Homecoming Marvel & Sony's Spider-Man (2017) General Discussion - - - Part 31

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[I Am The Knight]

Not at the beginning. He isn't ugly, but he isn't a popular kid like O'Brien.

It's called acting.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well into new thread and my last post was cut off.

I don't see dylan looks as problem. He looks very close to comics peter. And looks ie hair styles cloths glasses. They can make him look and act geekier and nerdy. But if we are post bite and active as spidey for bit. He should be well past super nerdy puny parker phase.

 

[Talion]

It's called acting.

Indeed, but Marvel isn't picking him. Trust me on that one.

 

[ernesth100]

Indeed, but Marvel isn't picking him. Trust me on that one.

With all due respect Talion, you seem like a nice guy. You follow the rules and generally try to be polite. But I am not, I repeat, not going to trust some random user on a forum about an actor who won't be chosen. I will not abandon what I believe because you don't like it.


When Marvel or Sony comes out and says *insert name here* is Peter Parker/Spider-Man and that actor isn't Dylan O'Brien. Then I'll mosey on down to these forums and say "Talion you were right" and move on. But until then there is a perment #TeamDylan on my sig. Thank You.

 

[Talion]

With all due respect Talion, you seem like a nice guy. You follow the rules and generally try to be polite. But I am not, I repeat, not going to trust some random user on a forum about an actor who won't be chosen. I will not abandon what I believe because you don't like it.


When Marvel or Sony comes out and says *insert name here* is Peter Parker/Spider-Man and that actor isn't Dylan O'Brien. Then I'll mosey on down to these forums and say "Talion you were right" and move on. But until then there is a perment #TeamDylan on my sig. Thank You.

And I don't have a single problem with that. As long as people allow the other users to talk about other actors for the role, I'm okay with you been "TEAMDYLAN" forever. And ever.

 

[John Locke]

Of course there are people who are vocal against O'Brien on Twitter there are people who are vocal against him here. There has been no casting ever that has had 100% unanimous. Even Benedict Cumberbatch, the internet's golden boy, had tweets who didn't like him as Strange. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what anyone thinks because we'll stand behind the actor and the GA's response will be "Why are they rebooting him again?" Barring some radical change nothing will change that.

 

[Mumei]

Well into new thread and my last post was cut off.

I don't see dylan looks as problem. He looks very close to comics peter. And looks ie hair styles cloths glasses. They can make him look and act geekier and nerdy. But if we are post bite and active as spidey for bit. He should be well past super nerdy puny parker phase.

ernesth100 posted this earlier today.

It's not a problem. And for what it's worth, he did experience bullying as a kid. He's talked about other kids treating him like crap, being deeply introverted and shy, and going four or five years without any friends.

Mumei, I get that you are a Dylan O'Brien fan. The reality is that people outside the Dylan O'Brien bubble would be VERY annoyed with a good looking kid getting the role of a teenager. AGAIN. I wasn't picking and I could go on, but there is a backlash against him as Spider-Man already, you can look it up yourself.

Talion, I just did the same search you did. I saw an overwhelmingly positive response, with less than a handful of negative tweets. It's not a convincing argument that there is a budding backlash. I've seen how non-fans react to him. On the forums where I post, the general reaction was, "Well, he sort of looks the part, but can he act?" And then someone would post this video, and those same people would say that they would be disappointed if anyone else was picked, that they were sold, that they wouldn't accept anyone else, etc.

Which isn't to say that there weren't any negative responses - (two) people who already knew him and didn't like him; people who thought that he was too conventionally good-looking; people who would prefer that Marvel cast a non-white actor - but the idea that "people outside the bubble" aren't amenable to the idea doesn't match my experience. And you've yet to provide support for that idea, either. You've claimed it on the basis of four cherry-picked tweets, and that's not very compelling.

 

[LizardMan07]

Daniel Rand ‏@dexdexxx5 Sep 19
@dylanobrien wish I could, me and the family will see it on Saturday. Keep up the great work!

My point is that I get it, there are some O'Brien supporters with new accounts and campaigning for him on social media. But common folk though? They seem rather annoyed by the idea of him playing Spider-Man.

So what you're saying is people's opinions aren't relevant if they previously liked the actor?

Pull the other one Talion, you made a mistake saying he isn't that popular on Twitter, fact of the matter is that he is.

I know it's easier to consider opinions that match yours to be of more value, but in reality every opinion has a relatively equal value.

If you don't believe that, the world starts to conform to your beliefs, hence why you managed to come up with that tin foil hat theory about miles morales killing peter Parker but then un-killing him.

You ARE cherry picking if you degrade one opinion over another. Obviously there's a minority that are against Dylan, and you can keep posting their tweets all you want, but you're really only deluding yourself Talion!

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30515721&postcount=227

I wasn't a Dylan Obrien fan, still don't think he's that great as a person. However he is the the best option for the role at the moment.

Am I no longer a spiderman fan and simply a dylan O'brien fan just because I want him for the role? Because that seems to be what you're implying

#KeepAndrewGarfield

 

[ernesth100]

@Talion, oh yeah we can totally discuss other actors. Infact we where discussing something totally different before this whole Dylan thing started up for some reason.

