MCU Fight: Hulk vs Vision

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MCU Fight: Hulk vs Vision

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  1. jaqua99

    jaqua99 ....I need a horse!

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    We will be doing VS. battles for the MCU every week and will be using the Winners and Losers to create an accurate power tier list created by some of it's biggest fans (you). So don't forget to VOTE and after voting for a Winner please include a comment on which power tier, both the Winner and Loser should reside within. Also, see below for more details on the characters abilities as well as for a list of available power tiers to choose from.

    Don't forget to put which Tier group you think Thor and Vision belong to in your posts. :up:


    So, without further delay here is this week's match up, battle of the greens!

    HULK Vs. VISION

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    HULK

    - Superhuman Strength: Hulk´s primary power is his immense superhuman strength. Hulk's strength increases with his anger, thus making it essentially Immeasurable. His incredible strength allows him to rip steel apart as if it were made of paper, to break vehicles with a punch, stop a speeding Humvee in its tracks by stomping it into the ground, leave a dent after punching a wall made of an extremely durable silicon-carbide Vibranium alloy, kill a massive Leviathan with a single punch, or do a powerful thunderclap to stop a military helicopter from blowing up, saving Betty and her father in the process. In combat, Hulk often uses his strength to throw heavy objects (like cars and forklift trucks, for example) or his smaller opponents in order to defeat his enemies, such as when Hulk threw a human-sized Emil Blonsky more than 40 feet away with a single kick or when he hurled Loki around repeatedly while holding him by the leg.

    - Super Leaps: Hulk's strength also extends to his legs, allowing him to leap great distances, such as when he traveled from Brazil to Guatemala in a single night, covering at least from 1500 to 1600 miles in over 7 to 10 hours, or great heights with precision, such as when reached the top of Stark Tower from ground level in a single leap, or when he caught Iron Man in mid-fall when Stark came back through the Wormhole over New York City.

    - Superhuman Durability: Hulk is able to withstand blows and attacks of considerable force; even high caliber bullets bounce off him and flames cause him little damage. His bone, skin, and muscles have an extreme density and he possesses a high degree of resistance to injury, pain, and disease. Hulk also withstood multiple energy blasts from Chitauri weaponry, extreme cold in the Arctic, great impacts from heights of several miles (though the impact knocked him unconscious, forcing him to revert back into Banner). In addition, Iron Man noted the amount of gamma radiation Banner was exposed to would have killed him if it had not given him the ability to transform into Hulk. Only beings with incredible force or extremely powerful weapons can harm him.

    - Superhuman stamina: Hulk has substantially greater endurance than a normal human, allowing him to run and fight for a long time. His enraged state, during a fight, allows him to maintain peak output for hours on end and still continue to become even stronger as his anger escalates.

    - Superhuman speed: Regardless of his size, Hulk's superhuman strength of his legs allow him to run at speeds that are far beyond the natural physical limits of a human being. He also possesses enhanced reflexes and agility proportionate to his size, but his large size can still be exploited by smaller foes to use to their advantage.

    VISION

    - Synthetic Body: Vision is a sapient construct, a perfect hybrid between organic and inorganic material. His entire body is a mix between a synthetic simulacrum of organic tissue and Vibranium, all of which are enhanced by the cosmic powers of the Mind Stone to function as a living body. His very flesh is made from Helen Cho's synthetic tissue generation technology being used to form a body, the tissue being further enhanced by Vibranium being merged with it. Originally, the body was designed to be Ultron's final form. The combination of the vibranium and the cosmic energy from the Mind Stone embedded in his forehead grants Vision a wide plethora of powers.

    -Superhuman Durability: The Vibranium composition of Vision's body allows him to withstand attacks of immense force with no visible damage to his exterior, with Hawkeye's baton breaking against him, for instance. Vision is also able to increase the durability of his physical form even further by manipulating his density and weight, to the point of a huge bus that crashed into Vision at great speed, broke apart and lost all of its forward momentum.

    - Density Manipulation: An ability attributed to the Mind Stone, Vision can increase or decrease his own density and weight at will, allowing him to increase the durability of his physical form or make himself completely weightless. Effects of this ability include the following three abilities

    Superhuman Strength: Vision can greatly increase his physical strength to immense superhuman levels by increasing his density, demonstrated by Vision effortlessly overpowering Hawkeye, taking down numerous Ultron Sentries with his bare hands, grappling with Ultron himself while the latter was in his most powerful vibranium form, sending Ultron flying with a single blow of Mjølnir, and even making the gigantic Ant-Man stumble with a mighty blow. Given his vibranium-enriched flesh, even when his density manipulating abilities aren't in use, Vision's basic physical strength is still also considerably high.

