MCU Fight: Thor Vs. Ultron Prime

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MCU Fight: Thor Vs. Ultron Prime

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  1. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    We will be doing VS. battles for the MCU every week and will be using the Winners and Losers to create an accurate power tier list created by some of it's biggest fans (you). So don't forget to VOTE and after voting for a Winner please include a comment on which power tier, both the Winner and Loser should reside within. Also, see below for more details on the characters abilities as well as for a list of available power tiers to choose from.

    Don't forget to put which Tier group you think Thor and Ultron Prime belong to in your posts. :up:

    So, without further delay here is this week's match up

    THOR VS. ULTRON PRIME

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    THOR

    - Superhuman Strength: As an Asgardian, specifically the son of Odin, Thor is the third strongest Asgardian alive, apart from Odin and his elder sister Hela. He can lift or move immensely heavy objects effortlessly, such as when he was able to easily catch a falling car with one arm during Battle of Sokovia, saving the family trapped inside. He can also easily crush extremely durable objects - such as Iron Man's gauntlets. Thor was even able to tear space ships apart with his bare hands during his escape from Sakaar and held the upperhand while grappling with the Hulk during their gladiator battle. He was also able to easily swing around Rocket Raccoon's Milano escape pod at great speeds, and even hold open the massive forge of a Nidavellir star long enough for Eitri to heat the metal, as well as throw Stormbreaker with enough force that combined with his electrical powers, it was able to slice through a beam from the completed Infinity Gauntlet, and lodge deep into Thanos's chest

    -Superhuman Reflexes: Thor can react and dodge objects traveling at high speeds, with him blocking many differences kinds of weapons with his hammer such as Dark Elf lasers and Chitauri lasers.

    - Superhuman Durability: Thor possesses nigh-invulnerability, including resistance to powerful energy blasts, immense blunt force trauma, falls from great heights, explosions and various other opposing forces. He withstood the extreme cold of Jotunheim, the extreme heat of Muspelheim, survived a direct near point-blank range blast from Gungnir blasting him out of Odin's chamber, and falling several hundred feet to the ground, showing no visible signs of injury. Thor withstood a 400%-charged repulsor blast from Iron Man. Thor's durability even allowed him to survive the full force of a re-ignited Nidavellir star, though it leaves his body severely charred and knocks him unconscious and he was close to death and would have died had Stormbreaker not healed him. Thor's physical constitution is so strong the he is able to survive exposure to the power of the Infinity Stones, as evidenced when he was able to quickly recover from being hit by the Reality Stone's powers whenever Malekith blasts it at him and even remain conscious after having Thanos repeatedly press the force of the Power Stone against his head, which if touched by beings less powerful would instantly obliterate them.

    Regenerative Healing Factor: Due to his Asgardian physiology, Thor is able to heal at a rate much faster than a normal human. After the brutal beating he suffered from Kurse, upon arriving to Earth several minutes later, he had nearly completely recovered from his bleeding wounds. While fighting Hela, Thor was painfully pierced multiple times by her Necroswords, getting his right eye gouged out in the process, and while Thor was unable to regenerate his eye, he recovered from all of the stabs mere minutes later, despite the Warriors Three all perishing from a single stab from Hela each. Later, Thor survived the full force of a re-ignited Nidavellir star, though it left his body charred and near death, Thor was completely healed after receiving Stormbreaker to harness and amplify his supernatural powers.

    - Weather Manipulation: Thor displayed the ability to manipulate parts of the weather even before he lost his hammer to Hela. His focus always seemed to be somewhere else, so whenever events of him displaying his power occurred his mind was elsewhere. Among them was when he was able to keep rain from touching Jane Foster as a downpour occurred, and when he began to generate sparks of lightning from his hands after becoming furious. He began to unlock the full potential of his abilities during his encounter with Hela, now being able to generate rather large storm clouds and create thunder.

