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MARVEL WHAT-IF: REIMAGINING SEQUELS & FILMS THAT NEVER WERE

Discussion in 'Marvel Films' started by BobJM, Nov 17, 2020.

  1. BobJM Uncle Charlie

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    I recently started a thread in the DC Comics Films boards: DC ELSEWORLDS: Reimagining Keaton Sequels & DC Films that Never Were
    The conceit here is the same;

    Over the years, there have been a number of films, real or rumored, that Marvel never acted on. Pitches of films that never were. I thought it'd be fun here to share your favorite, and hear SHH posters' thoughts on what they would have liked to see / how they would have shaped the franchises of yesteryear with the benefit of hindsight.

    What would a Singer X-Men 3 have looked like, or Raimi's Spider-Man 4? Sequels to Tim Story's Fantastic Four films, or a follow-up to Daredevil and/or Elektra.

    And what about the non-sequels--just the scrapped story pitches that never were. Gambit. Kitty Pryde. Multiple Man. Beast. X-Men Origins: Magneto. Matthew Vaugn's First Class trilogy. John Cameron's Spider-Man from the 90s. Maybe Leonadro DiCaprio would have played Peter instead of Tobey Maguire--or maybe Michael Jackson was able to convince Stan Lee to get involved.

    And there's so many more! Joss Whedon's X-Men pitch. Joe Carnahan's gritty Daredevil.

    This is simply a creative & fun thread--add your casting choices or story pitches, your fan art, edits, or your wishlists!
     
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    To get things started;

    X4: CIVIL WAR
    directed by Paul Greengrass
    produced by Matthew Vaughn
    written by Zack Stentz & Ashley Edward Miller

    (“X-Men” and “Fantastic 4” collide to create X4 logo art)

    May 2012

    production / background

    In light of the genre-defining The Dark Knight, Fox begins to piece together it’s own gritty, real-word CBM epic for a 2012 release using Mark Millar’s recent Civil War comics event. Paul Greengrass (Bourne Supremacy and Bourne Ultimatum) signs on director with writing duo Zack Stentz & Ashley Edward Miller drafting the script. Matthew Vaughn, currently directing the prequel X-Men: First Class, is set to executive produce.

    Fox Studios higher-ups decide that the X-Men cast is still viable, but the Fantastic Four and Daredevil are in need of recast (internet rumors persist that Affleck turned down the option to return in favor of directing/starring in Argo). Fox sees this film as not only a mega-crossover for its Marvel characters, but also as a launchpad (or relaunch, as it were) for new FF and DD films.

    synopsis

    The X-Men fight for peace and equality between normal humans and mutants in a world where anti-mutant bigotry is fierce and widespread.

    The Fantastic Four, a family forever bonded & transformed by cosmic rays, traverse the new frontiers of scientific exploration.

    In a clash against the villainous Mole Man, the Fantastic Four’s Human Torch causes collateral damage, sparking a national debate and the government’s passing of the Superhuman Registration Act. The new legislation draws out the X-Men in fear of what this will mean for mutants, young men and women born with extraordinary abilities. As the debate escalates into an all-out feud, alliances are forged and lines are drawn in the sand—pitting family against family and friend against friend.

    And with Daredevil, the costumed vigilante without fear, and Deadpool, beloved ‘merc with a mouth’ from the Marvel comic books, both entering the battle with their own agendas, the world will forever be changed by this superhuman civil war.

    starring

    teams

    pro-registration
    Mr. Fantastic (with The Thing, initially, until he breaks from his friend and helps the other side)
    Beast (who, like Natasha in the MCU’s Civil War, thinks it’s better to have one hand on the wheel than none at all—“staying together is more important than how we stay together”)
    Deadpool (hired by Director Hodge as part of US/Canadian joint operation, Weapon X)

    anti-registration
    The X-Men (sans Beast)
    Human Torch & Invisible Woman
    Daredevil
    (initially hired by Sue to represent Johnny in court; later involved as Daredevil in the physical fight)

    True to the director’s strengths as highlighted in the Bourne films —Director Hodge is the ‘man in the monitor room,’ tracking the whole Civil War and aiming to capture/defeat the anti-registration movement. Agent Valerie Cooper is featured primarily in these 'monitor' scenes, ultimately using her role/status to help the mutants and superheroes. Dr. Moira MacTaggart is brought in as a genetic specialist in superhuman communities, especially mutants.