    - Intangibility: Vision's control over his density, weight and mass give him the ability to phase through solid objects. As he does so, an aura of greenish-yellow light envelopes the part of his body that is phased through matter. When phasing, Vision can increase his density to destroy the object he phases through from the inside. With this ability, Vision can walk through walls, fly right through the gigantic Ant-Man, rip apart numerous Ultron Sentries, and even phase his fingers through Ultron's vibranium outer shell.

    - Flight: Vision can minimize his density to its lowest point in order to hover above the ground, granting him the power of flight. He can control his own motion-based force to move through the air at great speeds and instantly stop moving while in the air by completely, freezing his motion.

    -Energy Blasts: Vision is capable of drawing raw power from the Mind Stone to fire beams of intense energy from his forehead. This beam is incredibly powerful, enough to slice down an airport tower in seconds, and even damage Ultron's most powerful Vibranium-coated body.

    *****Below is the list of power tiers to choose from. Please select a power tier for each character doing battle (the characters below in Red are not in any particular order). Be aware both characters can share the same power tier*****

    The character's current statuses below are as follows

    BLUE CHARACTERS = OFFICIAL FINAL PLACEMENT FOR CHARACTERS
    GREEN CHARACTERS = OFFICIAL TRANSITIONAL PLACMENT FOR CHARACTERS FIGHTING UP THE TIER LIST
    ORANGE CHARACTERS = OFFICIAL TRANSITIONAL PLACMENT FOR CHARACTERS FIGHTING DOWN THE TIER LIST
    RED CHARACTERS = UNOFFICIAL SPECULATIVE PLACEMENT FOR CHARACTERS

    *****NOTE: Characters that are OFFICIAL will always be Placed above characters that are UNOFFICIAL.*****


    Cosmic Tier (cosmic/interdimension level power/presence on a planetary scale, at the minimum)

    Dormammu

    Eson The Searcher with Infinity Stone

    Surtur Prime

    Ego The Living Planet

    Odin

    Doctor Strange (w/ time gem)


    Transcendent Tier (City to planetary level power & Cosmic/interdimensional level influence on a local scale)]

    Hela

    Ronan with the Power Stone

    Kurse

    Fenris

    Ultron Prime (Vibranium)

    Thanos


    Powerhouse Tier (Beyond top tier, power/interdimensional power on a block to city Level)

    Thor

    Ghost Rider

    Hulkbuster Ironman

    Abomination

    Pre-Eternal Flame Surtur

    Doctor Strange

    Malekith (W/ reality gem)

    Ancient One

    The Destroyer Armor

    Giant Man

    Kaecilius


    Top Tier (Street to block level)

    Aldrich Killian

    Valkyrie

    Drax the Destroyer

    Ronan

    Loki

    Iron Monger

    Scarlet Witch

    Whiplash

    War Machine

    Quake

    Malekith

    Heimdall

    Sif

    Hogun

    Fandral

    Volstagg

    Korath The Pursuer

    Groot

    Killgrave

    Yondu

    Lash

    Hive

    Frigga

    Pepper Potts with Extremis

    Mantis

    Skurge

    Korg

    Baron Mordo

    Master Wong


    Superhuman Tier (Street Level)
    Black Panther

    Captain America

    Gamora

    Spiderman

    Winter Soldier

    Vulture

    Red Skull

    Crossbones

    Falcon

    Quicksilver

    Starlord

    Iron Fist

    Luke Cage

    Jessica Jones

    Eric Savin (Extremis Soldier)

    Ellen Brandt (Extremis Soldier)

    Emil Blonsky (Super Soldier)

    Madame Gao

    Mr. Hyde

    Slingshot

    Aida

    Raina

    Deathlok

    The Patriot

    Carl Creed the Absorbing Man

    Lorelei

    Nebula

    Miek

    Ant Man

    Yellow Jacket


    Street Tier (non super human, agent level)

    Daredevil

    Black Widow

    Rocket Racoon

    Hawkeye

    Elektra

    Punisher

    Coleen Wing

    Batroc the Leaper

    Shocker

    Kingpin

    Nobu

    Diamondback

    Bakuto

    Peggy Carter

    Sharon Carter Agent 13

    Dum Dum Dugan

    Mocking Bird

    Maria Hill

    Misty Knight

    The Punisher

    Nick Fury

    Phil Coulson

    Zemo
    *****As I mentioned earlier, as fights occur an official tier list will be created and updated by me and that can be viewed here.*****

    http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=535009

    So enjoy and we are looking forward to the results. Spread the word.
     