    - Lightning Manipulation: Thor can generate, control and project electrical energy, with him thus being dubbed the "God of Thunder". Following Odin's death, Thor's electrokinetic powers are further enhanced to the point where he could generate electrical energy from his own body and summon thunder and lightning from the sky, without the use of Mjølnir. Indeed, Thor's generated lightning bolts were powerful enough to take down a Chitauri Leviathan, to blacken an Aether-enhanced Malekith, to send an enraged Hulk flying back, and to even temporarily stun Hela herself, all with a single respective blast. Additionally, he could pull enemies towards him using lightning and he was able to destroy a proportion of Rainbow Bridge that Hela was standing on.

    - Stormbreaker: Thor's newly forged maul Stormbreaker is able to focus and hone Thor's powers, acting as a conduit. The weapon, due to being made out of Uru, is neigh-indestructible and able to withstand energy blasts created by the Infinity Stones, even wounding Thanos. The only reason it failed to kill Thanos was because Thor intentionally delayed the killing blow, which quickly proved to be a catastrophic mistake. Stormbreaker is able to summon the Bifrost Bridge, even after the bridge's apparent destruction, shown when Thor teleported himself, Rocket Raccoon and Groot to Wakanda instantly. The weapon, like Mjølnir before it, will return to Thor's hand when he opens it and strikes his opponents with massive force.



    ULTRON PRIME

    - Robotic Physiology: Ultron first possessed a mangled, corroded humanoid robotic body constructed out of Tony Stark's Iron Legion sentinel drones. Shortly over time, he built an armada of robotic sentinel forms and primary robotic forms for himself that were all sourced from the HYDRA Research Base; therefore, he becomes much powerful and stronger with each new upgrades.

    - Superhuman Strength: Ultron could generate such extraordinary amounts of force far beyond human capabilities, easily crushing and destroying a robotic head with a single hand. His later bodies were used to fight Iron Man on relatively equal terms, and maintain the upper hand against Captain America - easily deflecting his shield with his hand and hurling it back at equal speed. Ultron's final vibranium-armored primary body bestowed him incredible superhuman strength, enough to overpower even Thor and Vision, with Ultron being able to punch Thor hard enough to make the nigh-invulnerable Asgardian slightly bleed.

    - Superhuman Durability: Ultron's initial primary robotic body was highly durable, equivalent to the Iron Man armor suit. However, his body was prone to damage inflicted by both Captain America's Shield and Iron Man's repulsor blasts. Ultron adopted the last exceptionally durable and ultimate body form armored by the remaining vials of Vibranium. His final body allowed him to survive a punch from the Hulk and a swing from Vision wielding the Mjølnir. However, the durability of his last body form still had its limits - as being simultaneously blasted with the intense energy beam from Vision's Mind Stone, double repulsor blasts from Iron Man, and a lightning bolt from Thor wielding Mjølnir, Ultron's armor slowly began to melt off, weakening him gradually.

    - Superhuman Stamina: As an android, Ultron did not sleep nor eat, being highly capable of maintaining his activities continuously for extended periods of time.

    - Flight: Ultron had the ability to fly through the air at high speeds, enough to keep up with the lighter Iron Man during their short battle. His third body did not use jet propulsion, and instead utilized Chitauri anti-gravitational technology which he worked with when taking over Strucker's base.

    - Gravity Manipulation: Ultron possessed miniaturized versions of the anti-gravity technology that served to keep the Chitauri Leviathan afloat; essentially re-purposing them as offensive weaponry. Through miniature generators housed in his hands, he could manipulate gravitational fields, allowing him to move an object through a push/pull motion. Ultron used these to pull his enemies towards himself, throw large objects at enemies (e.g. debris), and even shift the land mass around him by pulling large chunks up from the ground.[8]. His final form possessed this technology in place of its flight based parts, allowing him to fly by manipulating his immediate gravitational field.

