Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back

[Weadazoid]

obviously right now dc has an edge because marvel has released 80% of their hero movies while dc has relesed none.

heres why dc has an advantage RIGHT NOW-

while marvel seems to be simultaneously releasing smaller comic book heros, while having one huge franchise in spiderman, dc is set two have two huge franchies-batman and superman-going at the same time. plus, wonder woman and the flash are in the works, adding to their smaller films. marvel tried to have two in hulk as the second, but they failed. Batman looks to be huge and superman is a gaurenteed mega hit. Marvel has another xmen/average sized franchise going with the fantastic four, and if marvel ****s that up too, their in serious trouble, as dunst is gone after spidey 3, not to mention two new hers in batman and superman, may over take him as the raining cinema comic book champion.

But honestly, who cares? For nearly twenty years 1978-1997 dc OWNED anything that tried to cross its path movies wise. with two franchiens and adjusted inflation, the eight movies they had woulda made them over 3.5 billion. so now 2000-2004 marvel wins win. they put out about 8 movies and total about 2 billion, 1.5. of it coming from two movies alone. ok. dc has a much better history MONEY WISE and they look taking the lead quality wise(lets face it-fox rushed fantastic four, cast and shot august and released 11 months later, ditto x3) because batman begins had been filming for four months before fantastic fours roles were even cast. same for superman and x3. dc is now putting a lot more time into their films, something they didnt used to do, and marvel did. now theyve switched. and as th past has shown, the franchise that puts time into their films like dc did with superman, superman 2, batman, and marvel did with xmen, x2, and spiderman, you get the most money. and dc is putting the most time in right now. Batman Begins should make them atleats even, as it looks like it could be three huge things (a. best comic book movie b)a classic c) a huge mega hit). i think theyll get even no matter how good or how well the fantasic does, just because batman is much more important.

SO X Men is just an average sized franchise? Considering x2 made quite a bit more then the origional I don't think you can call it of average size, X Men is set to realy break out with X3 and the way I see it the numbers will only continue to climb. Considering X2 broke the 200 Million mark on state side box office, i don't think it can be considered of only average size.

FF looks great from the show west trailer I am now realy realy into the idea of seeing this movie, I still have a wait and see attitude with batman, and while I will see it, I am not sure how critics and the general movie going audience will react. There are going to be instant comparison to Burtons films, and realy it is how the audience racts, after all Batman Forever got realy strong reviews, saying Shumaker exposed more of Batmans roots more so then Burton did in two films, and while opeing day numbers were huge they quickly dwindles cause fans and movie goers just did not see it that way.

BB needs to hit people hard wih the final trailer, and in all honesty from what I have sen so far FF has out paced them with the finalized trailer.

Superman could be great, then again they will see competion from X3, and I just don't know if Superman can be all that interesting in a returning role with no supevillain to fight Superman.

On one hand you are going to have x3 with a returning Magneto and god knows what else (sentinals, Dark Phoenix) as protagonist, and on the other hadn an all powerful superhero in Superman faceing the very smart, and politlcly powerful Lex Luthor. What kind of flashy eye candy is Lex going to provide?

 

[CConn]

I certainly would

But we're not exactly members of the general public, are we?

It all comes down to the marketing.

Marketing, quality, and popularity of the characters are all factors...

But if they're of the same quality, I'm quite sure most people would choose Aquaman over Thor, simply because of the familiarity of the character through the TV series, etc.

 

[brainchild81]

obviously right now dc has an edge because marvel has released 80% of their hero movies while dc has relesed none.

I'm not sure that this "80%" is true and even if true that's not necessarily an advantage. Time will tell. What if the majority of these DC movies aren't much better than Catwoman?

heres why dc has an advantage RIGHT NOW-

while marvel seems to be simultaneously releasing smaller comic book heros, while having one huge franchise in spiderman, dc is set two have two huge franchies-batman and superman-going at the same time. plus, wonder woman and the flash are in the works, adding to their smaller films. marvel tried to have two in hulk as the second, but they failed. Batman looks to be huge and superman is a gaurenteed mega hit.

1st, X-Men is pretty huge. 2nd, Everybody has a right to opinion but sometimes when you state one like it's a fact you look very stupid. No movie is guaranteed mega hit, especially not Superman. Wait until it comes out. If Supes makes X-Men $$ I'll be surprised. Could be a hit, could be a flop. I don't think it'll be a mega hit, but I'm not gonna put my guarantee on that though. Batman seems to have a much better chance. I'd be really surprised if any of these break any records.

 

[CConn]

I'm not sure that this "80%" is true and even if true that's not necessarily an advantage. Time will tell. What if the majority of these DC movies aren't much better than Catwoman?

True...but what if all the Marvel movies are as bad as Elektra?

1st, X-Men is pretty huge. 2nd, Everybody has a right to opinion but sometimes when you state one like it's a fact you look very stupid. No movie is guaranteed mega hit, especially not Superman. Wait until it comes out. If Supes makes X-Men $$ I'll be surprised. Could be a hit, could be a flop. I don't think it'll be a mega hit, but I'm not gonna put my guarantee on that though. Batman seems to have a much better chance. I'd be really surprised if any of these break any records.

