Lounge of Justice - Part 90

[chintai80]

One of the greatest creations ever made. Right on top with the wheel and vaccines.

the people who created these and yoga pants are true heroes to humanity!

 

[dhandler01]

I never saw the number thing...but Snyder didn't hide the Jesus stuff at all. It has been an on running joke since the film came out. Hell on CBR it was always a fight between the people who believe Superman is Jesus or Moses since the creators were Jewish.

Donner did a much better job...he also had much better writers and he is a much better filmmaker

 

[obredaan]

I never saw the number thing...but Snyder didn't hide the Jesus stuff at all. It has been an on running joke since the film came out. Hell on CBR it was always a fight between the people who believe Superman is Jesus or Moses since the creators were Jewish.

Donner did a much better job...he also had much better writers and he is a much better filmmaker

The film was aggressively promoted to Christians even going as far as having Christian Pastors brought in for early screenings. Its just all too heavy handed for me personally.

 

[Micromind]

 

[Micromind]

 

[dhandler01]

Yuck. The Jurassic World movies are just hot nonsense especially the second one which was laughable at best and B-Movie craticular at its worst. And good lord Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard are awful on screen together. I know the scripts suck but neither of them are even to the level of Jeff Goldblum doing the material let alone Sam Neill.

And the dinosaurs (especially the new ones) are terrible.

 

[Superchan]

Even in your descriptions of this version of Superman, you are assigning him character traits, they may not be traits you like but they do constitute a personality. The way I see it he is a character rather than a plot device because he has motivations, internal conflict and agency.

Having character traits and being a character are 2 different things. When it comes to film or TV, characters and their traits are meant to evolve, signifying the hero's journey that Snyder is so fond of, this is what we call "character development" and superman had nothing of the sort, he was moody and emo when he started in MOS and then in JL: the endless Snyder cut he came back from death, moody as ever, which was signified by that god awful black costume that served no purpose what so ever.
Ultimately Superman died in BvS so another character can have a meaning-full arc and then he came back from the dead in JL so he can basically punch the big baddie, he furthered the plot to be sure, hence me calling him a "plot device" but by the end of Snyder's "epic trilogy" you're left wondering why Superman went through all these trials and tribulations in the first place because, personality wise, he didn't change one lick.
Ask not what the character can do for the movie but ask what the movie can do for the character, especially a character as iconic as Superman.
In contrast to Snyder, Whedon atleast tried to show that it was death that (ironically) gave Superman a new lease on life, as if Clark was telling himself and the audience that him having god like power, a GQ model's good looks, a successful, attractive girlfriend and loving mom means he should stop his moody "woe is me" b***hing and actually start enjoying his position as the world's hero and live up to the symbol that he wears on his chest.

Snyder deliberately uses christian iconography, but I don't think that necessarily means he is uses Superman as a Jesus analogue.

Again if, after watching that less than subtle church scene in MOS, you'd still come out thinking that Snyder isn't half-a** trying to copy Donner's space jesus take on the character then I don't know what to tell ya.

The relationship between Superman and Batman has varied a lot over the decades, sometimes they are very different, sometimes they have basically the same personality. I think there are plenty of different valid interpretations, from TDKR to Superfriends

Yes it has varied through the ages but one fact remains: it is the stark contrast between the 2 characters' modus operandi and outlook on life that reminds us (the audience) why those 2 are the be all, end all of all comicbook characters.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[dhandler01]

 

[Mandon Knight]

bit dark.....

