Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2: Fusion (360, PS3, Wii, DS)

[Manic]

I think one of the biggest roster injustices to MUA was the omission of Scarlet Witch. How do you transition from an X-Men game to a game also featuring Avengers, and leave out the Scarlet Witch?

 

[Havok83]

Yeah, unfortunately I think the GD's will go for the more "mainstream" canon of comicbook knowledged to draw their characters from
like if Psylocke is in, for example, do you think she'll be the psychic knife weilding ninja (Jim Lee era X-Men type) or the telekenetic/kitana-using "new" Psylocke?
It's hard to say at this point
I sure hope we see a little something from NYCC next week so we can all stop speculating so much

I can see tehm keeping Psylocke out for this reason. Back in XML2 though, they kept Rogue as a super strong bruiser although in the books, she had fire powers and flight

 

[Savage]

I think one of the biggest roster injustices to MUA was the omission of Scarlet Witch. How do you transition from an X-Men game to a game also featuring Avengers, and leave out the Scarlet Witch?

Tell me about it. Beast and Quicksilver as well. I swear, it's like these guys aren't even the fans they say they are and chose everybody based either on who had a movie or the flip of a coin. Not to mention a lot of the seemingly random conversations and characters on the same team not even recognizing each other.

I mean this is next gen. If a team has a bonus then arrange some dialogue between the characters for battle situations. I mean in Justice League Heroes you could make just about any pairing and they'd have dialogue. I'm only asking that teams and NPCs that should recognize each other do recognize each other. Black Panther talking to Storm like she was some stranger was just...weird.

 

[Manic]

Or they go to Marvel's website and see whose face pops up in their news feed first.

I'm still pissed off at them for chickening out on listing Jean Grey as Phoenix. Play XML1 again, and look at the character select screen. Everyone is in alphabetical order based on codename, except for Jean Grey who was mysteriously placed after Nightcrawler.

 

[LEGO Spidey]

Scarlet Witch and Beast would seem redundant in a game with Dr. Strange and so many other tanks already... But if the devs ever include Quicksilver, they'll have to give us Wanda as well. It wouldn't make sense any other way (XML2 already screwed that up). We need the Maximoff twins together.

 

[Savage]

Well Beast is also an acrobat so that alone would mean different gameplay from the other tanks. Beast was fun as hell in XML1.

 

[Havok83]

I'm still pissed off at them for chickening out on listing Jean Grey as Phoenix. Play XML1 again, and look at the character select screen. Everyone is in alphabetical order based on codename, except for Jean Grey who was mysteriously placed after Nightcrawler.

bc it wouldnt have made sense story wise to have her as Phoenix. The XML games had a similar background as the third X-men film in that Jean turns into Phoenix when she's crazy and cant supress that aspect of her personality. Jean was sane and in control in XML, so having her as Phoenix wouldnt have worked. When coding, they listed has Phoenix, most likley bc thats the codename she's been using in the books since the mid 90s

Well Beast is also an acrobat so that alone would mean different gameplay from the other tanks. Beast was fun as hell in XML1.

He was alright for the first few levels but then got really boring, especially since he was so much weaker than the other tanks,

 

[Manic]

bc it wouldnt have made sense story wise to have her as Phoenix. The XML games had a similar background as the third X-men film in that Jean turns into Phoenix when she's crazy and cant supress that aspect of her personality. Jean was sane and in control in XML, so having her as Phoenix wouldnt have worked. When coding, they listed has Phoenix, most likley bc thats the codename she's been using in the books since the mid 90s

It's a dumb background to give her, though. Dark Phoenix is what happens when Jean loses control. Phoenix is just a codename she uses, whether she's channeling the Phoenix Force or not.

 

[Spider-Vader]

The...the... the lack of news is making me INSANE! *Pulls hair out & then enjoys "Batman Forever"*

 

[Manic]

The...the... the lack of news is making me INSANE! *Pulls hair out & then enjoys "Batman Forever"*

 

[Havok83]

It's a dumb background to give her, though. Dark Phoenix is what happens when Jean loses control. Phoenix is just a codename she uses, whether she's channeling the Phoenix Force or not.