Seriously, man...you are so damn wrong about Superman. That movie will have to be pretty damn bad not to make at least 250 million.

 

[Weadazoid]

catwoman and Elctra were equaly awful

 

[brainchild81]

True...but what if all the Marvel movies are as bad as Elektra?

Unlikely, almost impossible.

Seriously, man...you are so damn wrong about Superman. That movie will have to be pretty damn bad not to make at least 250 million.

Seriously, man...you think I am so damn wrong about Superman. We'll see who's right in about 1 year, 93 days, and 5 hours.

 

[CConn]

Unlikely, almost impossible.

How is it that it's possible for DC's movies to be as bad as CINO, but impossible for Marvel's to be as bad as Elektra?

Seriously, man...you think I am so damn wrong about Superman. We'll see who's right in about 1 year, 93 days, and 5 hours.

I don't think, I know.

 

[brainchild81]

How is it that it's possible for DC's movies to be as bad as CINO, but impossible for Marvel's to be as bad as Elektra?

I did say almost impossible didn't I?

 

[CConn]

I did say almost impossible didn't I?

So there's just as much chance all the DC movies will be bad as there is all the Marvel movies will be bad?

 

[brainchild81]

Technically yes. What was the last good DC movie in your opinion?

 

[CConn]

Technically yes. What was the last good DC movie in your opinion?

Batman Returns was the last great DC moive...

 

[brainchild81]

I said "good"

 

[CConn]

Still; BR.

 

[HighVoltage]

Batman Returns was the last great DC moive...

It´s good to see this;

Because Constantine Movie Is Not a Dc Movie.

And Hellblazer Adaptation(a.k.a Constantine)is a Bad Movie.

 

[CConn]

It´s good to see this;

Because Constantine Movie Is Not a Dc Movie.

And Hellblazer Adaptation(a.k.a Constantine)is a Bad Movie.

Tell me, do you have the ability to speak english?

 

[brainchild81]

Still; BR.

OK. Now given the films DC & Marvel have made since then would you say the odds are more w/DC making more Catwoman style-crap or Marvel making more Elektra-stlye crap?

 

[CConn]

OK. Now given the films DC & Marvel have made since then would you say the odds are more w/DC making more Catwoman style-crap or Marvel making more Elektra-stlye crap?

Well, see the thing is, DC's made Batman 4 and Superman 4 and Marvel's yet to make any "4" movies, you have to eliminate them from the equation.

So, lets break it down...

Great comic book movies (in order of release):
Superman: The Movie - DC
Superman 2 - DC
Batman - DC
Batman Returns - DC
Blade - Marvel
X-Men - Marvel
X2 - Marvel
Spider-Man - Marvel
Spider-Man 2 - Marvel

Good/average comic book movies:
Batman Forever - DC
Blade 2 - Marvel
Hulk - Marvel
Daredevil - Marvel
The Punisher - Marvel
Constantine - DC

Bad/horrible comic book movies:
Superman III - DC
Catwoman - DC
Blade: Trinity - Marvel
Elektra - Marvel

So, that adds up to...
4 (50%) Great for DC - 5 (45%) Great for Marvel
2 (25%) Average for DC - 4 (36%) Average for Marvel
2 (25%) Bad for DC - 2 (19%) Bad for Marvel

So that means, DC has a slightly higher chance of being both horrible or great, and Marvel has a better chance of being average.

 

[brainchild81]

Batman & Robin and Steel were'nt horrible to you?

 

[CConn]

Batman & Robin and Steel were'nt horrible to you?

Please read my whole post before you comment, I already said, for B&R:

Well, see the thing is, DC's made Batman 4 and Superman 4 and Marvel's yet to make any "4" movies, you have to eliminate them from the equation.

As for Steel, I forgot that was a DC property, so, adding that in, yes, DC does have a higher chance of making a bad movie, but it has a near equal chance of making a great one.

 

[brainchild81]

Please read my whole post before you comment, I already said, for B&R:

You didn't call it B&R. I don't usually hear people call it Batman 4. Simple misunderstanding

As for Steel, I forgot that was a DC property, so, adding that in, yes, DC does have a higher chance of making a bad movie, but it has a near equal chance of making a great one.

Agreed

 

[CConn]

You didn't call it B&R. I don't usually hear people call it Batman 4. Simple misunderstanding

Ah, alright. Sorry about that.

 

[brainchild81]

Let's agree to make sure we don't get banned. @least until after Superman comes out.

 

[CConn]

Heh...I won't if you won't.

 

[Excel]

people can argue as much as they want but the bottom line this: dcs BATMAN 05/SUPERMAN 06 1-2 punch beats the hell outta fantastic four 05/x3 06, or any marvel plan for that matter.

 

[brainchild81]

Sounds like fanboy talk to me. Be smart. Wait and see.