MCU Fight: Scarlet Witch Vs. Ebony Maw

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MCU Fight: Scarlet Witch Vs. Ebony Maw

Poll closed Jan 13, 2019.
  1. Scarlet Witch

    35.3%
  2. Ebony Maw

    64.7%
  1. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    We will be doing VS. battles for the MCU every week and will be using the Winners and Losers to create an accurate power tier list created by some of it's biggest fans (you). So don't forget to VOTE and after voting for a Winner please include a comment on which power tier, both the Winner and Loser should reside within. Also, see below for more details on the characters abilities as well as for a list of available power tiers to choose from.

    Don't forget to put which Tier group you think Scarlet Witch and Ebony Maw belong to in your posts. Also, don't forget I've now added the option of being able to change your vote if you change your mind. :up:


    So, without further delay here is this week's match up

    SCARLET WITCH

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    EBONY MAW

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    SCARLET WITCH

    - Psionic Energy Manipulation
    : Maximoff can project energy blasts, streams, waves and bolts of her own psionic and telekinetic energy, allowing her to hit, push/pull or blow away her targets, potentially exerting enough force to destroy them. This energy manifests in any shape or form, outlining her telekinetic spheres of influence, as the energy is visible in a reddish color. When her energy hits a target, she can use her telekinesis to inflict further damage. Maximoff unleashed a wave of red psionic force that tore apart and disintegrated surrounding Ultron Sentries when she sensed her brother Pietro Maximoff's death, letting out a scream of anguish. She may have healing capabilities, as she was shown beginning to mend Vision's wound from Corvus Glaive before being interrupted, however she may have simply been repairing the damage at a molecular level since Vision is made from non-biological material. She proved herself capable of destroying the Mind Stone, due to her powers having a similar energy signature. She also showed the capability of multitasking while using her abilities, as she simultaneously held back Thanos with a second stream of psionic energy while destroying the Stone.

    - Telekinesis: Maximoff has the ability to move, levitate and otherwise manipulate objects using her psionic energy. She uses this energy to affect and control molecules and particles, allowing her to fully control matter and energy, as well as physical forces (such as kinetic energy, friction, pressure, etc). Maximoff used this power to create a shield to protect innocents from enemy fire, stop an off-rail train in Seoul, knock back Captain America, tear apart Ultron Sentries and rip out the central processor of Ultron's primary body. She was even able to bring the immensely powerful Visionto his knees and blast him vertically down through a building's many floors. It appeared that her energy was able to take control over the stone's energies, allowing her manipulate his density shifting abilities, as the Mind Stone on Vision's forehead turned red, causing him to become heavy enough to break through several stories. Wanda's telekinesis is powerful enough to bend vibranium, as she managed to rip open the chest of Ultron's damaged primary body to summon his central processor to her hand, and was even strong enough to shatter the Mind Stone. She was also able to stop a massive line of Threshers and redirect them at Thanos' Outriders.

    - Levitation/Flight: Maximoff was able to use this power to move herself through the air and simulate flight, in order to hover and safely float back to the ground. The use of this power manifests as a blast of psionic energy expelled from her hands onto the ground to propel herself up in the air, with a second blast used to slow her momentum as she approaches ground allowing her to land safely. It operates more like a enhanced leap similarly to Hulk, thanks to the force of gravity pushing her down. Wanda’s power over time grew from an enhanced leap, to full-fledged flight soaring through the air.

    - Psionic Force-Field Generation
    : Maximoff was able to create a highly durable barrier of energy that she could shape and conform as needed. She used it to grab and break apart targets, protect others from enemy fire, contain a target or to cover and deflect attacks from enemies, such as Ultron's Sentries. Like any physical barriers, the barrier could be broken with extreme brute force, as the Sentries were able to eventually break it. During her time as an Avenger, Maximoff learned to project her energy around herself, essentially constructing a close-to-the-body psionic armor to protect herself from extreme impacts, such as falls from great heights or blows from superhumanly strong, increasing her durability to a significant degree. This allowed her to land safely whenever she crash lands, as well as defending her against the might of superhuman combatants, such as Proxima Midnight and Corvus Glaive who sent her flying through a window when attacking her, from which she emerged unscathed. She may also use this ability subconsciously, as she was unexpectedly struck in the head by Proxima Midnight in the Battle of Wakanda and was only incapacitated for a few minutes when the blow likely would have killed her if unshielded.

