Low Fast Food Wages Cost Taxpayers $7 Billion per Year

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The ongoing movement to raise the wages of fast food workers got a boost today from two new reports that attempt to quantify just how much those low wages cost society as a whole. It's a lot.

The first report, out of UC-Berkeley's Labor Center, attempts to calculate the total amount of public benefits that taxpayers provide to low-wage fast food workers, who are not paid enough to cover their basic needs. The findings:

More than half (52 percent) of the families of front-line fast-food workers are enrolled in one or more public programs, compared to 25 percent of the workforce as a whole.
The cost of public assistance to families of workers in the fast-food industry is nearly $7 billion per year.
Even those lucky enough to get full time hours are not immune: "The families of more than half of the fast-food workers employed 40 or more hours per week are enrolled in public assistance programs."

The second report, from the National Employment Law Project, breaks down the public costs by individual fast food company. It says that the ten largest fast food chains, which employ 2.25 million people, cost taxpayers $3.8 billion per year in public assistance. McDonald's alone accounts for $1.2 billion of that figure.

On the one hand I do feel like those companies make more than enough to pay them living wages, but on the other hand what makes their job so different than any other low paying job that they deserve the raise? If we have to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour then the inflation will ultimately be passed down to the consumer.
 
No surprise there. McDonald's leads with nearly twice as much in cost compared to the next nearest competitor.

The cost of living wage has to be compensated somehow otherwise it becomes impossible for people to live. :doh:

Does it have to be $15 an hour? I don't know but if there are ways to balance it out so people can literally afford not to be on welfare anymore I think most people agree that would be a good thing.
 
No surprise there. McDonald's leads with nearly twice as much in cost compared to the next nearest competitor.

The cost of living wage has to be compensated somehow otherwise it becomes impossible for people to live. :doh:

Does it have to be $15 an hour? I don't know but if there are ways to balance it out so people can literally afford not to be on welfare anymore I think most people agree that would be a good thing.

Ya there has to be some kind of middle ground here were people can live and companies can profit
 
Double the wages at McDonalds and the food will cost 2x more which will decrease their sales which will cause layoffs. The min wage does need to be increased and decreased in relation to inflation in my opinion.

BUT...a mom of 3 isn't going to get anywhere working as a cashier at McDonald's. Of course that isn't a liveable wage for them. It is a liveable wage for a college student who has 3 roommates. I would say a good chunk of these people are people that have unfortunately made bad life choices like having kids if your only job is a cashier at McDonald's. It should come as no surprise that person needs outside assistance. There are of course people that have fallen on hard times and just trying to make ends meet and I truly feel for those people. That may sound callous but it's the truth. Not everyone can succeed per natural law but there is a reason why the lesser educated poor smoke, play the lottery, and have more kids than someone who has vastly more amounts of money. It's a sad, vicious cycle that keeps going and going until one is able to escape.

Also, we now live in a corporate state so the wealthy get wealthier and the poor get poorer. No more mom and pop shops...it's all corporations now.
 
Double the wages at McDonalds and the food will cost 2x more which will decrease their sales which will cause layoffs. The min wage does need to be increased and decreased in relation to inflation in my opinion.

BUT...a mom of 3 isn't going to get anywhere working as a cashier at McDonald's. Of course that isn't a liveable wage for them. It is a liveable wage for a college student who has 3 roommates. I would say a good chunk of these people are people that have unfortunately made bad life choices like having kids if your only job is a cashier at McDonald's. It should come as no surprise that person needs outside assistance. There are of course people that have fallen on hard times and just trying to make ends meet and I truly feel for those people. That may sound callous but it's the truth. Not everyone can succeed per natural law but there is a reason why the lesser educated poor smoke, play the lottery, and have more kids than someone who has vastly more amounts of money. It's a sad, vicious cycle that keeps going and going until one is able to escape.

Also, we now live in a corporate state so the wealthy get wealthier and the poor get poorer. No more mom and pop shops...it's all corporations now.

I read a report that said if McDonald's increased all employees on or around minimum wage to $15 an hour they would only have to raise the price by at most $0.25
 
I really doubt that. If they cut into their profits maybe but that isn't going to happen.
 
BUT...a mom of 3 isn't going to get anywhere working as a cashier at McDonald's. Of course that isn't a liveable wage for them. It is a liveable wage for a college student who has 3 roommates. I would say a good chunk of these people are people that have unfortunately made bad life choices like having kids if your only job is a cashier at McDonald's. It should come as no surprise that person needs outside assistance. There are of course people that have fallen on hard times and just trying to make ends meet and I truly feel for those people. That may sound callous but it's the truth. Not everyone can succeed per natural law but there is a reason why the lesser educated poor smoke, play the lottery, and have more kids than someone who has vastly more amounts of money. It's a sad, vicious cycle that keeps going and going until one is able to escape.