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  2. AVEITWITHJAMON

    AVEITWITHJAMON Cloud kicks ass

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    Oooooohhhhhhhhh another really tough one, will have to think about this, but currently leaning towards Hulk.
     
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  3. Spider-Fan

    Spider-Fan SHHFFL 2014 Champion

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    I still think Vision trumps Thor, but Thor essentially was shown to trump Hulk. So by virtue, I vote Vision.
     
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  4. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    Vision and the choice was easy

    Hulk literally doesn't have an answer for him going intangible, not to mention Vision can fly and has a long range attack.
     
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  6. jaqua99

    jaqua99 ....I need a horse!

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    Hulk will be tough to put down. But it will take more than strength to beat Vision. I think Vision takes it.
     
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  7. Thör-El

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    I haven't voted yet, I feel like it might be a stalemate. Hulk's far stronger but Vision's ridiculously durable and he can fly/phase to keep out of Hulk's reach. Hulk's seriously durable as well so I don't think Vision's beam will be enough to put him down from a distance.
     
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  8. Batmannerism

    Batmannerism Super-unknown

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    While Vision has intangibility and a long range attack I dont know if Vision has the durability to withstand an attack by an enraged Hulk. When Vision has used his super density he's been immobile - not sure if he could simply stand there and absorb punishment from a pissed off Hulk - who would probably try to tear him limb from limb.

    As far as Vision's "phase inside and turn solid attack" in the comics that also puts strain on him ( and has been ineffective va some super tough beings).

    Vision's infinity stone beam is powerful, but hasnt really been used against fast moving targets who are actively fighting back ( he's mostly used it against inanimate objects - even War Machine he blasted from behind.)

    While Thor defeated Hulk in Ragnarok, well probably, he never completely put him down.

    MCU Hulk is a bit nerfed compared to the comic book Hulk, but I still think he has what it takes to beat Vision.
     
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  9. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    MCU Thor is nerfed compared to comic book Thor as well.
     
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  10. Batmannerism

    Batmannerism Super-unknown

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    That's true - although Thor's powers have waxed and waned a lot over the years - I remember when he was truly immortal but had brittle bones due to Hela's curse.

    I would say that MCU Thor is less nerfed than MCU Hulk.

    Comic book Hulk has fought the strongest beings the Marvel universe has and won ( including Thor) - mostly because his strength and durability are nearly limitless.

    I feel like MCU Thor is closer to the comic version than MCU Hulk.
     
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  11. Mjölnir

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    Another very tough fight. Going to think about it for a bit but the big thing here is whether Hulk has any way to deal with the intangibility of Vision, and how much physical force Vision can take. Thor had the benefit of not just being physical force but being able to affect him with lightning, while Hulk's problem is that his power set is very limited.

    I'd disagree there, Thor is insanely powerful in the comics. Even normal, standard Thor showed his strength in the current run, where he desperately fought Gorr the Godbutcher in space and each hit was strong enough to break nearby planets in the wake of the force.

    Hulk's power goes up and down as well, just like every character as it depends so much on the writer. He even failed to beat Daredevil once, which is of course just because that's what the writer at the time wanted.
     
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  12. Spider-Fan

    Spider-Fan SHHFFL 2014 Champion

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    When was this? Are we talking Frank Miller era? Because, Daredevil was sent to the hospital by Hulk in that story and Matt was afraid to fight him.

    Vision's entire body is made of Vibranium. Much like the Thor fight, I feel you guys either forget this or undersell that.
     
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  13. Mjölnir

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    I've forgotten when that happened, but it's a story where Daredevil attacks Hulk because Hulk is making trouble in the city and it ends up with Hulk walking away from the fight. The point is really that Daredevil has no business being in a fight with Hulk to begin with, but writers can apparently get quite the freedom at times.