    - Telepathy: Maximoff can read minds, communicate telepathically, and experience the memories and thoughts of others. She can also project her own thoughts through the neuro-electric interface that is basis for her telepathy. This power can be hypnotic in nature as shown when she used it against the Avengers in South Africa, placing them in a sort of trance while she viewed the Avengers' memories. When using her power, her irises sometimes glow a dark reddish color, especially when she concentrates it on specific targets. She also used this ability to temporarily merge her consciousness with Ultron's, and it was thanks to this that she was able to discover his genocidal intentions and rebel against him. Maximoff can also sense the minds and emotions of those around her as she could see Stark's fear in their first encounter and sensed Quicksilver's death, knowing exactly what happened to him, as if she had been there in person. She also has a connection to the Mind Stone, as she was able to read its energy and state that she felt Vision's consciousness.

    - Mental Manipulation: Maximoff was able to deploy a form of mental manipulation, often as a type of illusory hypnosis, using the same neuro-electric interface that is the basis of her telepathic powers. She was able to use this ability to cripple the Avengers, forcing them each to recall the darker events of their pasts and placing them inside daydream-like visions that rendered them nearly helpless. When this ability is in use, Maximoff's reddish energy takes a more mist-like form, floating into the head of the victim in the form of neurons. The effects also distort the victim's iris coloration, causing them to shine a dark reddish color. This also allows her to control other people's actions, as she did with a considerable number of civilians in Sokovia to aid in their evacuation, causing them to experience a form of sleep walking and making them all get up and leave the city. Maximoff's mental power is even strong enough to reverse the effects of the Mind Stone, one of the most powerful objects in existence, as shown when she freed Helen Cho from the stone's control. She can also manipulate the memory, thoughts, actions, emotions, and senses of others at will, as well as to induce sleep or pain and create illusions without any difficulty. After her change of allegiance, she is no longer shown using this area of her powers.

    Fear Manipulation
    : With her power to manipulate the mind, Maximoff often used it in order to elicit fear or emotional pain in a person in the form of nightmarish hallucinations that could stun and weaken even an individual as powerful as Thor. These visions can depict things that a person fears, regrets, or general disturbances, though the nature of it is not up to Wanda. She does seem to be able to know what her victim is seeing and be inside the vision with them without them being aware of her presence.

    EBONY MAW

    - Telekinesis
    : Ebony Maw was able to move and otherwise manipulate objects to his will to an immense degree, employing this power offensively, able to swiftly send Iron Man flying skyward, to knock aside Spider-Man by sending a billboard flying into him without even looking at him, to angle away the trajectory of Cull Obsidian after the latter was sent flying at him. His precision with his power was enough to allow him to cleanly slice apart a car hurled at him; and to sculpt sharpened spikes out of debris, before launching it at the combined might of Doctor Strange and Wong. Maw was also able to use his telekinesis to restrain and muzzle a defeated Thor with panels from the walls of the Statesman. He was also able to manipulate the environment to hinder Doctor Strange's escape, managing to defeat the sorcerer again and knock him out, making use of several structures in the vicinity, such as stop lights.

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    Levitation: Ebony Maw could use his telekinesis to levitate, occasionally using this skill as a means of transportation, even able to make himself hover upside-down. He was also able to telekinetically take people with him while levitating himself, as seen when he lifted Doctor Strange into the air against a wall.

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    Pilot: Ebony Maw knew how to fly a Q-Ship on his own, attempting to take one to Titan after he captured Doctor Strange.

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    Microsurgery Needles: Ebony Maw used thin microsurgery needles when he tortured Doctor Strange in order to get the Time Stone. The needles were able to penetrate through Strange's skin thanks to Ebony Maw's telekinetic powers.

    *****Below is the list of power tiers to choose from. Please select a power tier for each character doing battle (the characters below in Red are not in any particular order). Be aware both characters can share the same power tier*****

    The character's current statuses below are as follows

    *****NOTE: Characters that are OFFICIAL will always be Placed above characters that are UNOFFICIAL.*****

    Cosmic Tier (cosmic/interdimension level power/presence on a planetary scale, at the minimum)
    Thanos (w/ Filled Infinity Gauntlet)

    Dormmamu
    Eson The Searcher with Infinity Stone
    Surtur Prime
    Ego The Living Planet
    Odin
    Doctor Strange (w/ Time Gem)

    Transcendent Tier (City to planetary level power & Cosmic/interdimensional level influence on a local scale?)
    Thor