@John Locke, agreed.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

And I don't have a single problem with that. As long as people allow the other users to talk about other actors for the role, I'm okay with you been "TEAMDYLAN" forever. And ever.

Bevause youre totally letting people who want dylan discuss him right?

To be totally clear, I along with everyone who thinks (most likely at least) dylan would be good in the role are Spider-Man fans first and foremost. Not dylan fanboys, and us wanting him in the role doesnt make us such.

 

[zizzy]

I honestly do not get the whole, "Dylan is too cool," thing. Like, I don't want him as Spider-Man but his main role has been a nerdy side-kick type character who for three seasons had a running gag of being a virgin and not getting the girl he was chasing after. And even in The Internship he wasn't one of the "cool kids." There was a reason he was in the group of misfits. (Yes, I watched that movie. Yes, I regretted it.)

Then again, I don't get the whole push back against an attractive looking guy for Peter. Everyone in movies always looks amazing. It's weird to push for a less attractive actor when the supporting cast is probably going to look amazing anyway. Plus, let me tell you, an attractive (and legal) Peter is going to get my butt in a seat faster than someone less conventionally attractive. It's petty, but it's true. Attractive guys are nice to look at. *shrugs*

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya I think we should all be able to say who we like or dislike. Officially we don't know who was or wasn't looked at. And really I brought this up before. Only names ever mentioned in a semi official means was dylan and logan. No one else name been linked by the trades. Everyone else either been speculation from us fans and from reporters. Or its just been actors themselfs like Asa josh Freddie saying they love to take the role. We don't know how cast gone or what was ages they started with went with ie decided on. Any one from 15 to 25 range likely was or is a option to marvel sony.

 

[Talion]

So what you're saying is people's opinions aren't relevant if they previously liked the actor?

Pull the other one Talion, you made a mistake saying he isn't that popular on Twitter, fact of the matter is that he is.

I know it's easier to consider opinions that match yours to be of more value, but in reality every opinion has a relatively equal value.

If you don't believe that, the world starts to conform to your beliefs, hence why you managed to come up with that tin foil hat theory about miles morales killing peter Parker but then un-killing him.

You ARE cherry picking if you degrade one opinion over another. Obviously there's a minority that are against Dylan, and you can keep posting their tweets all you want, but you're really only deluding yourself Talion!

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30515721&postcount=227

I wasn't a Dylan Obrien fan, still don't think he's that great as a person. However he is the the best option for the role at the moment.

Am I no longer a spiderman fan and simply a dylan O'brien fan just because I want him for the role? Because that seems to be what you're implying

#KeepAndrewGarfield

I never said that he isn't popular on twitter. Read what I've been writing here in the last hour or so in context: he IS popular on Twitter. In fact he has quite a huge female teenage following. He is literally the Robert Pattison of our time. And that's exactly why I don't think Marvel is going to cast him as Spider-Man, the kind of popularity that he gets comes with a lot of backlash, basically the pretty boy that everyone thinks that he is perfect and oh so dreamy.

 

[Talion]

I honestly do not get the whole, "Dylan is too cool," thing. Like, I don't want him as Spider-Man but his main role has been a nerdy side-kick type character who for three seasons had a running gag of being a virgin and not getting the girl he was chasing after. And even in The Internship he wasn't one of the "cool kids." There was a reason he was in the group of misfits. (Yes, I watched that movie. Yes, I regretted it.)

Then again, I don't get the whole push back against an attractive looking guy for Peter. Everyone in movies always looks amazing. It's weird to push for a less attractive actor when the supporting cast is probably going to look amazing anyway. Plus, let me tell you, an attractive (and legal) Peter is going to get my butt in a seat faster than someone less conventionally attractive. It's petty, but it's true. Attractive guys are nice to look at. *shrugs*

Basically you are a fan of O'Brien but you don't want him to play Peter but you think that he could play nerdy and thinks that he is perfect for Spider-Man.

Got it. t:

 

[ernesth100]

Basically you are a fan of O'Brien but you don't want him to play Peter but you think that he could play nerdy and thinks that he is perfect for Spider-Man.

Got it. t:

....What?

 

[Talion]

Ya I think we should all be able to say who we like or dislike. Officially we don't know who was or wasn't looked at. And really I brought this up before. Only names ever mentioned in a semi official means was dylan and logan. No one else name been linked by the trades. Everyone else either been speculation from us fans and from reporters. Or its just been actors themselfs like Asa josh Freddie saying they love to take the role. We don't know how cast gone or what was ages they started with went with ie decided on. Any one from 15 to 25 range likely was or is a option to marvel sony.

TheWrap is a trade.

According to CBS Market Watch, Waxman raised $500,000 for The Wrap News, as a news portal site covering entertainment and media, which launched on January 26, 2009. A second round of financing was closed in 2010. By 2013 TheWrap.com had grown into a site with 30 employees. It also convenes an annual conference attended by leaders in entertainment, media and technology called TheGrill. TheWrap was nominated as the Best Entertainment website in 2012 and named the best online news site in both 2012 and 2009 at the National Entertainment Journalism Awards by the Los Angeles Press Club.