    - Concussion Beams: Ultron could shoot highly concussive red blasts through his hands and fingertips. Much like the repulsor beams of the Iron Man armor, Ultron's red energy blasts are fired from his hands, with the difference being that it appears as an electrical plasma. The severity of these blasts could be willfully adjusted as Ultron has been shown to both stun and kill, such as when he stunned Helen Cho, or when he blasted through the train conductor's door during his skirmish with Captain America; effectively destroying the train's control panel and killing the train conductor inside.

    - Body Temperature Manipulation: Ultron could raise the temperature of his hands as means of slicing or causing damage to the desired target. Much like the Extremis hosts, when Ultron heats up his hands, they glow with the intensity of the heat. He instinctively used this ability to slice off Ulysses Klaue's arm when the latter compared him to Iron Man, as well as when he destroyed his own second body after adopting his new vibranium-encased form.

    - Technology Manipulation: As an artificial intelligence, Ultron could mentally control and channel himself via computer technology.

    - Mind Transfer: As an artificial intelligence, Ultron could transfer his consciousness where he could access any computer systems and encrypted systems, as where he becomes essentially anywhere and everywhere. Ultron could transfer his consciousness into the Ultron Sentries, serving as host bodies; that is, once the drones' eyes and mouths glow red, Ultron was in complete control.

    - Hive Mind System: Ultron could mentally command all of the Ultron Sentries, to do his exact biddings. The sentries act as extensions of Ultron himself.

    - Computer Interaction: Ultron could enter and corrupt any computer network and access the Internet at any point in time. Ultron used this ability to hack and destroy J.A.R.V.I.S.. He was able to mentally hack into the bank account of Ulysses Klaue and transfer billions of dollars into his account, in exchange for his vibranium supply. However, during the Battle of Sokovia, Vision was able to hack into Ultron's programming and disable the latter's ability to escape through the net, though the great effort involved in doing so briefly incapacitated Vision.

    - Genius-Level Intellect: As an artificial intelligence, Ultron learns inhumanly quickly, and can download information and data directly into his mind.

    *****Below is the list of power tiers to choose from. Please select a power tier for each character doing battle (the characters below in Red are not in any particular order). Be aware both characters can share the same power tier*****

    The character's current statuses below are as follows

    BLUE CHARACTERS = OFFICIAL FINAL PLACEMENT FOR CHARACTERS
    GREEN CHARACTERS = OFFICIAL TRANSITIONAL PLACMENT FOR CHARACTERS FIGHTING UP THE TIER LIST
    ORANGE CHARACTERS = OFFICIAL TRANSITIONAL PLACMENT FOR CHARACTERS FIGHTING DOWN THE TIER LIST
    RED CHARACTERS = UNOFFICIAL SPECULATIVE PLACEMENT FOR CHARACTERS

    *****NOTE: Characters that are OFFICIAL will always be Placed above characters that are UNOFFICIAL.*****


    Cosmic Tier (cosmic/interdimension level power/presence on a planetary scale, at the minimum)
    Dormammu
    Eson The Searcher with Infinity Stone
    Surtur Prime
    Ego The Living Planet
    Odin
    Doctor Strange (w/ Time Gem)
    Thanos (w/ Filled Infinity Gauntlet)

    Transcendent Tier (City to planetary level power & Cosmic/interdimensional level influence on a local scale?)
    Thanos w/ the Power Stone
    Hela
    Ronan with the Power Stone
    Kurse
    Fenris


    Powerhouse Tier (Beyond top tier, power/interdimensional power on a block to city Level)
    Vision
    Hulk
    Doctor Strange
    Ghost Rider
    Ebony Maw
    Scarlet Witch
    Hulkbuster Iron Man
    Abomination
    Pre-Eternal Flame Surtur
    Malekith (W/ reality gem)
    Ancient One
    The Destroyer Armor
    Giant Man
    Kaecilius
    Cull Obsidian