    Hela
    Thanos (Base)
    Ronan with the Power Stone
    Kurse
    Surtur's Fire Dragon
    Fenris
    Ultron Prime (Vibranium)


    Powerhouse Tier (Beyond top tier, power/interdimensional power on a block to city Level)
    Vision

    Malekith (W/ reality gem)
    Doctor Strange
    Hulk
    Ghost Rider
    Ebony Maw
    Scarlet Witch
    Destroyer
    Hulkbuster Ironman
    Pre-Eternal Flame Surtur
    Abomination
    Cull Obsidian
    Abilisk
    Iron Man
    Jotunheim Beast
    Kronan
    Ancient One
    Giant Man
    Kaecilius

    Top Tier (Street to block level?)
    Ronan

    Valkyrie
    Hogun
    Aldrich Killian
    Loki
    Drax
    Heimdall
    War Machine
    Iron Monger
    Whiplash
    Quake
    Malekith
    Sif
    Fandral
    Volstagg
    Korath The Pursuer
    Groot
    Killgrave
    Yondu
    Lash
    Hive
    Frigga
    Pepper Potts with Extremis
    Mantis
    Skurge
    Korg
    Baron Mordo
    Master Wong
    Corvus Glaive

    Superhuman Tier (Street Level)
    Black Panther

    Captain America
    Spider-Man
    Gamora
    Star-Lord
    Vulture
    Falcon
    Winter Soldier
    Red Skull
    Crossbones
    Quicksilver
    Iron Fist
    Luke Cage
    Jessica Jones
    Eric Savin (Extremis Soldier)
    Ellen Brandt (Extremis Soldier)
    Emil Blonsky (Super Soldier)
    Madame Gao
    Mr. Hyde
    Slingshot
    Aida
    Raina
    Deathlok
    The Patriot
    Carl Creed the Absorbing Man
    Lorelei
    Nebula
    Miek
    Ant Man
    Yellow Jacket
    Proxima Midnight
    Erik Killmonger
    Ulysses Klaue

    Street Tier (non super human, agent level)
    Daredevil

    Elektra
    Black Widow
    Okoye
    Rocket Racoon
    Hawkeye
    Nick Fury
    Punisher
    Coleen Wing
    Batroc the Leaper
    Shocker
    Kingpin
    Nobu
    Diamondback
    Bakuto
    Peggy Carter
    Sharon Carter Agent 13
    Dum Dum Dugan
    Mocking Bird
    Maria Hill
    Misty Knight
    The Punisher
    Phil Coulson
    Zemo
    Jig Saw
    M'Baku
    Shur
     
  2. Iceman

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    When SW achieves her full potential she is going to be able to take on the real big guns, but at the current time we’ve seen Ebony Maw be very effective against a Strange that put on an awesome performance 1 on 1 against Thanos with multiple stones. At this point in the MCU I give the edge to Maw with the expectation that SW will overtake him in subsequent films.
     
  3. Docker2.0

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    Ebony Maw.
     
  4. Stormborn

    Stormborn Friendly Neighbourhood Thunder God

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    Scarlet Witch takes this.

    She has an overwhelming advantage in power/defensive abilities and I don't think Maw's advantages of greater telekinetic finesse and greater mobility are game changers.

    Power: Scarlet Witch held back Thanos with one hand whilst destroying an Infinity Stone with the other. She tore the heart out of vibranium Ultron. She lifted Black Order death machines that looked like they weighed 100+ tons and threw them across the battlefield onto the Outriders. She's held up a collapsing airport tower and stopped a runaway train. She can also manipulate energy, launch it at an enemy and have it explode on impact.

    Maw's feats are slicing apart a car, deflecting a ragdolled Cull Obsidian (who, if we're being generous, weighs a couple of tons), ragdolling Iron Man and restraining Thor after he'd already been beaten so badly he could barely stand. Not bad at all but not in Scarlet Witch's league.

    Defence:
    They're both glass cannons who can't survive the kind of hits they're capable of dealing. There's a major difference though. Scarlet Witch can create force field style shields, Maw on the other hand is all offence and no defence.

    Even in her first appearance Scarlet Witch can conjure telekinetic shields powerful enough to block gunfire, by Civil War she's able to contain a suicide bomb explosion for 5+ seconds and by the time we get to Infinity War she can put up a barrier strong enough to hold off Thanos. She can also conjure shields close to her body to cushion falls from great heights and I reckon it's worth mentioning she is able to use her powers without hand gestures (e.g. when she tore apart a room full of Ultron bots whilst standing there screaming) so Maw can't beat her the way he beat Strange.

