Discussion in 'The Batman' started by Thread Manager, Mar 13, 2018.
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Reeves' is basically my sole interest in another Batman film. Reeves' is a talented filmmaker so I'd be interested in seeing his take, but we already have the classic cbm trilogy starring the character, so more films with Bats isn't necessary.
I have absolutely no faith in DC/WB to make the correct decisions on their own. Frankly, they're lucky to have someone as gifted as Reeves interested in playing ball with them after the mess they've made of their comic book universe and with their track record. If Reeves goes, I find it very unlikely that they'd find another director with similar abilities that'd be willing to take the reins. There's not many names I can think of that have both the vision and prior experience with blockbusters that Reeves has. And the ones I can think of are either already working on a comparable franchise or would never touch/be asked to work on a Batman film.
The Nolan trilogy, to me is not 'a classic' comic book movie trilogy. It's was too grounded and it didn't feel like the Batman from the comics. Snyders Batman atleast did that better, I'm hoping for a better middle ground. Just imagine a TDKT storytelling (without the plotholes..) with a comic faitfully suit and a classic portrayal of all the characters (Bane, Ra's hell even Bats..)
Bane's backstory in the comics is easily one of the better and tragic backstories of any modern age villain. Nolan didn't need to change it like he did. Bane could have been the sole villain of Rises.
So basically, they need to copy Batman Arkham City in terms of that midpoint.
I ain't even saying that like it would be a bad thing, that'd be kick ass.
Campea puts out a small update on Reeves/Batman:
- echoes most of Robles' tidbits last week on Reeves
- Reeves was supposed to hand something in last October, and up to today still hasn't
- the holdup is causing bat-related projects to stall (Batgirl, Flashpoint, Nightwing, SS2, etc.)
- WB are still eager to wait on Reeves to put everything together
Campea speculates Reeves' task has grown since the failure of JL, and if WB are waiting this long, it may be because they're restructuring everything around this Batman. So nothing tangentially related moves forward without Reeves setting the pace.
When he says Reeves was supposed to turn something in by October, I assume he means an outline. Because WB can **** right off if they expected Reeves to turn in a completed script just three months after finishing another major film.
To be honest, this is getting a little frustrating. I just wish we had some concrete news.
Hey, it only took David Ayer 6 weeks.
Had a chance to actually watch Campea's video.
He states that Reeves was supposed to submit a treatment in October, and then goes on to say that a treatment still hasn't been submitted.
I have to question that, for a number of reasons.
First, Reeves flat-out said in a podcast back in January that the story has been worked out and that he was in the process of outlining. He mentioned having Skype meetings with Mark Bomback about it. You can literally find the audio of these remarks. Would a story outline not constitute a "treatment?" If he's going to nonchalantly throw this piece of information out in a podcast interview, it stands to reason that he's already given a treatment to WB. So unless the guy outright lied, a treatment was turned in no later than January.
Secondly, Reeves recently responded to a fan tweet not too long ago where he confirmed that he was in the process of writing The Batman.
Taking all of that into account, I have a very hard time believing that he hasn't submitted anything to WB yet.
In Reeves we trust
Outlines come before treatments, consisting only of a few pages (if that). Treatments are like baby drafts. It fleshes out the content of the outlines, but is nowhere near an actual screenplay. In terms of size, treatments are like a tenth of the final drafts.
If January is only where outlines have started, then Campea's timeline makes sense.
Even if had something prepared and almost finished, doesn't mean he necessarily handed it over to them either. I imagine he's buying more time as he wants the first impression to be truly impactful.
Thanks for the clarification, Jekecy.
Sounds like he might have handed over an outline in Jan, and is in the process of writing a treatment right now then?
What's his work pace like for the Apes movies? Would it be reasonable to expect a final screenplay ready by this time next year?
Just listened to it, so the only 2 things he was told
1) Reeves was suppose to handover something last Oct, hasn't done it yet.
2) that's causing a bit of a traffic jam for other projects that's causing (temporary or not) departure of other director/directors (McKay, obviously)
He speculates that WB is now giving their directors time to work out their issues, and they might reboot DCEU as Reeves is the one setting the tone, therefore taking more time.
IMO it's more likely WB is using Reeves' Batman as the template for Nightwing, Batgirl, ?Titans, and let SS3+spin offs i.e. Harley Quinn to merge with it in the future.
The fact WB has signed the Flash directors, who are getting good results with Game Night, and already has possible filming dates, locations and BTS personnel getting ready means Flash is highly likely going to be a solo movie and not a Flashpoint movie involving Reeves' Batman.
So in a sense we are getting a Batman Universe soft reboot.
While Aquaman, Shazam, WW, Superman (and Flash) are not related to BCU, therefore they can continue working away with them, and hopefully, directors from now on will be given the same freedom as Jenkins, Wan and Reeves.
I personally don't even care if this movie comes out it 2022 or 2023.
Just give Reeves whatever time he needs to get it right, and give the audience a breather. Now would've been a great time to relaunch Batman if they had never jumped the gun with BvS and JL, but after JL the character has taken a hit and it feels like we're in a post-B&R situation.
Since '89, the Batman franchise has been at the forefront of the superhero genre. Breaking conventions, defying expectations of what people thought was possible with a superhero film. As a result it has quite a reputation to live up to. In 2018, because of Marvel, the genre is constantly hitting different types of milestones at a rapid pace. IMO, this film has to be something truly original and great to stand out in today's superhero climate and break ground in a way that restores the Batman franchise's legacy to what we all know it can/should be.
So yeah, no pressure or anything. I'm glad Reeves is taking his time as he tries to dig WB out of this hole they've dug themselves in once again.
HECK NO! 2023 are you serious???
I honestly have no problem with that date, so long as it ensures a quality film, but I somehow doubt the suits at WB would be okay with it.
Is what it is. We knew what was up.
Yeah, anyone familiar with his work should've always known 2020 was the earliest possible release date. He takes his time to get the script up to snuff and there's nothing wrong with that. I think the quick turnaround time is what's hurting DC the most, so this is a welcome change of pace.
Safe bet ...
In the end, that's what matters the most. And that WB give him the breathing room he needs. People will wait for something they crave, agonizing as it can be. Similar to the many folks, myself included, who hope for another Superman solo.
And pre-production is the key phase to work on perfecting a movie. Too many films recently have had problems pop in during production when not much can be done about it at that point. Hopefully this is a sign of WB finally learning some much-needed lessons.