I think you hit it on the head here. It INFURIATES my wife and me when people who can't afford to supports themselves (or the kids they already have) keep having kids. We both have full-time jobs, own a house, pay our own bills, etc, and we don't have kids yet because... we can't afford it right now. I have one distant cousin I see a few times a year that has three kids and has never worked a day in her life, and even though her husband occasionally holds a part-time job, she complains about not get enough from the government and how she deserves more to pay for her kids. My wife wants to knock her other front tooth out every time she sees her.

edit: Yes, I know not everyone on government assistance abuses the system, so don't waste your time. It's people like that lazy ass cousin of mine that make me sick.
 
Everyone's going nuts about a Huffington Post story that McDonald's could double wages for all of its employees, including its very well-paid CEO, and pay for this increase by raising the price of a Big Mac by only 68 cents.
Those who would like McDonald's to pay its employees enough to live on love this idea.

And what's not to love?

Finally, McDonald's full-time restaurant employees would not have to suffer the ignominy and hardship of being poor in addition to having to work at McDonald's. Finally, McDonald's restaurants would be staffed by folks who felt proud and lucky to work there. Finally, America's "McJobs" problem, in which middle-class manufacturing jobs are being replaced by low-paying retail service jobs, would be getting addressed at the source. And, finally, America's strapped consumers, some of whom are McDonald's employees, would have more money to spend — and that money might accelerate revenue growth for not just McDonald's (employees eat there, too), but many other companies.

Those who have bought into the "profit maximization" obsession that has taken over American business culture over the past 30 years, however, hate this idea.

McDonald's shouldn't pay its employees a penny more than it absolutely has to, these folks say. It's not McDonald's fault that those employees have no skills and aren't worth more than $7.25 an hour. McDonald's should pay those people as little as possible and deliver as much profit as possible to its shareholders. The only purpose of a company, after all, is to make money for its shareholders. And McDonald's should absolutely not raise the price of its Big Macs by so much as a penny, because then it would sell fewer of them!

Those are the two schools of thought on the McDonald's-doubling-wages talk.

But there is another possibility here — one that, in this profit-obsessed country, no one is even considering.

That possibility is that McDonald's could double its restaurant-worker wages and not increase its prices at all ... but instead just make a little less money. In other words, it could better balance the interests of all three of its stakeholders — shareholders, customers, and employees — instead of shafting employees to deliver as much profit as possible to shareholders.

According to the Kansas City researcher who did the original wages-to-Big Mac study, McDonald's spends about 17% of U.S. revenue on employee salaries and benefits.

If that ratio holds true worldwide, McDonald's would have spent about $4.7 billion on salaries and benefits last year, on revenue of $27 billion. Meanwhile, the company made about $8.5 billion of operating income. (This is for the corporate parent, not the franchises.).

If McDonald's doubled the wages of its restaurant employees (not management, which is presumably very well-compensated), it might add, say, another $3 billion of annual expenses. This would knock its operating profit down to a still healthy $5.5 billion.

Importantly, however, $5.5 billion is still a lot of money. McDonald's would still be very profitable.

Big Macs would still cost the same as they do today (billions and billions would still be served!)

McDonald's managers would still take home their impressive salaries.

And McDonald's restaurant employees would, finally, rise above the poverty line. And their extra spending money would quickly be spent on other products and services, thus helping the whole economy.

By paying these higher wages, McDonald's would also be able to hire the best restaurant workers in the whole economy, thus presumably improving the McDonald's experience for customers and reducing turnover and retraining costs.

So, how about it McDonald's? How about doubling your restaurant employees' wages and just making less money? Your employees will be in great shape. And your shareholders will still do just fine.

UPDATE: Ryan Chittum at CJR dug into McDonald's numbers and estimates that employee costs are about 24% of revenue, not 17%. So if the company doubled wages, its operating income would likely drop a bit more than I ballparked above.

So I was wrong it's $0.68 which is still peanuts to McDonalds. And this is from a business website, here is the link:

http://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-could-double-wages-for-employees-and-make-less-money-2013-7
 
I can't take this seriously. It's their fault if they are lazy and weren't trying to move up in the workforce in the past. I say in the past because the only people who should be complaining at these fast food joints about wages are older people, 30+. Fast food jobs are "high school" jobs. To me I still stand by what I've always felt, that a lot of them are lazy and simply don't want to look for another job. Just because you work at a place like McDonalds doesn't mean you're stuck their for the rest of your life. I worked in fast food when I was in high school and shortly after applied at a better paying job and have kept moving up the work force ladder.
 
That is a lot of presumptions in that article. If employee costs are 24% as noted in the revision and all salaries doubled, that is 48% of revenue...not profit. That is of course the high end estimation. That means revenue must increase 25% to meet current gains. There is absolutely no way that would happen. That means increasing costs by 25% or increasing sales by 25% and neither of those are realistic. Again, that is the high end estimate. Actual costs are likely lower by a tad.

Increasing their pay by say 25% instead of 200% seems highly realistic. Making $9 or so seems very doable with minimum impact. But, I don't run their business so idk. A 200% wage increase is totally unrealistic.
 
There's a lot of presumption in this thread that people want to be in this situation or somehow deserve it.
 