    On the other hand Maw can't create shields, the best he can do is levitate objects into the way of attacks. And we saw in Infinity War that it's not always effective.

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    In my view he's far more likely to be hit first and in a fight between glass cannons, that's a huge deal.

    Skill:
    Advantage goes to Maw on this one, he's got some great feats of finesse with his powers like turning a concrete slab into hundreds of shrapnel projectiles, manipulating spaceship wreckage into a makeshift restraint for Thor and manipulating cables to restrain Doctor Strange. He also tagged Iron Man and Spider-Man (although neither of them knew what they were up against and Peter's a rookie).

    Wanda's far from unskilled though. Her reactions were fast enough to catch the explosion from Crossbones suicide bomb in Civil War after he hit the detonator and to win a close quarters fight with Proxima Midnight. She's able to use her shields to manipulate a building's worth of tear gas and vent it into the atmosphere. She was able to restrain and crush 5 Ultron Bots at once and fire an explosive energy blast that took out another 3. She rapidly threw 20+ cars on top of Iron Man before he could react.

    Mobility:

    Wanda can use her powers to levitate or to launch herself from one end of the battlefield to the other.

    Maw can use his powers to full on fly and he's clearly well practised. If he wanted to escape he could probably outrun Wanda. As for combat, he might be able to keep moving and dodge her attacks for a while. On the other hand, we know she can shoot dozens of Ultron bots out of the sky so maybe not.
     
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  5. Batmannerism

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    I would add to that that Wanda's powers can manifest in a blast wave ( e.g. vs numerous Ultron drones), react to her emotions and she was able to rip out Ultron Prime's mechanical heart. Also, Maw has a huge weakness in that he talks as he's fighting ( which gave Iron Man the opportunity to blast him into space). I see this fight being reasonably even, until he pisses Wanda off and she crushes him into paste or drops a building on him.
     
  6. Docker2.0

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    I really don't think SW was holding back Thanos with one hand as much as he was toying with him. Same with what he was doing with Captain America. This is a guy who completely overwhelmed the Hulk without using the power stone but yet he had the power stone on the gauntlet and didn't use it on Cap. He was simply having fun, like Ebony Maw said. SW is powerful but I think the Maw has been shown to be more powerful. That's why none of the Avengers could take him head on because not sure any could beat him. He had to die the way he did.
     
  7. Stormborn

    Stormborn Friendly Neighbourhood Thunder God

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    Thanos wasn't going for the kill (presumably he wanted to leave it up to the snap) but beyond that, he was tearing through the Wakanda Avengers like tissue paper. Hulkbuster, War Machine, Black Panther, Groot etc were swept aside without Thanos even breaking stride, he used the stones, he didn't toy with them. He didn't use the stones on Cap because he didn't need to, as soon as he landed a hit it was over.

    Wanda on the other hand knocked him backwards even though he braced for the hit, and then he grits his teeth and struggles to gain ground:

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    Maw's not even close to Wanda in power. He lifted a car and deflected Cull Obsidian, she lifted 100+ ton death machines. He tore apart concrete, she tore through vibranium to remove Ultron's heart. He restrained a beaten Thor that could barely stand, she held back Thanos.

    She has telekinesis, force field style shields, energy manipulation and telepathic powers, Maw just has telekinesis.

    Even if you think Maw wins through skill or something, you've got to admit Wanda's more powerful?
     
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    Maw was lifting heavy things in the ship that looked to weigh tons as well. Let's be real: The reason Maw went out the way he did is because Marvel didn't have a way to take him out. He ragdolled the Sorcerer Supreme and made him like like an amateur without even really trying. Even though Wanda did beat Proxima and Glauve or however you spell it, she struggled. Maw didn't struggle at all.
     
  9. PrehistoricDog

    PrehistoricDog Futurism

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    Sadly, Wanda still isn't skilled enough to take out someone like Maw. Maw can make weapons out of anything and everything around him quite quickly and would tag Wanda eventually.
     
  10. Stormborn

    Stormborn Friendly Neighbourhood Thunder God

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    Come on man, you're just making yourself seem biased by not acknowledging Scarlet Witch's advantages.

    Maw's been shown lifting 10 tons at a time at best. Scarlet Witch is closer to 100 tons. That's a huge gap in power. Same deal with the tearing apart vibranium/holding back Thanos feats Maw can't compete with.