TheWrap competes with other Hollywood news sites, with its most direction competition as of 2014 being Deadline Hollywood.

From their wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheWrap

TheWrap's main competition is Deadline Hollywood, THE trade in Hollywood. And you know who said that heard that they have narrowed down around 15-18 year olds and Asa Butterfield and Nolan Gould are among the names that "got in" to audition? You've guessed right, Jeff Sneider, the guy on TheWrap usually behind most of their first hand scoops. Yes it's just a rumor, but they show where Marvel is heading with this.

 

[Mumei]

I honestly do not get the whole, "Dylan is too cool," thing. Like, I don't want him as Spider-Man but his main role has been a nerdy side-kick type character who for three seasons had a running gag of being a virgin and not getting the girl he was chasing after. And even in The Internship he wasn't one of the "cool kids." There was a reason he was in the group of misfits. (Yes, I watched that movie. Yes, I regretted it.)

Then again, I don't get the whole push back against an attractive looking guy for Peter. Everyone in movies always looks amazing. It's weird to push for a less attractive actor when the supporting cast is probably going to look amazing anyway. Plus, let me tell you, an attractive (and legal) Peter is going to get my butt in a seat faster than someone less conventionally attractive. It's petty, but it's true. Attractive guys are nice to look at. *shrugs*

Peter Parker has been attractive in the comics ever since John Romita started. Parker has looked like this very early on:

I just read The Big Time yesterday, and he looks like this:

He hasn't looked like this:

Since Ditko was doing the art in the early 1960s.

Parker has basically been repurposed (over fifty years ago!) as the nerdy boy version of the girl who takes off her glasses and has a makeover and everyone realizes she was Beautiful All Along. And in Parker's case, we get this:

 

[Talion]

You are ignoring that Marvel is going with a teenager for Peter Parker but hey, don't let my reasoning stop your "Dylan4Spidey" parade.

 

[C. Lee]

I never said that he isn't popular on twitter. Read what I've been writing here in the last hour or so in context: he IS popular on Twitter. In fact he has quite a huge female teenage following. He is literally the Robert Pattison of our time. And that's exactly why I don't think Marvel is going to cast him as Spider-Man, the kind of popularity that he gets comes with a lot of backlash, basically the pretty boy that everyone thinks that he is perfect and oh so dreamy.

I've been here at the Hype for a long time.....and it's always hilarious (I say always, because it happens a hell of a lot) when young guys complain that other people find some actor "pretty" or think he's "dreamy" as if that disqualifies from being considered a real actor.

 

[zizzy]

He is literally the Robert Pattison of our time. And that's exactly why I don't think Marvel is going to cast him as Spider-Man, the kind of popularity that he gets comes with a lot of backlash, basically the pretty boy that everyone thinks that he is perfect and oh so dreamy.

Okay. Back-up. Dude's popular on tumblr (like sixth most reblogged behind the Sherlock/Supernatural/Doctor Who trifecta I believe) but he ain't no Robert Pattison.

Also, what?

Just like what?

I can't even adequately respond to that line of thinking. God forbid girls like something....

Basically you are a fan of O'Brien but you don't want him to play Peter but you think that he could play nerdy and thinks that he is perfect for Spider-Man.

Got it.

I think he'd do fine. Do I want him to do it? No. How is that so hard to understand? I'd rather have someone else do it. Haven't really found anyone I like yet--Asa is admittedly growing on me--but that's beside the point.

I am allowed to not want him based purely on personal preference, right? I mean, objectively I get his appeal, and I'm a bit of a fan of his work in other stuff. But personally, nope. Not a fan of the idea of him as Spider-Man. I can introduce you to some other people who share my opinion as well if you'd like.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

TheWrap is a trade.



From their wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheWrap

TheWrap's main competition is Deadline Hollywood, THE trade in Hollywood. And you know who said that heard that they have narrowed down around 15-18 year olds and Asa Butterfield and Nolan Gould are among the names that "got in" to audition? You've guessed right, Jeff Sneider, the guy on TheWrap usually behind most of their first hand scoops. Yes it's just a rumor, but they show where Marvel is heading with this.

Jeff himself said if it had any credibility itd be on the wrap.

 

[LizardMan07]

I never said that he isn't popular on twitter. Read what I've been writing here in the last hour or so in context: he IS popular on Twitter. In fact he has quite a huge female teenage following. He is literally the Robert Pattison of our time. And that's exactly why I don't think Marvel is going to cast him as Spider-Man, the kind of popularity that he gets comes with a lot of backlash, basically the pretty boy that everyone thinks that he is perfect and oh so dreamy.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=31053307&postcount=974

Oh ok, I must have missed the part where "there's already a huge backlash against Dylan" meant "dylan is really popular on Twitter". My bad

Hard to discuss things with somebody that hurls the goalposts 50m to the left everytime somebody points out that what they're saying is ridiculous.

#keepandrewgarfield

 

[ernesth100]

I swear we're gonna tear eachother apart over this crap.