My guess is that they were trying to keep things as simple as possible and not confuse people about Phoenix or Dark Phoenix. They tried to mix a bit of 616 and Ultimate X-men with those games and in the Ult-verse Phoenix had a different origin as well. Hey at least in XML2 they gave her Phoenix costumes and powers

 

[Manic]

All they had to say was "My codename is Phoenix, but when I lose control, I become something called the Dark Phoenix." It's really simple.

The problem is that 3/5 people don't really know the difference, and don't really care. The average person thinks Phoenix = Evil Jean. It pissed me off with the third movie, too. The Phoenix isn't evil. Hell, it wouldn't have even turned evil in the first place if Cyclops' current girlfriend hadn't accidentally ****ed with Jean's head one time too many.

[/petty rant]

 

[Havok83]

All they had to say was "My codename is Phoenix, but when I lose control, I become something called the Dark Phoenix." It's really simple.

The problem is that 3/5 people don't really know the difference, and don't really care. The average person thinks Phoenix = Evil Jean. It pissed me off with the third movie, too. The Phoenix isn't evil. Hell, it wouldn't have even turned evil in the first place if Cyclops' current girlfriend hadn't accidentally ****ed with Jean's head one time too many.

[/petty rant]

Dont even get me started on the mess that was X-men The Last Stand. Considering Jean Grey-Summers (Phoenix) is my favorite comic character, I was beyond pissed how they royally screwd up her most defining storyline and how the image of her there is is the impression that the mainstream have of her.

 

[Manic]

I could blame a lot of people for The Last Stand, but I chiefly blame Singer for leaving the franchise, when it was pretty damn obvious the end of the second movie was setting up Phoenix to be powerful and good.

"I could stay onboard and make a good trilogy, but I'd rather leave to do a mediocre remake/sequel to the old Superman movie franchise."

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I could blame a lot of people for The Last Stand, but I chiefly blame Singer for leaving the franchise, when it was pretty damn obvious the end of the second movie was setting up Phoenix to be powerful and good.

"I could stay onboard and make a good trilogy, but I'd rather leave to do a mediocre remake/sequel to the old Superman movie franchise."

at the same time, singer wanted sigourny weaver as emma frost... (who was to be Xaviers lover) sooo it was a bad, but also good thing singer left.

Singer leaving indeed was a probelm, but it's still fox's fault, singer pissed them off and they wanted to be sure the film cameout before SR

 

[LEGO Spidey]

at the same time, singer wanted sigourny weaver as emma frost... (who was to be Xaviers lover) sooo it was a bad, but also good thing singer left.

She was Xavier's lover in the Ultimate Universe if I'm not mistaken, and it didn't detract from either character there, so who knows... At the very least, a throwaway line about it certainly wouldn't hurt considering all the other positive things Singer could have done for X3.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

She was Xavier's lover in the Ultimate Universe if I'm not mistaken, and it didn't detract from either character there, so who knows... At the very least, a throwaway line about it certainly wouldn't hurt considering all the other positive things Singer could have done for X3.

singer helped create the "Wolverine" and the "other mutant x-men guys" movies... *yawn* the 2nd was great, but lets not forget how many character singer did mess up... and adding an old emma frost just escalates that.

 

[Havok83]

singer helped create the "Wolverine" and the "other mutant x-men guys" movies... *yawn* the 2nd was great, but lets not forget how many character singer did mess up... and adding an old emma frost just escalates that.

that would have been better than the crap we ended up getting

 

[spideyboy_1111]

that would have been better than the crap we ended up getting

meh, X3 was far from crap imo.. if you want crap see spidey 3, elektra, man-thing, ghostrider, etc... X3 got alot right that singer never bothered to, but it still had alot of faults.