    In the Thor vs Vision fight it sounded like most people took Thor's energy attacks as the deciding factor. Vibranium means more for the physical attacks.
     
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  14. CoherentChaos

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    I think this is sort of a stalemate. Maybe Vision's beam is stronger than Iron Man's but Hulk has shrugged off a repulsor before and recovered fairly quickly from Thor's lightning. I also imagine that most beings would wither up in flames when so close to Prime Surtur so Hulk's got immense heat resistance for sure (and so do Tony's pants apparently).

    Hulk can't really hit Vision if he phases and even if he can hit Vision, vibranium probably has a damage threshold higher than what Hulk can really dish out.

    And speaking of damage thresholds, before anyone says Vision can just do a phase attack, look at my argument in the Thor vs Vision thread. Hulk should be generally invincible inside and out, so his overall integrity should pose difficulty for Vision. It has in the comics, which I know are distinctly separate from the movies, but I think these scans serve as precedent that a phasing type character can be resisted by an immensely durable type character.

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    (If you can't read the text, Vision is basically saying that Hulk's 'form' is too powerful to succeed in what Vision is trying to do without also hurting himself. Also Vision is finding it hard to get back out.)

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    (Here, Vision sees that the usual effect that phasing has on other beings does not apply to Hulk. And the real standout point here is that Vision himself states that neither of them can hurt each other.)

    If it works as a completely hypothetical and fictional concept and interaction of powers in one medium, who's to say it can't work in another? Like how maybe comics vibranium and MCU vibranium say "Physics? Why do I have to obey that?" for the same pseudo-scientific reasons.

    Of course though, it doesn't help that MCU Hulk hasn't exhibited stranger qualities that might excuse this (comics Hulk can see ghosts for some reason, can resist telepathy in some cases and generally has a "rage/'f*** you' force" going for him that lets him do things beyond what muscles can do ((this might explain why his pants always survive, the "rage force field" protects them too)) ) and MCU Vision hardly has feats given his pacifism so far.

    As such, I don't really know how to vote on this. Unlike Thor who I believe has the superior 'firepower' out of any of these three and can conceivably nuke the other two and overwhelm their damage resistance if he were to go all out, neither of these two can *really* get the edge on the other.

    The power scale basically goes Thor>> Vision <shrugs> Hulk and I don't feel comfortable voting for either just yet.
     
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  15. jaqua99

    jaqua99 ....I need a horse!

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    Maybe Vision's beam is stronger than iron man's?

    Maybe a beam from an infinity stone is stronger than a repulsor blast Hulk tanked? Lol
     
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  16. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    Comic Thor has fought Celestials, Galactus, Zeus, Gorr The Godbutcher, Juggernaut, Surtur, Ego The Living Planet, Thanos and he's also defeated Hulk plenty of times as well.

    Thor definitely has better overall feats in the comic book world than almost any of Marvel superhero.

    Vision has vibranium fibers throughout his body he's not made up completely of vibranium. Also Thor cracked vibranium in Age of Ultron when he struck that device that was powering Ultron's gravity machine, so vibranium is not completely indestructable.
     
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  17. Thör-El

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    I still haven't voted either. Between vibranium/phasing and Hulk being Hulk I think they're both too durable for the other to put down. And I don't think MCU Vision's one feat of phasing to tear apart an Ultron drone is enough to say he could pull off the same trick against a powerhouse.

    I wouldn't get carried away with the "he has an infinity gem, he can't lose" idea. Mjolnir, Cap's shield and Loki (when it rebounded off Cap's shield) all tanked blasts from the mind gem and Thor tanked a dozen hits from Malekith when he had the aether (reality stone) and kept fighting.
     
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  18. jaqua99

    jaqua99 ....I need a horse!

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    I'm not. I'm just teasing Chaos, and standing that the Infinity Gem's blast is stronger than Iron man's repulsor lol
     
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  19. NHawk19

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    Vision could try to wear Hulk down by remaining intangible and flying but eventually to win he'd have to engage him which means remaining solid.

    That also give Hulk a chance to reach for the mind stone and swing Vision around and damage the synthetic tissue. This is about as close a match as you can get to the infinite force meeting the immovable object.
     
