Love this IMBD post about the Damage/Death Toll in MOS

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  1. Marvin

    Marvin Well-Known Member

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    Amazing how such a simple act can have such a huge effect on reception. Maybe if fan boys start up enough commotion about it, we might get a film that goes overboard on that next time.

    Considering what happened last time lol.
     
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    Godzilla2000 Dollar Store Diva

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    Oh the challenge is there. That challenge is for Marvel not to rest on its laurels and get lazy or the DC movie franchises will get more attention. Let's face it...Marvel needs to aggressively get creative with their stable of heroes because several of their hard hitters have several movies. Marvel needs to work harder to keep things fresh whereas DC has yet to unleash movies for their roster and find the right creative team to pull them all together in a Justice League team up. Basically the rivalry between the two is a win/win for fans because hopefully we'll get better written, much more epic movies from both Marvel and DC in the future.
     
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  3. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark Armored Avenger!

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    Yeah stay inside so when I smash this building to rubble you can be crushed by the debris.
     
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  4. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark Armored Avenger!

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    and then he takes the opportunity in ground zero to make out with his girlfriend.
     
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    Rock Sexton Well-Known Member

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    No seriously. There is no challenge. And all your comment does is attempt to shake the Marvel vs. DC fanboy bee hive.
     
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  6. curiosity

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    Actually, he rammed Zod and punched him for trying to kill his mother. Zod was at his mother's home, he did not take him there.

    There was a terraforming ship located in the city. The Kryptonians were throwing Superman around the city. Sort of difficult to force them to stop destroying the Earth when they were doing it from the city, unless you ummm.....fight them off in the city.

    Cutting to the chase, it wasn't a lot of destruction for saving the entire human race from getting killed.
     
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  7. DorneyDave

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    Man of Steel 2: Superman builds things and attends thousands of funerals while making jokes.

    RT Rating - 99.9 Percent.
     
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  8. redhawk23

    redhawk23 Wrestlin'

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    Well the comparison I've seen made is that while The Avengers also featured a major battle in the middle of a city, containing the damage and helping the civilians were a major part of what the Heroes were doing.

    Now I don't think as much focus was necessary or even possible here. The Avengers are a team, such strategizing is the entire point for the Avengers to exist.

    However it is a valid point that the Avengers as a film at least takes a moment to reflect on the damage and the effect of the attack at least in passing.

    MOS ends with Clark going to work. Would there even be work to go to in Metropolis, much of which was pulverized along with potentially millions of people?
     
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  9. curiosity

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    Or he takes the opportunity to kiss her around the destructed empty buildings. Or in case no one noticed, Superman/ Clark and Lois, almost got sucked up into the black hole with the ship, he was flying away with her as fast as he could, they both barely escaped with their lives.

    So if you were almost killed with your girlfriend, you wouldn't want to kiss her when you both managed to escape with your lives?
     
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    -Destroyed by two CGI characters punching each other. Why should we, the audience, care about them either?

    You try to call people out as having "the dumbest brains on the planet" (lol!) for recognizing obvious flaws and inconsistencies in the character/movie?



    Hmm, you've got nearly 4,000 posts in a forum about FICTIONAL CHARACTERS- which tells me otherwise about it's importance to you. But oh wait, this argument isn't in your favour. I get it.
     
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  11. curiosity

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    Hated the Avengers it was stupid. Very, very stupid especially the Loki story. Oh wait, that was the entire story. Lol

    This isn't the Avengers thread.

    Much of Metropolis was left in tact. Clark/ Superman is powerful enough to clean the mess up quickly. Again that is implied. You have to be smart enough to interpret this modern day movie correctly. It's not cartoon like.
     
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    Huh? You're not understanding what I meant. Zod was in Smallville .... Superman took "his fight" to Zod in that very city.

    See for me the threat of the terraforming ship was exaggerated when we see Supers making scrap metal of the one in the Indian Ocean by simply ramming himself through it. Why didn't he just do that to the one in Metropolis? Ah yes, the story as written by Goyer puts emphasis on kicking the Krptonians back into the Phantom Zone. Couldn't both have been accomplished?

    Wasn't a lot of destruction? It nearly leveled half of Metropolis.
     
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  13. Regthar

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    Yup. I'm sure that's what he planned to do.
    Do you have a point?