It actually would be 1/3 of operating costs of $27 billion if salaries doubled to then become $9 billion. So 33%, not 25%.
 
There's a lot of presumption in this thread that people want to be in this situation or somehow deserve it.
I don't think I saw someone say 'want' until you just did.
 
No one used the word directly but it doesn't mean no one said it.
 
What it really comes down to is that the government either has to increase wages, or provide more benefits.

It is impossible for people to subsist on minimum wages. And really, the self-proclaimed greatest country in the world should be going for more than "subsist".
 
edit: Yes, I know not everyone on government assistance abuses the system, so don't waste your time. It's people like that lazy ass cousin of mine that make me sick.

It's not working at McDonald's but it's the same thing. Living off welfare like it's a lifestyle. She wants to be in this situation, only getting more money from the government to do so.

There are very few people who actually think this is a situation to be in that's good. Most people in it don't want to be and would willingly be working a job that was paying better, if it existed.

Although it has occured to me, how many of you regularly eat at a fast food place?
 
That is a lot of presumptions in that article. If employee costs are 24% as noted in the revision and all salaries doubled, that is 48% of revenue...not profit. That is of course the high end estimation. That means revenue must increase 25% to meet current gains. There is absolutely no way that would happen. That means increasing costs by 25% or increasing sales by 25% and neither of those are realistic. Again, that is the high end estimate. Actual costs are likely lower by a tad.

Increasing their pay by say 25% instead of 200% seems highly realistic. Making $9 or so seems very doable with minimum impact. But, I don't run their business so idk. A 200% wage increase is totally unrealistic.

Well we both agree here, I don't think $15 hr is realistic at all but like you said maybe $9-10 would be a good start at helping their employees raise their current living standards
 
I wouldn't work for less than $10 an hour. Literally it costs you more to work for less than it would to be unemployed.

In 35 states.
 
Again, no one said the majority WANT to be there though I'm sure some do or don't care. It's the choices be them intentional or unintentional that lead them there and/or keep them there. As I already mentioned, the working poor have on average more children, do drugs, smoke, have lower education, and play the lottery more than a middle or upper class family. It's just bad life choices. It's sad but it's reality. These fast food workers need more government assistance not just because they work at McDonald's. That is such an overreaching statement. A single mother of 3 would have trouble getting by on $25 an hour after taxes. So it's a no duh that the companies with the lowest level jobs in this country have high rates of employees needing government assistance. Could some additional help be it a wage increase help? Yes. Does it need to be a 200% increase? No...that's just warm feelings utopia rose tinted dumbocracy (TM).
 
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And just how many single mothers of 3 are there working at McDonald's? You keep using this statistic as if it's the only one that happens to be working there. What about all those who aren't a single mother of 3 but have been laid off from work or have no job skills applicable to work in their area? Where do they get the ability to move out of this position? What about those who are older and no one will hire them but they still need to work?

You seem to promote there's this specific set of poor people who can't do any better and are never going to be anything but burger flippers or that this is their lot in life, "Not everyone can succeed per natural law but there is a reason why the lesser educated poor smoke, play the lottery, and have more kids than someone who has vastly more amounts of money."

Way to stereotype all those people as being too incompetent to do anything in life.
 
I'm in a lucky position. My rent is $400 a month all utilities, internet, tv, everything is included. My cell is $60 unlimited everything. Those are my 2 bills. I could easily live on $8 hr and live comfortably. Most people don't have that luxury. My DJing more than gets me by but since I've decided I want more than that I'm picking up a day job for the week since I make my money on the weekend.

The only kind of jobs that pay more than $8 hr in central and most of FL is telemarketing. Luckily I'm great on the phones because I've done it for years. Anytime I want a job I start the next day. When I get burned out I quit. And if I ever want more money I do it all over again. Telemarketing is a cut throat industry and if you aren't making deals than you won't have a job. Not everyone can make the cut and bounce from place to place scraping by on a few weeks of pay at a time.

Fast food jobs at least have security compared to that but most places aren't hiring. So numerous people don't have the ability to go to school and raise their family and work as many hours a week as they can. Fast food used to be a high school job but time and time again the fast food joints have the pick of the litter and would rather hire someone they know will be stuck there, that has a solid work history and refrences because they know once they get them there they are essentially minimum wage slaves
 
And just how many single mothers of 3 are there working at McDonald's? You keep using this statistic as if it's the only one that happens to be working there. What about all those who aren't a single mother of 3 but have been laid off from work or have no job skills applicable to work in their area? Where do they get the ability to move out of this position? What about those who are older and no one will hire them but they still need to work?

You seem to promote there's this specific set of poor people who can't do any better and are never going to be anything but burger flippers or that this is their lot in life, "Not everyone can succeed per natural law but there is a reason why the lesser educated poor smoke, play the lottery, and have more kids than someone who has vastly more amounts of money."

Way to stereotype all those people as being too incompetent to do anything in life.
So there are more higher educated professionals flipping burgers than teenagers or high school or less educated individuals?

Am I wrong about my statements of class comparisons? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
You are wrong about who takes these fast food jobs these days, read my previous post
 

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