 

[Aurakles]

Having character traits and being a character are 2 different things. When it comes to film or TV, characters and their traits are meant to evolve, signifying the hero's journey that Snyder is so fond of, this is what we call "character development" and superman had nothing of the sort, he was moody and emo when he started in MOS and then in JL: the endless Snyder cut he came back from death, moody as ever, which was signified by that god awful black costume that served no purpose what so ever.
Ultimately Superman died in BvS so another character can have a meaning-full arc and then he came back from the dead in JL so he can basically punch the big baddie, he furthered the plot to be sure, hence me calling him a "plot device" but by the end of Snyder's "epic trilogy" you're left wondering why Superman went through all these trials and tribulations in the first place because, personality wise, he didn't change one lick.
Ask not what the character can do for the movie but ask what the movie can do for the character, especially a character as iconic as Superman.
In contrast to Snyder, Whedon atleast tried to show that it was death that (ironically) gave Superman a new lease on life, as if Clark was telling himself and the audience that him having god like power, a GQ model's good looks, a successful, attractive girlfriend and loving mom means he should stop his moody "woe is me" b***hing and actually start enjoying his position as the world's hero and live up to the symbol that he wears on his chest.




Again if, after watching that less than subtle church scene in MOS, you'd still come out thinking that Snyder isn't half-a** trying to copy Donner's space jesus take on the character then I don't know what to tell ya.



Yes it has varied through the ages but one fact remains: it is the stark contrast between the 2 characters' modus operandi and outlook on life that reminds us (the audience) why those 2 are the be all, end all of all comicbook characters.

In MOS Clark learns to be more trusting, overcomes his fears and places his hope in humanity, choosing them over Krypton a leap of faith whick may or may not be rewarded. In doing so he opens himself up to humanity, giving up the life of anonymous drifting under assumed names and commits to a permanent job under his own name. Instead of constantly hiding and running he stands proud in front of the world, hoping that it is ready, and that he is too.
In BVS his convictions are challenged, he falls into despair believing that his actions may be doing more harm than good, that his trust in humanity may have been misplaced. It seems like his fears are being realised, that he is being rejected by this world, that he has no place here and that all of his efforts will be for nought. But he manages to regain his faith, overcomes his doubts and reaffirms his commitment to the belief that this is his world, and humanity is worth saving.

In ZSJL, he finally gets his faith rewarded, as the JL embody his hopes for humanity, they are a living testament to the effect of his example, the fruits of his labour.
Once his memories back he seems pretty happy to me, aside from during the battle when he is sensibly taking things seriously. He's happy and smiling at the farm, he's happy and smiling when he meets Alfred, he's happy and smiling after the JL saves the world and he's happy and smiling when they get the farm back. Wearing black doesn't negate any of those scenes, it doesn't make him moody.

His "b***hing" was usually prompted by the gargantuan responsibilities that come with trying to be the worlds hero and living up to the symbol. He knows that billions of lives are in his hands and I think it make a lot of sense that he takes that extremely seriously. Despite all of the advantages you listed, he is kept awake at night because he is more concerned about other people.

There isn't always a contrast between Superman and Batman, there are plenty of golden and silver age stories where they have basically the same personality and are simply chums. I've been rewatching the Superfriends cartoon, there's no contrast between them in that. Sometimes they are just two friends who help each other save the day, neither significantly lighter or darker than the other. Maybe you don't care for that, think it's simplistic and reductive, I respect that opinion. But it doesn't render all of those stories invalid.

 

[Superchan]

@Aurakles

Listen, I appreciate you taking time to read and respond to my post but I am sure that your time is precious (as is mine), hence I will try to save you that precious time and tell you that you and I will never see eye to eye on this topic. You seem to appreciate Snyder's take on Superman, I on the other hand, detest that Hack's vision and execution of Superman's story!
Luckily the majority of critics, fans and most importantly the audience agree with me, hence why the "Snyderverse" has gone nowhere, no matter how much people hash-tag it.

Wearing black doesn't negate any of those scenes, it doesn't make him moody.

That's your opinion and I respect that but I didn't see it that way and this goes back to what I said above, you and I will not see eye to eye on this. I'll say this though, the fact that Superman is only shown in his traditional red and blue when he's evil speaks volumes about Snyder's distaste for the traditional Superman that we know and love.

I recommend this youtube video:
I fixed Superman's black suit in Zack Snyder's Justice League || NerdSync

This video shows where Snyder's head was at (assuming he has something resembling a thought process, because I honestly doubt it) when he digitally changed Superman's colors.

