The Amazing Spider-Man Marc Webb to return? - Part 1

[Anno_Domini]

It's also nowhere near as hated, or a failure as people make it out to be on this forum either.

I wouldn't call it a failure, but I wouldn't call it a huge achievement either. It's a huge achievement, imo, when it's not just better than Spider-Man 3. But, that's what the sequel is for. I hope for a sequel that has a true vision without having to hear about scenes, that could be pivotal, being taken out of the theatrical cut. And most of those loose plots to be concluded in the sequel.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I wouldn't call it a failure, but I wouldn't call it a huge achievement either. It's a huge achievement, imo, when it's not just better than Spider-Man 3. But, that's what the sequel is for. I hope for a sequel that has a true vision without having to hear about scenes, that could be pivotal, being taken out of the theatrical cut. And most of those loose plots to be concluded in the sequel.

Yeah. I thought it was the best Spider-Man movie to date though.

There's exaggerations being made about this movie from both sides.

I liked TASM, but I don't think it was groundbreaking either. It was my favourite Spider-Man movie though... and now that the origin stuff has been done, I've got a feeling that Webb can really tap into something great and blow everyone away.

 

[©KAW]

It's a good thing he's returning, i've been saying that since day one. However, I am just saying that the movie isn't as universally praised as this forum tends to make it out to be.

That for me is just lovely. The way you all praised the already overrated Avengers and putting it on the level of The Dark Knight in quality is freakin' laughable. Here's to hoping that The Raimians and The Buffy director's fanboys forever hate this franchise. I have seen what you all call great or brilliant, and I want no part of it in these new Spider-Man films.

 

[AF3619]

I liked TASM, but I don't think it was groundbreaking either. It was my favourite Spider-Man movie though... and now that the origin stuff has been done, I've got a feeling that Webb can really tap into something great and blow everyone away.

feel the same

 

[LegendAssemble]

That for me is just lovely. The way you all praised the already overrated Avengers and putting it on the level of The Dark Knight in quality is freakin' laughable. Here's to hoping that The Raimians and The Buffy director's fanboys forever hate this franchise. I have seen what you all call great or brilliant, and I want no part of it in these new Spider-Man films.

"The Buffy director" isn't derogatory given that Buffy is one of the most successful and critically recieved tv series of all time. I never said Avengers was on the quality level of Dark Knight, however they're both two very different films. They're like Apples and Oranges, they're both very different tasting and in composition but both are fruits none the less. I'm not going to derail this topic again with your attempts at convincing us that a universally acclaimed movie is just michael bay.

Being said, I love Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2, they both summarize the themes and tones that Spider-Man has at it's core, but thats not the only way to go about making a superhero film. It's obvious the studio saw what Marvel did with Iron Man, making grounded serious Batman Beginsesc superhero movie, while maintaining a light hearted tone, and said "hey we could totally do that with Spider-Man". They hired an up coming director who can handle the charming average joe that Peter Parker should be, listened to the fans (webshooters, when Gwen, the Lizard), and pulled together a talented cast. They then however went on to edit the movie poorly and cut out possibly pivotal scenes, which is a bad move.

Anno and I aren't "Raimians", we simply just see that the movies is a bit forgettable and flawed, and not better than Spider-Man 1 or 2. There are plenty of great things about the movie, and speaking for myself, I wouldn't go as far as saying it's a bad movie either. It just isn't quite what it should have been.

 

[flickchick85]

I liked TASM, but I don't think it was groundbreaking either. It was my favourite Spider-Man movie though... and now that the origin stuff has been done, I've got a feeling that Webb can really tap into something great and blow everyone away.

My feelings exactly.

I am SO glad to hear that Marc's coming back, because I think he laid the groundwork for an epic adaptation of the Gwen Stacy saga, and I really want him to see that through with the same attention to heart and character that made TAS so effective for me.

And I wonder if any of those who insisted there was "no way" he was gonna come back (or that Sony would even want him back) are gonna come dine on their crow.

 

[Micromind]

TASM was a good introduction to the new world that Webb has created, having a different tone than Raimi's Trilogy now in the sequel I hope he builds it further and delivers a good movie.

In a way I am happy that Sony did not hire a new director, hoping for the best.