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  20. Surfer

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    It's hard to tell if this attack by Vision would carry the same force as some of the attacks by Hulk and Thor, due to Giant Man's size and weight. However, I believe if Vision hit a character with the size and weight of Thor or Hulk like he did to Giant Man, then the character would have gone flying just like when Hulk hit Thor or Thor hit Hulk in the arena against the wall.

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    Doing some research, it seems there has been some estimates of Giant Man's weight based on his size in the MCU to be somewhere near 500,000 lbs. Where as Hulk in the comics has generally been estimated to be around 1400 lbs on the high side. So, Vision must be hitting Giant Man with quite a lot of power to be knocking him back like that, and Vision didn't even come from a distance to gain momentum.

    I still think Visions got this.

    Surfer
     
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  21. AVEITWITHJAMON

    AVEITWITHJAMON Cloud kicks ass

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    Giant Man isn’t as strong as Hulk and Thor though, knowhere near in fact. Giant Man might weigh more, but Hulk and Thor could put much more force into their defence.

    Remember Hulk stopped a Leviathan dead with one punch, after it had been flying down for a while.
     
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  22. Surfer

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    I think your missing the point. Giant Man's strength is not relevant in this scenario, but Visions attack strength is. In this scenario Giant Man is the Leviathan. So, while Hulk slowed and stopped a moving Leviathan from advancing, Vision toppled a standing Giant Man propelling him backwards. My argument is not even to suggest that Vision's feat is greater than Hulk's, I am merely suggesting that his attack feat is not necessarilly that far off from any feat of Hulk or Thor. And given Vision's extra abilities, and higher durability, I think he is the more likely one to win this battle.

    Surfer
     
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  23. parkerpete

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    As someone who voted for Hulk, I have to admit right now that I did it because he's my sentimental favorite and I love him as one of the major Marvel characters of my childhood. But let's face it-- On the evidence, MCU Vision would totally take MCU Hulk down to Chinatown.
     
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  24. Batmannerism

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    Vision's feat is nowhere as impressive. He hits Giant Man by surprise and knocks him off balance.

    Hulk stops the Leviathan, which is slightly bigger, made of alien alloys and has plenty of forward momentum. Hell even Spider Man made Giant Man flinch.

    Just watched Age of Ultron - Vision is not "made of Vibranium" he has vibranium infused into whatever weird artificial tissue chamber was making ( probably the same tech they used to fix Hawkeye when he was wounded ).
    Anyway ,as BigThor pointed out MCU vibranium is far from indestructible - although Cap's shield, which is solid vibranium seems pretty close.

    I think folks are overestimating Vision's durability, skill and his feats ( which arent that impressive when you think about them) and underestimating Hulk's destructive power. Sure Vision took out Hawkeye, mostly by standing still and letting Hawkeye hit him. He goes toe to toe with Ultron Prime, which is more impressive......but then again Cap was pretty good against Ultron semi-prime.

    Vision's mind gem is awesome at blasting inanimate objects, badly damaged Ultron bots and nearly killing unsuspecting allies ( from behind) but otherwise it only gets used against one really tough target - Ultron Prime, (and lets face it, he wasnt all that) although Thor and Iron Man help out a lot.

    While Vision is highly effective against less powerful enemies, we dont really see him take on someone of his own power level and do much more than hold his own.

    By comparison Thor and Hulk deal each other some massive blows, and Thor ( with a power surge), nearly takes Hulk out - although Hulk recovers very quickly. Hulk is able to KO a weakened Thor. Hulk is able to fight an immortal asgardian wolf and smack it around.

    That's all a lot more impressive than tanking tons of Ultron bots, because so did Hawkeye.

    Scarlet Witch has used her mind powers on both Hulk amf Vision - Hulk nearly destroyed Cape Town, while Vision....fell through the floors.

    I'm far from a Hulk fan but I feel he's been a bit undersold in this poll. Also, in the big smackdown in Civil War, Vision does bugger all except stagger Giant Man, blast the tower and almost kill War Machine, by accident. I mean wtf was he doing most of that fight ? Floating around looking multi coloured and thoughtful ?

    What does that have to do with whether Vision could beat Hulk ? Not much really, but I thought I'd put it out there to remind everyone how overrated MCU Vision is.
     
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  25. AVEITWITHJAMON

    AVEITWITHJAMON Cloud kicks ass

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    Yeah I agree with a lot of this. I do think Vision is powerful, and we may get more feats from him in IW, but he has done nothing so far to suggest he could put down Hulk.
     
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