There isn't always a contrast between Superman and Batman, there are plenty of golden and silver age stories where they have basically the same personality and are simply chums. I've been rewatching the Superfriends cartoon, there's no contrast between them in that. Sometimes they are just two friends who help each other save the day, neither significantly lighter or darker than the other. Maybe you don't care for that, think it's simplistic and reductive, I respect that opinion. But it doesn't render all of those stories invalid.

You seem to have missed my point, when it comes to the 'world's finest', I am well aware that their stories come in all shapes, tones and sizes and when it comes to fictional stories there is no such thing as 'valid' and invalid, if the story appeals to you personally then they it's valid to you and if they don't appeal to me personally then they are invalid, but only to me, not the whole world. Art is subjective and our opinion doesn't represent that of the whole world.
Personally, I'm not fan of the silver age bromance stories (silver age 'world's finest' and superfriends) between Kal and Bruce, I like it when there is a clear contrast, in style and execution, between Superman and Batman WITHOUT them being adversarial (like in DKR), but that's just me.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Just got out of House of Gucci

Leto deserves both an Oscar and a Razzie for this performance, I really do not know how else to explain it

 

[Enriquespy]

House of Gucci sound fun. I'll see It, I rarely see dramas because they are not fun, with few exceptions. Also Gaga looks so pretty in the trailer.

 

[dhandler01]

Just got out of House of Gucci

Leto deserves both an Oscar and a Razzie for this performance, I really do not know how else to explain it

I feel that way often about his performances so it makes sense. Can't wait to see it!

 

[Aurakles]

@Aurakles

Listen, I appreciate you taking time to read and respond to my post but I am sure that your time is precious (as is mine), hence I will try to save you that precious time and tell you that you and I will never see eye to eye on this topic. You seem to appreciate Snyder's take on Superman, I on the other hand, detest that Hack's vision and execution of Superman's story!
Luckily the majority of critics, fans and most importantly the audience agree with me, hence why the "Snyderverse" has gone nowhere, no matter how much people hash-tag it.



That's your opinion and I respect that but I didn't see it that way and this goes back to what I said above, you and I will not see eye to eye on this. I'll say this though, the fact that Superman is only shown in his traditional red and blue when he's evil speaks volumes about Snyder's distaste for the traditional Superman that we know and love.

I recommend this youtube video:
I fixed Superman's black suit in Zack Snyder's Justice League || NerdSync

This video shows where Snyder's head was at (assuming he has something resembling a thought process, because I honestly doubt it) when he digitally changed Superman's colors.



You seem to have missed my point, when it comes to the 'world's finest', I am well aware that their stories come in all shapes, tones and sizes and when it comes to fictional stories there is no such thing as 'valid' and invalid, if the story appeals to you personally then they it's valid to you and if they don't appeal to me personally then they are invalid, but only to me, not the whole world. Art is subjective and our opinion doesn't represent that of the whole world.
Personally, I'm not fan of the silver age bromance stories (silver age 'world's finest' and superfriends) between Kal and Bruce, I like it when there is a clear contrast, in style and execution, between Superman and Batman WITHOUT them being adversarial (like in DKR), but that's just me.

I don't think that link is working. Personally I never cared for the black suit, maybe if WB had let him do it from the start he could have filmed something explaining it and that might have convinced me, It's not that I dislike the black suit, but as is I don't really see the need to move away from blue and red.

I expect that you're right about neither of us talking the other around, but I do enjoy discussing these films. As you said, there's a wide variety of takes, each with their own fans, I think that adaptability is part of what has kept them going strong for all these years. I'm thankful that I got three films of this version (even though getting that third one took a bit of patience), but I understand it isn't everyone's preference.

 

[obredaan]

Just got out of House of Gucci

Leto deserves both an Oscar and a Razzie for this performance, I really do not know how else to explain it

Kermode is really on the side of giving Leto a Razzie. lol.

