Born Again Marvel Studios’ Daredevil: Born Again General Discussion Thread

[Filmfreak]

The first season was quite good, the second one was trash.

 

[Gu3ree]

I enjoyed the second season. I know the majority seemingly loved season 3 and considered it the best, I was still missing that red suit and wanted to see Murdock redon the red suit eventually. Season 3 felt like a rehash of season 1, black suit again and Kingpin was the main villain as he was in season 1. It was practically season 1 again, they just scratched out The Hand.

I did like season 3 on the whole, but just hated that we had to go a full season without seeing Matt in the red suit again. Seems like one of the producers on the series was so worked up about the idea of costumes. The producer seemed to be apologetic about the costumes. Iron Fist just never worked for me. I feel like if he at least had the mask, or a version of the suit-no need to be an exact match-it might have made a slight difference. I thought Iron Fist was trash.

Up to that point, I had gotten tired of the restrictions on these Netflix Marvel series, having a lower budget, and not being able to show the Avengers Tower in the background in various shots. That and not being able to connect it the shows more to the MCU, albeit, I still wanted the show to maintain its realistic tone. I hope the show will maintain its grounded setting, albeit, have a bigger budget--and I'm open to the idea of it cameos (as long as they're not forced) or appearances by other characters--I want to see Tom Holland's Spider-Man on the Daredevil series, except Holland's Spider-Man should be toned down, and be less theatrical-like and refrain from making corny MCU style jokes-and be slightly more grounded to be in tone with the Daredevil series.

 

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[Spider-Fan]

Punisher was a great series. Loved both seasons. I would say it was my 3rd favorite of the Netflix shows behind Daredevil and Jessica Jones

 

[Mike Murdock]

^ I agree, just draw a bullseye

I just realized I never saw Bernthal's Punisher series. Is it good?!

It was solid. It meandered a bit, but I liked it.

 

[TheVileOne]

I have no interest in a new Punisher series unless it's actually going to be Punisher and they have actual villains. Stop having him retire at the beginning as well. What they did with Jigsaw in Season 2 was god awful.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Punisher was a great series. Loved both seasons. I would say it was my 3rd favorite of the Netflix shows behind Daredevil and Jessica Jones

I loved both seasons as well. I have it ranked 2nd out of all Netflix shows. Daredevil obviously #1.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I tried watching the first season of the Punisher show and it wasn't holding my interest. Does it get better at some point?

 

[TheVileOne]

I tried watching the first season of the Punisher show and it wasn't holding my interest. Does it get better at some point?

IMHO, no it doesn't. The problem is that the writers clearly don't like The Punisher and didn't know how to make a Punisher show or how to rectify Frank Castle's existence in the modern era. I'm not saying I don't understand or am not sympathetic to that dilemma. But they didn't know how to deal with it in an era where police officers and soldiers worship the Punisher and brandish the skull emblem.

It was easier for Jack Reacher to get away with basically being a Punisher-like character because he doesn't wear a skull motif.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

IMHO, no it doesn't. The problem is that the writers clearly don't like The Punisher and didn't know how to make a Punisher show or how to rectify Frank Castle's existence in the modern era. I'm not saying I don't understand or am not sympathetic to that dilemma. But they didn't know how to deal with it in an era where police officers and soldiers worship the Punisher and brandish the skull emblem.

It was easier for Jack Reacher to get away with basically being a Punisher-like character because he doesn't wear a skull motif.

I mean, I don't tune into a show about The Punisher because he's a heroic and noble person. I want to see him **** **** up and kill bad guys in brutal ways.

The main problem with today's entertainment is these IPs get handed to a lot of creatives that hate the source material or think they are better than it and or want to use it to preach their social beliefs or invite us into the world's most boring therapy session where they work out their baggage. They wind up making shows and movies for no one.

 

[Breogan]

While they inherited the skull from (comics) and Netflix continuity, so they have to address it.
If true above^ it looks like the police (or a fringe group) may have co-opted his symbol.
So that actually might be what the show addresses, don't be surprised if his whole arc might have him now reject it, and find he has to fight them.
Or worse adopt that new "fixed" Disney copyright safe symbol. Or whatever that was?