    John Sublime is a private businessmen/government contractor who wants to use registration/detention centers as mutant gene farms to further his own nefarious scheme to create a new species in the evolutionary chain.
    • He frames Johnny Storm using a brainwashed Nitro to cause a massive explosion in downtown NYC while the Fantastic Four battle the Mole-Man.
    • We later learn that pulling Sublime’s strings is Dr. Victor von Doom, dictator of Latveria and rival of Mr. Fantastic. Though it appears that his plans are to discredit Richards and his family, in the final moment of the film we see Dr. Doom’s true reason: the corpse of Hank McCoy (who died earlier in the course of the film) transforms into a Skrull on the morgue table.
     
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  3. Airwings Waves of air

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    Didn't Cameron try to get his Spider-Man made around the time of T2, and even earlier than that?
    Was Michael Biehn as the lead ever considered by the blockbuster director?
     
  4. BobJM Uncle Charlie

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    Maybe as the burglar? I don't see Biehn fitting as Peter Parker. He might do okay as Eddie Brock in a sequel.
     
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    I can't imagine Biehn ever being someone's idea for Spider-Man. Unless I'm mistaken he was once a popular choice for Cyclops, though.
     
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    Wasn't Biehn rumored for Electro in Cameron's movie?
     
  7. Airwings Waves of air

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    Ok. Maybe I got the things wrong about Biehn. We don't know if Cameron wanted him in another role, either.

    But didn't he try to adapt Spider-Man again in 94/95, with Edward Furlong?
    Wasn't DiCaprio first mentioned later on, around 97/98 (after Titanic) as a possible actor?
     
  8. BobJM Uncle Charlie

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    Not sure I agree with all the casting, but I like the Leo pick and art here:

    [​IMG]
     
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    SPIDERMAN THE MOTION PICTURE (1985)
    Director : John Hughes

    Spiderman/ Peter Parker : Michael J Fox (Family Ties, Teen wolf, Back to the Future)
    Doctor Octopus/ Dr Otto Octavius : Chaim Topol ( Fiddler on the Roof, For Your Eyes Only)
    Norman Osborn : Martin Cove ( The Karate Kid)
    Harry Osborn : Judd Nelson( The Breakfast Club, St Elmos Fire)
    Gwen Stacy : Rebecca De Mornay ( Risky Business)
    Mary Jane Watson: Kerri Green (Goonies)
    Captain Stacy : Roy Scheider (Jaws)
    Uncle Ben : Hoyt Axton (Gremlins)
    Aunt May : Katherine Helmond ( Who's The Boss)
    J Johan Jameson : R. Lee Ermey (Full Metal Jacket)
    Robbie Robertson : Bernie Casey (Revenge of the Nerds)
     
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    X-MEN
    directed by Kathryn Bigelow
    story by Chris Claremont & Jim Lee
    written by Andrew Kevin Walker

    The Ten Best Unproduced Comic Book Movie Scripts #5: Andrew Kevin Walker's 'X-Men' - Geeks of Doom

    Summer 1996

    SCOTT SUMMERS / CYCLOPS: Matt Damon
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    LOGAN / WOLVERINE: Mark Wahlberg
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    DR. JEAN GREY: Gwyneth Paltrow
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    DR. HANK McCOY / BEAST: Kelsey Grammer
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    BOBBY DRAKE / ICEMAN: Joseph Gordon-Levitt
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    JUBILEE: Unknown actress, early teens

    PROF. CHARLES XAVIER: Patrick Stewart
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    MAGNETO: Anthony Hopkins
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    SPIDERMAN PART TWO : THE REVENGE OF THE SINISTER SIX (1986)

    Director : James Cameron

    Spiderman/ Peter Parker : Michael J Fox (Family Ties, Teen wolf, Back to the Future)
    Doctor Octopus/ Dr Otto Octavius : Chaim Topol ( Fiddler on the Roof, For Your Eyes Only)
    Vulture : Ben Kingsley (Ghandi)
    Sandman : Hans Dolph Lundgren (Rocky 4)
    Electro : Michael Biehn ( Terminator, The Abyss)
    Mysterio : Lance Henriksen (Terminator)
    Norman Osborn : Martin Cove ( The Karate Kid)
    Harry Osborn : Judd Nelson( The Breakfast Club, St Elmos Fire)
    Gwen Stacy : Rebecca De Mornay ( Risky Business)
    Mary Jane Watson: Kerri Green (Goonies)
    Aunt May : Katherine Helmond ( Who's The Boss)
    J Johan Jameson : R. Lee Ermey (Full Metal Jacket)
    Robbie Robertson : Bernie Casey (Revenge of the Nerds)
     
  12. Airwings Waves of air

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    It's awesome!!!