 

[MbJ]

Oh man they really got Conroy and Newbern back for this game, huh?

 

[Black Narcissus]

Is there a travel thread on the hype? I couldn't find one. Eh. Reminiscing about certain places and planning on visiting others, a quick mullet style review from my experiences.

Paris- Man, I gotta be honest and real here, the charm went away rather quickly, talking within few days. Folks are rude. I know for whatever reason tis a cliche that them bastahs dress well, especially the women, but they were no different than what you see here. Food was fine. One main thing that isn't talked about a lot in them films and tv is how often you see grown men taking a piss on the streets, I asked a breh who lived there what was up with that, he said the public restroom situation was a mess. 4-5 hours to see miss Lisa, eh. If I go back, it probably be more to the country side.

London- Simply great! Folks are nice, get a drink almost anywhere, women were so chill and easy to talk with, had a typical english breakfast everyday that I was there. Checked out a few football matches, which was great atmosphere. I don't know how else to describe it, but tis like a posh vibe with somewhat hood aesthetic in certain streets, which I dug.

Portugal- Best of everything. A tropical paradise. Food, climate, women . This was also a lot cheaper than both London and Paris at that time. Tis was also a mixed pot of different folks which made me feel very much welcome. Also from talking with the women there, most portugese brehs are reserved, if you are pretty about yours know what I mean, a foreign breh can fish with dynamite.

Thailand- Mannn, by far the most fun was here. Had me a travel guide friend of a friend, which I called Toshi. Eating all kinds of street food at late hours, riding them beat up motor scooters, going to the different islands, dancing the night away in clubs filled with gals and lady boys as bubbles and whipped cream came down from the ceiling. Toshi taking out a .357 magnum and shooting it as we driving in a beat up pickup truck as the two go-go dancers in the backseats freak out and then start laughing hysterically after i ask him what the gun was for and he simply replies in broken english ' for the effin snakes mudaf!'. Parking on the side of an almost nothing dirt road and we take a short cut through what looks like jungle to me , to find a lake/lagoon type and we just chill there for hours.

Italy- Rome. Unfortunately was only here for 3 days. Not long enough. Food was great , atmosphere greater, those streets did feel otherworldly to me. Beautiful women, but not enough time for me to throw a hook. Tis' a cliche at this point, but seeing a hot italian women smoke is a vibe.

San Miguel Allende Mexico- Feels like a european city. Never felt uneasy walking them streets at night. Folks here are way too kind and genuinely show warmth toward tourist. A wicked mummy museum type. Very instagram friendly aesthetic to this city if you know what I mean, every corner was made to be taken a picture. Classic cantina type pubs/bars at all hours of night, women are very friendly, food was great, ate tacos every day there, price for hotel wasn't cheap tho. Surprised to see many german /canadian tourist here, but maybe thats a thing. I've always had good times in mexico, it also helps that I can speak spanish pretty well. Mexican women here dress up to go church, to the corner store etc, ready to find a husband type vibe.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Kermode is really on the side of giving Leto a Razzie. lol.

I'm starting to think Jared found the right home for his talents with Morbius.

 

[MbJ]

COVID has made me decide to nut up and commit to actually do some serious traveling like I've always wanted. Assuming this craziness ever actually ends.

 

[chintai80]

this new covid variant sounds like it should be the name of a giant evil transforming robot that devours planets instead.

why they gotta use such foreboding nomenclatures??

 

[Chip Chipperson]

i just need to know if we're gonna have to lockdown again, I wanna follow guidelines but those few months were really rough to get through, especially towards the tail end. I'm based in the NYC tri state area, so March till about May/June was brutal.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Don't worry about it, I'm sure some lab somewhere will make a chimera combination of COVID variants to make the ultimate vaccine ala- Mission Impossible 2.

I forgot if that movie took cold or flu virus to activate the villain plan.

 

[heatvision38]

this new covid variant sounds like it should be the name of a giant evil transforming robot that devours planets instead.

why they gotta use such foreboding nomenclatures??