    Maw has human level durability and no shields, Iron Man/Spider-Man could both one shot him. There were a bunch of ways they could've taken him out.

    I think the key point is that Maw didn't overpower Strange. He took advantage of Strange underestimating him and his inability to cast spells without hand gestures to take him out quickly. Strange is still a far more powerful character and I'd bet on Strange in a rematch

    Wanda ragdolled Proxima and Corvus two or three times each. She was clearly way above them but more interested in getting Vision to safety than defeating them.

    She only "struggled" when they used stealth or when she needed to react quickly to superhumanly strong/fast attacks in close quarters. I imagine Maw would struggle in those circumstances too.

    As for Maw struggling, I reckon being hit with shrapnel and getting a massive gash on his forehead counts. I imagine we'd have seen him struggle far more if he'd survived longer, he's all offense and no defence.
     
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    Or maybe we just agree to disagree. How does that make me bias? Geez bro, it's my opinion and I gave it why I think he'd win. :whatever:
     
  12. Spider-Fan

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    Wanda has more raw power, but Maw is better trained and wiser with his powers at this point. I think Maw wins now, but once Wanda gains more experience it may be a different conversation.
     
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    Stormborn Friendly Neighbourhood Thunder God

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    I can agree to disagree about who wins no worries. There's a bunch of factors in play besides raw power e.g. skill where Maw has the edge.

    I just find it really bizarre that you're insisting Maw is more powerful when he's only been shown lifting a few tons whereas SW can lift closer to 100.
     
  14. HammerDown

    HammerDown High Tide Or Low Tide

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    I voted Ebony Maw.

    He effortlessly owned Doctor Strange. Ebony Maw was basically toying with everyone until he got serious and immediately overpowered Doctor Strange. EM was cool, calm and collected. His defensive and offensive moves where masterfully done without breaking a sweat. He is in total control of his surroundings and his level of awareness is scary.

    He has the skill, the experience, intelligence... to deal with a Scarlet Witch who is still bit of a loose cannon. Also Ebony Maw completely neutralized Doctor Strange's hand/arm magic and use of the Time Stone by tying him up immediately and rendering him unconscious. Those types of hand/arm gestures are also something that Scarlet Witch is very dependent of.
     
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    Wanda uses hand gestures a lot but if she ended up restrained and about to die, I imagine she'd do this:
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    I can't see it coming to that though. SW has shields Maw will struggle to get through.

    Maw on the other hand, has no shields, relies on nearby debris being durable enough to protect him (SW's strongest attacks would tear through metal/concrete and one shot him anyway) and his reactions aren't always fast enough to block/dodge:
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    Yup. And I think folks are underestimating Maw's tendency to talk his foes to death - a fatal flaw that Wanda doesn't have. He could restrain her, but she'd blast the restraints and Maw to pieces IMO.
     
  17. jaqua99

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    I did this battle a few months back. Maw won.


    Sorry BT. IT's been a busy last week. Ill post next week's battle
     
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    BigThor God of Thunder

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    Oh yeah, way back in May I forgot about that. Lol a few months, that was almost a year ago.
     
  19. PrehistoricDog

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    Maw has been the only member of the Black Order to score victories in these match-ups. The other ones keep losing.
     
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    BigThor God of Thunder

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    True
     
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    [​IMG]

    Overall in terms of power wise I think Scarlett probably is the more powerful but Maw is at this point the better trained and like Strange she seems to rely heavily on hand gestures so I think currently he could exploit that.

    They are both glass cannons so its very much whoever hits first wins kind of match imo. Maw was very clearly injured having his own projectiles thrown back at him and Wanda was totally incapacitated from Hawkeye's electric arrow.

    He's the one member of the black order I am a little upset we won't see return the rest were rather generic.
     
  22. jaqua99

    jaqua99 ....I need a horse!

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    Lol I was hospitalized for 3 months, then a bit longer for recovery..so there's a gap of almost 4 months I kinda forgot about.

    May-October, November, December.. 4 months, see? ;)

    Haha, but yeah we'll see how this one turns out
     
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  23. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    Oh yeah that's right I didn't even think about that.
     
  24. HammerDown

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    Hopefully Ebony Maw shows up in a MCU "prequel".
    There's a precedent to that with Ronan showing up in Captain Marvel. EM had such a big impact that he deserves another movie where we can learn more about him... Maybe in some other character origin story.
     
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    Maw's experience & skill trumps Witch's raw power 8/10 times imo.
     

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