    Impressive cast list has Kevin Spacey (likely Green Goblin), Bill Paxton (unknown character), Michael Douglas (J. Jonah Jameson) and Katherine Hepburn (Aunt May).

    Paxton as Dr Connors maybe?
     
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    Quentin Tarantino's HEROES FOR HIRE (1994)

    Laurence Fishburne - Luke Cage
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    Tim Roth - Iron Fist
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    N'Bushe Wright - Misty Knight
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    Ming-Na Wen - Colleen Wing
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    Eric Stoltz - Matt Murdoch
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    Michael Madsen - Frank Castle
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    Dan Hedaya - Hammerhead
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    James Remar - Jigsaw
    [​IMG]

    and Sam Jackson as Cottonmouth
    [​IMG]
     
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    This is also fun :up::up:
     
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    SPIDER-MAN: THE MOVIE
    directed by James Cameron
    Summer 1995

    Peter Parker / Spider-Man: Leonardo DiCaprio
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    Mary Jane Watson: Milla Jovovich
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    VILLAINS
    Dr. Otto Octavius:
    Arnold Schwarzenegger
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    Flint Marko / Sandman: Peter Greene
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    The Burglar: Michael Biehn
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    SUPPORTING
    May Parker:
    Joan Plowright
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    Ben Parker:
    James Garner
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    Norman Osborn: Jonathan Hyde
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    Harry Osborn: Neil Patrick Harris
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    DAILY BUGLE
    J. Jonah Jameson: R. Lee Ermey
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    Robbie Robertson: Joe Morton
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    Eddie Brock: Mark Wahlberg
    [​IMG]
     
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    Gotta get Lance Henriksen and Bill Paxton in there. I'd go Henriksen as Norman Osborn and Bill Paxton as... I'll get back to you!
     
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    THE AVENGERS: EARTH’S MIGHTIEST HEROES
    directed by Roland Emmerich

    Summer 1998

    Tony Stark / Iron Man: Tom Cruise
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    Steve Rogers / Captain America: Brad Pitt
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    Thor: Brendan Fraser
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    Dr. Hank Pym / Ant-Man: David Duchovny
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    Janet van Dyne / Wasp: Tea Leoni
    [​IMG]

    Dr. Bruce Banner: Matthew Broderick
    Hulk: CGI (voice by Lou Ferrigno)
    [​IMG]


    Loki: Jim Carrey
    [​IMG]
     
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  18. Airwings Waves of air

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    I'm stunned by your cast. It's freaking awesome!!! Almost every one of them make much sense for the characters
    (but you should have had Johnny Depp somewhere there too :cwink:)

    Pitt as Cap is sooo right. With today's eyes, that is. Back in the 90s, he might have been considered too edgy for the straight Steve.

    Did you manage to come up with the cast right away?
     
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    Pitt as Cap falls into the boring, leading men roles he always struggled with. I'd much rather have him as Thor, where he looks the part and can be funny.
     
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    He could bring shades to Cap though. Maybe not in the first Avengers outing (like Evans w/ Whedon), but Pitt would get there; certainly a good enough actor.

    My ‘98 Black Widow is currently Uma Thurman—maybe Goldeneye’s Izabella Scorupco??—but not settled on Fury yet.
     
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    SPIDERMAN 3 THE NIGHT GWEN STACY DIED (1987)

    Director: John Hughes

    Spiderman/ Peter Parker : Michael J Fox (Family Ties, Teen wolf, Back to the Future)
    Green Goblin/Norman Osborn : Martin Cove ( The Karate Kid)
    Harry Osborn : Judd Nelson( The Breakfast Club, St Elmos Fire)
    Gwen Stacy : Rebecca De Mornay ( Risky Business)
    Mary Jane Watson: Kerri Green (Goonies)
    Aunt May : Katherine Helmond ( Who's The Boss)
    J Johan Jameson : R. Lee Ermey (Full Metal Jacket)
    Robbie Robertson : Bernie Casey (Revenge of the Nerds)
     
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    I was going to have Uma as Black Widow and Harvey Keitel as Fury for my Tarantino cast, but I forgot lol.

    but Kurt Russell is 90s Nick Fury 100%.
     
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    I was between Russell or Bruce Willis for Fury
     
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    Depp is Strange in the sequels, obviously:
    [​IMG]
     
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    I applaud you for that :)
     

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