 

[chaseter]

Looks like they somehow lured Marc Webb back. Imma be honest...he is better than those awful replacements that were rumored. I will give him one more chance. If he can't make a better sequel then he sucks. If Sony can't leave the editing room alone then I want Marvel to have the rights back after this one.

Except for Rian Johnson...damn.

 

[flickchick85]

Rian Johnson will have his superhero day. Very soon, I'd imagine (if he wants it, that is). I'd personally love to see him take over the Batman franchise now. He has sensibilities that are both noir-ish and fantastical that I think could work wonders for re-imagining the Bat-verse, imo.

 

[spider-neil]

Great news that Marc is back, ASM was a 'good' movie to make ASM 2 a 'great' movie I think Webb needs to address the following which imho were a problem in the first movie;

1. The Villian
Make it a 'human' villian with powers. Mysterio, Electro.
A villian who can give a proper performance without you being taken out of the movie due to CG. Get a villian with chrisma, charm, threat, someone to challenge Peter physically and mentally. As much as I liked ASM for me the drop off was steep the second the Lizard was introudced.

2. 'Tweak' Peter's personality slightly.
A lot of the time (to me at least) Peter was coming off unsympathetic.
His treatment of his aunt and uncle (yeah, he had a lot on his mind but still) and other instances which I wont mention. Garfield is a great actor and he is more than capable of exhuding warmth, charm and most of all likeability but in some instance he just came off a *****e.

3. 'Tweak' Spidey's wisecracks.
Seems strange to have a slight complaint seeing as Raimi hardly had ANY, all I will say is Webb should watch the execution of wisecracks in the Spectacular Spider-Man. That is perfect level and effect of what wisecracks should achieve.

Other than that I thought the rest of ASM was excellent and the heart and soul and relationships were spot on, so just keep doing that, Marc.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Lets see the real Green Goblin.

 

[Smegger56]

Great news that Marc is back, ASM was a 'good' movie to make ASM 2 a 'great' movie I think Webb needs to address the following which imho were a problem in the first movie;

1. The Villian
Make it a 'human' villian with powers. Mysterio, Electro.
A villian who can give a proper performance without you being taken out of the movie due to CG. Get a villian with chrisma, charm, threat, someone to challenge Peter physically and mentally. As much as I liked ASM for me the drop off was steep the second the Lizard was introudced.

2. 'Tweak' Peter's personality slightly.
A lot of the time (to me at least) Peter was coming off unsympathetic.
His treatment of his aunt and uncle (yeah, he had a lot on his mind but still) and other instances which I wont mention. Garfield is a great actor and he is more than capable of exhuding warmth, charm and most of all likeability but in some instance he just came off a *****e.

3. 'Tweak' Spidey's wisecracks.
Seems strange to have a slight complaint seeing as Raimi hardly had ANY, all I will say is Webb should watch the execution of wisecracks in the Spectacular Spider-Man. That is perfect level and effect of what wisecracks should achieve.

Other than that I thought the rest of ASM was excellent and the heart and soul and relationships were spot on, so just keep doing that, Marc.

I think with your second comment, he had loads on his mind. And you can see at the end, when he comes home, looking battered and tired, he was carryng eggs and stuff. I thought that showed he's getting his act together at home.

In regards to your third comment, personally, I was happy with what we had. I would like a little more (now the origin is out and we get spidey from the go we should) but only when appropriate and wont come off as cringe worthy lol.

My big one is I would like a tighter villian arc in this one

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Sorry I'm late to the party but this is the best news I've heard all month.

 

[Oscorp]

Bwhahahaha this made me laugh!

But yeah, I'm super excited now!! I really wished for Webb & Co to return and now it's confirmed, I can't be more happy about that!

 

[Oscorp]

OK let's have some actual discussion about this now.

I think I read someone say Marc Webb seemed displeased with how Sony cut out some important scenes? If we have any source on that, it would be very welcome.

But IF that is true, it's cool to see Webb return anyway because that must mean that he's still very excited about making this and maybe has more creative "power" (or he's given more money hehe!). Let's hope Sony doesn't screw some editing or other creative choices now, regardless.

But I'm very happy Webb gets to continue his story. However that doesn't mean Sony won't screw with it, so let's just hope for the best. Do you guys think they'll let Webb do his thing more now or maybe they'll try to get their hands in it even more?

 

[SpideyFan866]

OK let's have some actual discussion about this now.