    Top Tier (Street to block level?)
    Valkyrie
    Iron Man
    Aldrich Killian
    Drax the Destroyer
    Ronan
    Loki
    Iron Monger
    Whiplash
    War Machine
    Quake
    Malekith
    Heimdall
    Sif
    Hogun
    Fandral
    Volstagg
    Korath The Pursuer
    Groot
    Killgrave
    Yondu
    Lash
    Hive
    Frigga
    Pepper Potts with Extremis
    Mantis
    Skurge
    Korg
    Baron Mordo
    Master Wong
    Corvus Glaive

    Superhuman Tier (Street Level)
    Black Panther
    Captain America
    Starlord
    Gamora
    Spiderman
    Winter Soldier
    Vulture
    Red Skull
    Crossbones
    Falcon
    Quicksilver
    Iron Fist
    Luke Cage
    Jessica Jones
    Eric Savin (Extremis Soldier)
    Ellen Brandt (Extremis Soldier)
    Emil Blonsky (Super Soldier)
    Madame Gao
    Mr. Hyde
    Slingshot
    Aida
    Raina
    Deathlok
    The Patriot
    Carl Creed the Absorbing Man
    Lorelei
    Nebula
    Miek
    Ant Man
    Yellow Jacket
    Proxima Midnight
    Erik Killmonger
    Ulysses Klaue

    Street Tier (non super human, agent level)
    Daredevil
    Black Widow
    Rocket Racoon
    Hawkeye
    Elektra
    Punisher
    Coleen Wing
    Batroc the Leaper
    Shocker
    Kingpin
    Nobu
    Diamondback
    Bakuto
    Peggy Carter
    Sharon Carter Agent 13
    Dum Dum Dugan
    Mocking Bird
    Maria Hill
    Misty Knight
    The Punisher
    Nick Fury
    Phil Coulson
    Zemo
    Jig Saw
    M'Baku
    Okoye
    Shuri
     
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  2. Ms. Marvel

    Ms. Marvel Screwed up Avenger

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    The inclusion of Stormbreaker did it for me. Ultron Prime was taken out (the first time) by a weaker-than-now Thor, Iron Man and Vision. I believe post Ragnarok Thor with the weapon has the ability to do so himself. It may not be easy and I may be underselling Ultron Prime a little but ultimately I expect Thor to take this.
     
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  3. Thör-El

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    Ultron gave Thor trouble in AoU by blindsiding him, knocking Mjolnir away and pinning Thor with what seemed to be a strength advantage. Still, Thor was joking/distracting him for Vision and didn't seem to be in any real danger.
    Later we see a fairly small lightning strike from Thor contribute to melting Ultron's vibranium and then Ultron gets thrown across the city by one hit from Hulk.

    I'm not convinced Ultron was a tier above him back then but Thor became far more powerful in Ragnarok/Infinity War anyway so I definitely see him winning a rematch

    • Post-Ragnarok Thor has unarmed lightning punches powerful enough to stun/ragdoll Hulk so I can't see him struggling in close quarters even if he's disarmed
    • He's summoned lightning strikes vastly more powerful than the one that helped melt Ultron's vibranium - e.g .ragdolling/stunning Hela, destroying Sokovia, shooting down Chitauri leviathans
    • His durability feats have become far more extreme (taking Hulk's best hits without a scratch, surviving the full force of a star) to the point where I can't see Ultron hurting him
    • He's gained an axe that can overpower a blast from the Infinity Gauntlet and still have enough momentum left over to near enough one shot Thanos (who tore through Vision's vibranium skull with his bare hands). If it can do that then it should be able to cut through vibranium.
     
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  4. Surfer

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    I at one point would have felt Ultron Prime could hold his own against Thor due to his Vibranium body make up, but I think given the feats in Ragnarok and Infinify War clearly shows a Thor that is in the upper Transcendant tier. So, I have a feeling Thor should now win this quite easily.

    Surfer
     
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  5. Batmannerism

    Batmannerism Super-unknown

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    What he said ! Can't see Infinity War Thor having any problem with Ultron Prime.
     
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  6. Thör-El

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    He's had two major power boosts in his last couple of films.

