again, fans had a bigger issue with it then the GA did, it made more money than either of the Webb films, and Sony only rebooted the series because Raimi left, not because they felt the storylines were so bad that the series needed to be rebooted.

From how it sounds raimi always planned on ending it on SM4 so like WB with The Dark Knight Series sony were always planning on rebooting the character whether it was before or after SM4

and i think right now everyone is forgetting raimis flaws, he wrote spider-man 3 so its unlikely it was sony that said well just say the butler knew about it and get it out the way, or well you need harry to be good for most the film so have him lose his memory for no reason just to get it back later

and most people would go on about the goth dance from peter but honestly thats just a more over the top version of the raindrops montage from SM2

 

[HarryOsborn]

Too many people let rami off the hook for Spider-man 3.It had many problems.

Avi Arad wanting venom wasn't exactly a stupid decsion.After green goblin and DR octopus Venom is most popular spider-man villain.

A lot of spider-man 3 problems can be laid at rami.And have you heard aboutideas rami had for Spider-man 4?

You've got to be joking right? Everyone acted like Raimi was the second worst thing to Joel Schumacher because of SM3, until TASM 2 came out. People have only recently been admitting that the old movies weren't that bad.

As for his ideas for Spider-Man 4, hey he stepped away from the project because he had yet to receive a script both he and the studio were satisfied with after four drafts, and they refused to allow him an extra year to make a quality film.

Raimi should take his fair share of the blame, but Avi Arad was the one who wanted the Sinister 6 plot, Venom, and the Vulturess. That last one alone should tell you where the problem really is.

 

[Frodo]

Too many people let rami off the hook for Spider-man 3.It had many problems.

Avi Arad wanting venom wasn't exactly a stupid decsion.After green goblin and DR octopus Venom is most popular spider-man villain.

A lot of spider-man 3 problems can be laid at rami.And have you heard aboutideas rami had for Spider-man 4?

I don't think people let Raimi off the hook for Spiderman 3 but it was 8 years ago so time in a sense can start to heal wounds. The Spiderman 4 ideas were bad which is why Raimi left the series to begin with, because he felt the script was bad. But it never got made so it can't really be used , from Sony's perspective as a viable reason not to go to Raimi again. SM3 was one film in a trilogy which was other wise praised be the masses in general. Even then, the fans had more of an issue with it then the general audience did.

So the question from Sony's pov is, do we stick with the crew who's giving us diminishing returns or do we go back to the guy we wanted all along who made us more money? That's all they're thinking about. If ASM 2 made anywhere near SM3 they would be moving forward regardless of the fan and critical reaction to ASM 2.

I think at this point Sony is saying "fanboys be damned , we want the next film to turn a good profit and if it takes Raimi to do it , we'll do it". This is Hollywood.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Too many people let rami off the hook for Spider-man 3.It had many problems.

Avi Arad wanting venom wasn't exactly a stupid decsion.After green goblin and DR octopus Venom is most popular spider-man villain.

A lot of spider-man 3 problems can be laid at rami.And have you heard aboutideas rami had for Spider-man 4?

to be fair if you look at the trailer for spider-man 3 you have a very batman type broody feel aswell as having the sandman and fan favourite venom and harry on his glider.. technically comic book didn't get that much bigger until the avengers back then so Spider-man 3 was always gonna do well box office wise

and Raimi was always very restricted though and maybe going out of his comfort zone is what hurt spider-man 3 which isn't a good thing really since a criticism is how all 3 of his movies are so similar, peter hits a low for most of the film and something happens to MJ and he steps up and goes to save her and to make sure peter isn't a murderer the villain will kill themselves somehow

give the new series credit for being abit more open minded though

 

[HarryOsborn]

What direction do you think this could take the franchise in? Do you think Raimi would be willing to work with Sony again after all that happened during the production of SM3 and 4?

 

[Frodo]

From how it sounds raimi always planned on ending it on SM4 so like WB with The Dark Knight Series sony were always planning on rebooting the character whether it was before or after SM4

and i think right now everyone is forgetting raimis flaws, he wrote spider-man 3 so its unlikely it was sony that said well just say the butler knew about it and get it out the way, or well you need harry to be good for most the film so have him lose his memory for no reason just to get it back later

and most people would go on about the goth dance from peter but honestly thats just a more over the top version of the raindrops montage from SM2

Raimi may have ended after SM4 and Sony may have decided to reboot, in the end its kinda speculation because we don't know what they would have done had SM4 been a hit like SM3 . They may have tried to ask him back or a bunch of other things could have happened. Again, this is a business and studios give themselves leeway to wheel and deal. They aren't dogmatic as fans are about this kind of stuff.