Though I agree Cops or people in a position of authority who adopt or fetishize that symbol and still pretend to represent the "law" have lost the thread, and don't understand what it means or their role.
And the fantasy Punisher would likely be the first to take them out.
In doing so he'd keep his firkin symbol though. Hope he does here.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think some of it is born from how many cops are ex-military (estimated to be about 25% in law enforcement) and they also worship the Punisher character due to his military background. I'm sure many military members identify with Frank due to his PTSD or how the character frequently characterizes his military experience. I'm not justifying the worship and fetishizing of a fictional comic book character, or basically trying to adopt the views of a fictional character. But I think this is one of the roots of the whole issue.

It certainly felt like in Daredevil that Bernthal was attempting to channel some genuinely relevant material when he talks about his family and how nervous he would get when he'd return home. Also, when his wife speaks about how he's there physically, but mentally he's still in Afghanistan. I'm sure those feelings are things people who have served in the military have had to deal with and have felt for decades.

IMHO, I simply view The Punisher as a cool, entertaining character. But he's still a fictional character. I'm sure people want to see themselves in characters like this just as kids want to see themselves as Spider-Man/Peter Parker or Miles Morales, the Black Panther, Superman what have you. But you still need to be able to separate fiction from reality. Maybe military soldiers simply see themselves in Castle/Punisher in a way that other characters do not. I think the problem is that law enforcement are licensed to carry lethal weapons and they basically have a license to kill another human being So if they emblazon themselves with a fictional character's symbol, and the character is a gun-toting vigilante whose whole MO is taking the law into his own hands and dispatching criminals with brutal lethality, I can recognize how that's problematic moreso than say like Superman, whose reputation is supposed to be not killing people.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

I have no interest in a new Punisher series unless it's actually going to be Punisher and they have actual villains. Stop having him retire at the beginning as well. What they did with Jigsaw in Season 2 was god awful.

Yeah, weirdly enough they really restrained Frank...like the whole point is that he's wish fulfillment against the bottom of the barrel awful people out there.

They had to add some drama to humanize him, but it kind of needed to still walk that fine line between he's a serial killer but does it to bad people.

Some of the creative choices were definitely weird but it was an ok series.

I honestly think the only way Marvel takes back the skulls is by viciously going after people who sell it without a license, and just have Frank kill a ton of cops who use it, make it controversial so the point spreads like wildfire on the Web that the Punisher and everything he stands for is anti cop.

 

[BoredGuy]

If only it was ingrained into police in this country that they "Protect and Serve" not "Kill Bad Guys" then it wouldn't be an issue
None of them, even ex-military, should ever support a vigilante taking the law into his own hands

Sad state of affairs

 

[Kev4000]

If only it was ingrained into police in this country that they "Protect and Serve" not "Kill Bad Guys" then it wouldn't be an issue
None of them, even ex-military, should ever support a vigilante taking the law into his own hands

Sad state of affairs

But the law is rigged if Kingpin aka Donald Trump can very easy avoid or bend the law at his will.

 

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[NewYorkSpider]

It can't be 5 years unless I'm missing something? The 3rd season ended in 2017 or 2018, this would put this then in 2022-2023.

Unless the first few episodes take place during the blip or right after the Battle Of Earth and we get a time jump? Or Bethel was just misinformed?

 

[blueharvest]

 

[LoganPool]

It can't be 5 years unless I'm missing something? The 3rd season ended in 2017 or 2018, this would put this then in 2022-2023.

Unless the first few episodes take place during the blip or right after the Battle Of Earth and we get a time jump? Or Bethel was just misinformed?

Or another Spiderman: Homecoming mistake.

 

[BoredGuy]

I doubt they'll state a date

Bethel was probably just told "Yeah its been years since the events of season 3 took place, we're not picking up right after" and assumed "real time" rather than "MCU adjusted 5-year jump blip time"

 

[Breogan]

I really hope like Netflix S1-S3, you can watch this stand-alone without having to know or reference anything from the Cinematic U.
I kinda don't want to hear anything about the snappyverse, multimaniana, temporal-blips, or infinite-void-spaghetti-variants, in this series.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

I doubt they'll state a date

Bethel was probably just told "Yeah its been years since the events of season 3 took place, we're not picking up right after" and assumed "real time" rather than "MCU adjusted 5-year jump blip time"

It could be just that simple. Poindexter might have blipped and the actor doesn't know the significance of that statement to the MCU.

 

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[Pennywise]