    With that in mind, shouldn't we be ranking Stormbreaker Thor (high transcendent), Ragnarok Thor (low transcendent) and Thor with Mjolnir (high powerhouse) separately like we have with Iron Man/Doctor Strange/Thanos/Surtur?
     
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  7. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    Nah, Iron Man has different entire suits and Doctor Strange had an Infinity Stone. Honestly I don't think Thor got a power boost in Ragnarok, just got more feats and power displays.

    Thor's power ups seem to just be a natural evolution of the MCU expanding. Also Stormbreaker is a weapon unique to it's wielder unlike the Time Gem which isn't something specifically made for Strange.

    I think Thor should be at the very top of the Transcendent tier, he would beat Power Stone Thanos comfortably.

    Look at how he performed versus Thanos with ALL of the Infinity Stones. Granted in an extended battle Full IG Thanos would beat Thor, but still off guard or not it showed Thor was well above Thanos with just ONE stone.
     
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  8. Docker2.0

    Docker2.0 Watchin' you!

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    I agree.Thor seems to not go all out most of the time. When he does he seems a lot more powerful. I think Thor 1 and 2 did not show everything he could do.
     
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  9. Spider-Fan

    Spider-Fan SHHFFL 2014 Champion

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    I think Thor wins this fight fairly comfortably.

    But to your point on Thanos BigThor, I have to disagree. Thanos would beat him. He was caught off guard in Wakanda. Without that benefit, Thor loses. Remember how helpless he was at start of IW?
     
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  10. Thör-El

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    You mean the start of Infinity War where the fight happens off screen and Thor was probably caught off guard?

    In my mind it goes:
    Thanos with the IG > Stormbreaker Thor > Thanos with the Power Gem > Ragnarok Thor > Base Thanos > Thor with Mjolnir
     
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  11. Spider-Fan

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    For me it is simpler: Thanos > Thor. The Nova Corp called Thanos the most powerful being in the universe, and the Nova Corp no doubt know of Asgard and Thor. So they at least think Thanos trumps him.
     
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  12. jolldan

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    Thor turns Ultron in to a holder for Stormbreaker.
     
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  13. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    Thor also didn't have Stormbreaker at the beginning of that fight and we have no idea how the fight went down it was off camera. The Black Order and Thanos could have jumped Thor or Thanos could have beat him one on one, either way we'll never know since it was off screen.

    Oh and did I mention Thor didn't have Stormbreaker, it's only the most powerful weapon in all of Asgard and designed for an All Father. Thanos had a weapon at the beginning of Infinity War called the Power Stone, Thor was unarmed let's not forget the context.
     
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  14. Spider-Fan

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    Thanos also has one of the 6 most powerful objects in the universe for this hypothetical fight. One that can destroy planets and moons. Stormbreaker is great, it is not an infinity stone.
     
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    If I remember right it was Ronan's henchman that called Thanos "the most powerful being in the universe" and compared to going by feats he's not a great source.

    A) That guy might've been referring to Thanos having armies
    B) He'd seen Thanos up close whereas even if he vaguely knew about Thor/Odin the universe is a big place so he wouldn't have seen them up close (Asgard and the Kree had been peaceful for years) and he definitely didn't know about Hela, Surtur, Ego etc
    C) He definitely didn't know about Stormbreaker/Thor's Ragnarok power amp because they hadn't happened yet
     
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  16. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    Let's see, a beam from ONE Infinity Stone vs a weapon that overpowered a beam made up of all SIX Infinity Stones.....hmmmm.

    Thanos infused Thor's Asgardian ship with Power Stone energy causing it to explode at point blank range (including Thor's head) in a attempt to kill Thor and Thor survived. Thor literally could have KILLED Thanos if he had aimed for the head as stated by the Russos Brothers themselves.

    if we're gonna bring statements into the matter, what's a bigger statement than one from the director's themselves.

    Ego and Surtur would disagree.
     