    I was responding to someone who wanted to see some concern for the people. He shows that concern with that line.
    Would you rather have seen him entertain Faora with a little magic trick while people packed their belongings and left town in a safe and orderly manner?
     
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  14. Marvin

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    Cinema tropes would dictate that, that is the best time for a first kiss.

    Speed(the movie) is an essay on this very concept lol.

    Ground Zero is also the place to make Falafel jokes, seeing as we are all so eager to make Avengers comparisons.
     
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  15. curiosity

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    The city was mostly empty. Your reasoning is incorrect.
     
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  16. Marvin

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    Pretty sure he happened upon that last resort(that nearly killed him and caused a huge explosion), after it would have served any good to metropolis...

    pretty sure the phantom zone hole approach in metropolis was better plan anyways.

    But then again Goyer name is sort of a conversation ender.
     
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  17. ThanosOfTitans

    ThanosOfTitans The Mad Titan

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    Can't we all just agree the film was good with some flaws? maybe? lol

    And this was much better than Superman Returns in my humble opinion. That has to count for something, right?
     
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    Thank you! That's how I took it, even on first viewing. Saw it as an "Oh my god, you almost died" and "Holy ****, the world almost ended" adrenaline fueled attraction succumbing moment for the two of them.
     
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    Watched the movie twice so I could review it correctly, it was only a small portion of the city which was destructed. He had to save his mother in Smallville. I saw it as he was protecting her, they were after her, and what she knew. I don't think they would have chased him away from Smallville, remember they were looking for the codex, or the key or something.
     
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    What else was he intending to do to the Terra ship in the Indian Ocean then?
     
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  22. Marvin

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    1. Maybe if batman was around Superman could do the exact same thing whilst batman saves a few people and we all celebrate.

    2. Perhaps that was the purpose of the national guard.

    Hard to compare to avengers for the reasons you stated, it's a team movie. One in which Hulk and Ironman and Thor are simply fighting whilst cap is running around making requests. If they made a jla movie and Flash and GL didn't save a single random life I'd be right there with the detractors.

    Not to make more un fair comparisons but Tony Stark nuking an alien invasion is pretty hardcore...even for him.
     
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  23. Marvin

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    Ramming speed wasn't his first approach, especially before he encountered the fleischer tentacles. If ramming speed was his initial approach he could have done it from the jump no?
     
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  24. pr0xyt0xin

    pr0xyt0xin Shaper Savant

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    So I've always thought Metropolis was the DC equivalent of Chicago. (I know many comics depict it as east coast. And even neighbors with Gotham. But Chicago makes more sense to me. It's closer to Smallville, more central USA, heck there's even a city called Metropolis in Illinois!

    Anyway. For example, Chicago has a population of 2.8 million (rounded up) and an area of 234 square miles. No time in the film do we get a survey of the damage of more than a few square miles. Factor that in with the fact that many people (with common sense during an alien invasion) were probably able to escape.

    I estimate no more than a 40-50 thousand casualties. Including those in Smallville. Superman saved billions of innocent lives.
     
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  25. BlueLantern

    BlueLantern Hope Burns Bright

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    Hooray for Superman, we never thought he had it in him. Oh wait...he always wins. Saving billions of lives means very little because the truth is he was going to do this without fail unless the filmmakers wanted to really mess with people's heads.

    The beauty of films like these aren't necessarily the end, unless it's something twisty and turny, but the journey. When the journey of an iconic character fails to incorporate iconic moments or characteristics, the statistics mean bugger-all.

    Having scenes where Clark with a moment's respite immediately whizzes through the city picking people out of harm's way would've gone a thousand miles towards creating a more satisfying experience. It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but the grand scheme is built from small seeds. They're vital.

    I didn't expect him to throw in a quick save everytime, but it would've meant a lot to people like myself it happened. The Jenny scene tugged at the heart strings of New Yorkers, but on a wider scale it probably didn't because the filmmakers took little time to build emotional stakes for the Planeteers.

    But the odd couple of scenes showing Superman swooping into a save a threatened child/woman/any human? It would've done wonders for building him up as mankind's greatest protector. More so than the statistics. We don't see the statistics, we see what's shown with emotional stakes. That's what such films are about. Not numbers.
     
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