The Bad:
-Movie was too short and fast paced, not spread out, so everything felt cluttered
-in a rush to get the film done, the firebird effects were cut out
-little roles for good characters (Angel and Rogue)
-Absence of scott
-Rogues ending
-Juggernaut
-and characters in name only (pylocke)

The Good:
-The movie should have been longer, but upon first viewing it was a good adrenaline build up for the final battle
-The X-men finally started acting like a team and singers formula of "someone vs wolverine" was finally ended
-Beast
-Famke's acting
-Moira
-iceman icing up and starting to be a bit of a ladies man
-multiple man
-mystique
-Storm flying
-Kitty Pryde

The easily fixed (in possible future films):
-The cure obviously doesn't last, magneto, mystique, and rogue get there powers back
-Mystique goes solo and thus becoming the villainess we all love
-rogues power kicks back on when shes close to someone, absorbing there abilities and comatose-ing the character, ms marvel?
-cyclops didn't die, and was just transported else where, or put in the "cocoon" jean was in.
-Xavier returns in the comotose body, but makes everyone see him as his old body

*yawn* easy ass fixes.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I watched X-3 the other night. It definitely doesn't deserve all the stick it gets. Sure, it's not brilliant but it is a thoroughly entertaining comic book movie. I think the hate it gets is just from fans who are unhappy with the treatment of their favourite characters.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Yea I watched X-3 the other night. It definitely doesn't deserve all the stick it gets. Sure, it's not brilliant but it is a thoroughly entertaining comic book movie. I think the hate it gets is just from fans who are unhappy with the treatment of their favourite characters.

exactly. It honestly in some ways felt more like i was watching an X-men cartoon or reading a comic then the previous films... the comics and cartoons are filled with cameos and such, i just think people wanted something more epic.. after all it was dark phoenix

 

[Havok83]

meh, X3 was far from crap imo.. if you want crap see spidey 3, elektra, man-thing, ghostrider, etc... X3 got alot right that singer never bothered to, but it still had alot of faults.

I didnt say it was the worst comic book movie ever. It was just the worst of what was an amazing series of films.

-The X-men finally started acting like a team and singers formula of "someone vs wolverine" was finally ended

except the team sucked. Seriously, Storm, Wolverine, Beast and a bunch of kids? That seemed so pathetic taking on Magneto, Phoenix and the rest of his Brotherhood.

-Beast
-Famke's acting
-iceman icing up and starting to be a bit of a ladies man

I'll give you these. For me, Famke as Jean was really the main reason to watch it even if they did screw up her character

The easily fixed (in possible future films):

Get a new director bc Ratner was a hack as far as X3 was concerned

Yea I watched X-3 the other night. It definitely doesn't deserve all the stick it gets. Sure, it's not brilliant but it is a thoroughly entertaining comic book movie. I think the hate it gets is just from fans who are unhappy with the treatment of their favourite characters.

Yep that cpould be it. Ive been a major X-fan for years and I was pleasently surprised with how X-men 1 managed to successfully translate my franchise onto the big screen. X-men 2 expanded on that in every way and was the series at its peak. X-men 3 had so much build up going in and they truly dropped the ball with it. The biggest offense was cramming the Cure storyline into a film with the Dark Phoenix Saga. Little to no characterization, numerous characters were mishandled, the storylines suffered and came across udnerdeveloped, etc.. X3 was a series of action sequences. While they looked amazing, overall didnt have the substance that the other films brought to the table. X2 had tons of action sequences but it also had an amazing and developed story to go along with it

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Get a new director bc Ratner was a hack as far as X3 was concerned

i agree as well, but i don't want singer back either... he wouldn't let them be mutants... hell if you have powers, use them. they were pretty scarce and anytime someone used one, he made sure it was in focus.. and that got a bit annoying, everytime a power is used it doesn't have to be the only thing going on.

 

[Manic]

X-Men 3 wasn't crap, but it wasn't good. Its rushed and cluttered story (who thought it'd be a good idea to cram the Dark Phoenix Saga and Gifted into a single movie?) was counterbalanced only by its good action scenes.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought X-Men 3 was pretty crappy, myself. But I've only watched it the one time, so maybe a second viewing might change my mind.