I think I read someone say Marc Webb seemed displeased with how Sony cut out some important scenes? If we have any source on that, it would be very welcome.

But IF that is true, it's cool to see Webb return anyway because that must mean that he's still very excited about making this and maybe has more creative "power" (or he's given more money hehe!). Let's hope Sony doesn't screw some editing or other creative choices now, regardless.

But I'm very happy Webb gets to continue his story. However that doesn't mean Sony won't screw with it, so let's just hope for the best. Do you guys think they'll let Webb do his thing more now or maybe they'll try to get their hands in it even more?

Yeah. There was never confirmation on that.

I guess the film itself can be taken as confirmation that changes did happen to his vision if the rumors that the origin was different were in fact true.

 

[Micromind]

Do you guys think they'll let Webb do his thing more now or maybe they'll try to get their hands in it even more?

[YT]QAm7859bITE[/YT]

Since TASM has earned "King of Reboots" title, Sony would give him more freedom than they did last time. I would prefer that Sony gave him full freedom, but that is a rare thing these days.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Looks like they somehow lured Marc Webb back. Imma be honest...he is better than those awful replacements that were rumored. I will give him one more chance. If he can't make a better sequel then he sucks. If Sony can't leave the editing room alone then I want Marvel to have the rights back after this one.

Except for Rian Johnson...damn.

my thoughts exactly.

 

[Nathan]

I hope they keep building up Osborn as this shadowy guy. Maybe just show quick glimpses of him so you could already guess he's already the Green Goblin. But no full on reveal until the 3rd movie.

 

[Visualiza]

I'll give it a go, with reservations. As atrocious as I found TASM to be, I'm a sucker for Spider-Man and movies in general, and it's entirely possible that this director and his crew can craft a better movie next time around. Shame that they couldn't find someone more creative, though.

I had always hated Len Wiseman as a director...but then he helmed Live Free or Die Hard, which I thought was fantastic. For the time being, I hold Marc Webb in the same regard until he can prove me wrong. Only other thing I can say is that for his own sake, he had better be careful. I look at his experience with TASM as being very similar to what happened to David Fincher with Alien 3, in that the studio chose a relatively inexperienced director to helm a coveted franchise so that the strings would be easier to pull. Obviously, Fincher learned from this and his track record speaks for itself. Ultimately it depends on how good the next film is, but he may or may not be falling into the trap of being a studio puppet.

 

[LegendAssemble]

OK let's have some actual discussion about this now.

I think I read someone say Marc Webb seemed displeased with how Sony cut out some important scenes? If we have any source on that, it would be very welcome.

But IF that is true, it's cool to see Webb return anyway because that must mean that he's still very excited about making this and maybe has more creative "power" (or he's given more money hehe!). Let's hope Sony doesn't screw some editing or other creative choices now, regardless.

But I'm very happy Webb gets to continue his story. However that doesn't mean Sony won't screw with it, so let's just hope for the best. Do you guys think they'll let Webb do his thing more now or maybe they'll try to get their hands in it even more?

It was never confirmed but all the evidence suggests that they did. I mean they did the same thing to Raimis film, and the dialogue and the writing was good and well thought out, so the plot holes that are left are definitely not the creation of the writers. Not to mention the fact Marc Webb dropped the altered origin hint himself, if I recall.

 

[Nathan]

If they only hadn't gone with the changed origin to begin with. Then they wouldn't have had to cut anything and it wouldn't feel like there was something missing.

 

[LegendAssemble]

If the only hadn't gone with the changed origin to begin with. Then they wouldn't have had to cut anything and it wouldn't feel like there was something missing.

Pretty much, and once they went with it they shoulda stuck with it, since it doesn't seem like an Ang Lee Hulk changed origin. Seems more like Richard used his DNA and Peter being his son was able to survive the cross species process, but who really knows :/

 

[Troy_Parker]

I'm interested in the supposed "changed" origin. Just because everything wasn't answered in movie 1, why do you all think it's been dropped? Have we forgotten there's 2 more movies on the way?

 

[Nathan]

I think it's been dropped, because everything that hinted toward Peter's tampered DNA, was cut. I think it'd be stupid to cut it from the Origin Movie, only to introduce it later again. It's gone now and won't be coming back. Not that I'm disappointed by it. Just wish they would have stuck with the classic origin in the first place. Just a freak accident.