I would disagree that people are forgetting the flaws of the Raimi films. Raimi name was evoked several times as a negative in relation to ASM 2 just this year. Again there's a seperate issue between what the fans feel about Raimi and what the suits and the money people at Sony feel about Raimi. I don't think you'd find that many fans who want Raimi to come back frankly , but that's clearly not what the feeling is at Sony regardless of what problems fans feel the Raimi films had.

 

[Frodo]

What direction do you think this could take the franchise in? Do you think Raimi would be willing to work with Sony again after all that happened during the production of SM3 and 4?

Now there's the question of the day. Raimi may say no, I'm done with it , you had your chance, move on. Or he could decide just to produce it, and go to find the talent to make the next film. There are alot of ways it could play out.

 

[mclay18]

If Raimi ever decides to direct another Spidey film, he'd probably only do it on these conditions:

1) Creative freedom (which he earned)
2) Get back Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst for Peter and MJ

 

[Spider-Ranger]

And suddenly, my Raimi-Webb-crossover idea doesn't seem too far fetched...

 

[HarryOsborn]

If Raimi ever decides to direct another Spidey film, he'd probably only do it on these conditions:

1) Creative freedom (which he earned)
2) Get back Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst for Peter and MJ

I doubt the latter, Tobey is almost 40 and it would derail the franchise even more to bring him back for one movie then reboot again. The Spider-Verse idea could work, but really we all know there's better stories to be told as much as everyone loves nostalgia.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The idea that fanboys ever let Raimi off the hook is ridiculous. Raimi got a lot of criticism for all of his Spider-Man films from the fanboy community. If anyone has been treated with kid gloves it's Marc Webb. I agree that Webb was a hired gun but he also is to blame for The Amazing Spider-Man franchise (use the word credit in place of blame if you enjoyed the films). And yes I do believe Raimi deserves some of the blame for Spider-Man 3.

 

[KangConquers]

The idea that fanboys ever let Raimi off the hook is ridiculous. Raimi got a lot of criticism for all of his Spider-Man films from the fanboy community. If anyone has been treated with kid gloves it's Marc Webb. I agree that Webb was a hired gun but he also is to blame for The Amazing Spider-Man franchise (use the word credit in place of blame if you enjoyed the films). And yes I do believe Raimi deserves some of the blame for Spider-Man 3.

When Marc Webb does anything close to the quality of Spider-Man 2, the haters can call me.

 

[JOE]

When Marc Webb does anything close to the quality of Spider-Man 2, the haters can call me.

These words are tattoo worthy.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The idea that fanboys ever let Raimi off the hook is ridiculous. Raimi got a lot of criticism for all of his Spider-Man films from the fanboy community. If anyone has been treated with kid gloves it's Marc Webb. I agree that Webb was a hired gun but he also is to blame for The Amazing Spider-Man franchise (use the word credit in place of blame if you enjoyed the films). And yes I do believe Raimi deserves some of the blame for Spider-Man 3.

 

[Green Goblin]

If Raimi ever decides to direct another Spidey film, he'd probably only do it on these conditions:

1) Creative freedom (which he earned)
2) Get back Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst for Peter and MJ

Maguire and Dunst are too old...

 

[HarryOsborn]

Maguire and Dunst are too old...

Well actually Spider-Man 4 was scheduled for release in 2011 and Raimi wanted to push it back to 2012. Say the movie began production late next year, they'd only be 5 years older than they were before. However this wouldn't happen because when it comes time for the sequel it would have been nearly 20 years since SM1. If Raimi comes back his original cast is not.

 

[Green Goblin]

Just my two cents but Sam's last two flicks weren't great even if Drag Me To Hell got positive critic reviews audience ratings were just decent. Surely they should just hire someone new for either TASM3, 4 or whatever and not pull an X-Men and keep coming back to the director of a previous iteration.

I think a producer role would be a good idea as OT purists who didn't like Webb would find some degree of hope...

 

[Super Jim]

This franchise is DOOMED!