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    Thanos was also surprised in that moment. If we're going to make excuses like Thor lost the battle in space because Thanos surprised him, then you have to offer Thanos the same courtesy. Otherwise you're just picking and choosing. Thanos also could have killed Thor on the ship, but he spared him. I am not saying Thor is not powerful, I am saying Thanos is more powerful.

    I don't think the Nova Corp were aware of either of them at that point in time. But Thor existed. Granted he got a power upgrade, but so did Thanos. With one of the 6 most powerful objects in the universe.
     
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    BigThor God of Thunder

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    Except I never said that, Thor-El did and I actually factored in Thor catching Thanos off guard a few posts up.

    I actually said in an extended fight Thanos with the Full IG would beat Stormbreaker Thor, but that doesn't take away the fact that Thor overpowered a beam of all 6 gems. Suprised or not, a blast from all 6 gems > a blast from one gem no matter how you slice it.

    Thanos spared Thor by destroying his ship and blowing him up at point blank range with a large Power Stone explosion? Lol
     
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    Not true. Thanos clearly could have countered it other ways if he thought of it. See the fight between him and Strange. He just wasn't ready for it. I don't see Stormbreaker doing that to Thanos a 2nd time. The power stone does more than simple blasts and such. Ronan could be hit by space ships when he had it and they did nothing. It can make moons or planets explode (it took more than the power stone to throw the moon, but the act of destroying it only required that 1 stone). It also was used several times to absorb heavy damage and convert it.

    That being said, is this Thor's last fight for a while? I feel like he is the most used person to date, and it always just devolves into "Thor is the greatest, most powerfulest evah!!!" I think we need a break from him in battles for many weeks. Maybe work on some less cosmic tiers as well.


    He spared him when he was trying to force Loki to give him the Tesseract. Thor's face was gonna explode like a ripe melon.
     
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    BigThor God of Thunder

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    Thor already had a break, he hasn't been used in 3 months and Ghost Rider has battled just as much as Thor.Also this was Jaqua99's turn but he's sick so I'm filling in for him, I asked him to do Cull Obsidian vs Abomination but he wanted to battle Thor into a higher tier.

    I actually voted against Thor in the MCU Tag Team Battles when I put Thor & Hela vs Surtur.

    I genuinely think Thor can beat Power Stone Thanos, I don't genuinely think he can beat Dormmamu, Surtur, or Full IG Thanos, I'm a fan but I'm not a blind fan as I'm often made out to be I don't think he can beat everyone. So there goes those theories...

    Lol ok, I'm done.
     
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  21. Docker2.0

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    I don't know man. Your name is BigThor..............not saying you are bias but you can't deny you are a huge Thor fan. :cwink:
     
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  22. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    Yeah my name gets me a lot of slack, however being a big fan is one thing but being a blind fan is another. Blind fans better known as "Stans" go overboard and say things their favorite character clearly isn't capable of.

    I've never said Thor could do anything that he arguably couldn't, I feel I'm more reasonable than I get credit for. When Kurse battered him I accepted that Kurse was above him, when Hela beat I also accepted she was above him, and when Thanos beat him I accepted he was above him as well (without Stormbreaker).

    A blind fan wouldn't do that, a blind fan will ignore most if not all logic and even actual onscreen events.
     
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    Relax man, I was kidding. Hence the wink.
     
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  24. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    I know I saw it, I was just saying and I'm not upset or wound up.
     
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  25. Spider-Fan

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    Cull vs Abomb would be a good one :up:

    I am not singling you out or anything. I am saying though Thor fights feel like the same argument when they come up. On a personal level, I do think the power stone's power is under sold largely as is how powerful Thanos is. Thor's the most powerful hero, I think we can agree on that. I just don't think he is a match for Thanos.

    I do feel like some of the lower tiers don't get as much attention, though. We mostly get powerhouse and transcendent fights.

    It's pretty evident Thanos was killing him with the stone while Loki was watching. Face was becoming purple and everything. So the power stone is most definitely capable of destroying Thor.
     
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