MCU Fight: Valkyrie Vs Drax The Destroyer

[BigThor]

We will be doing VS. battles for the MCU every week and will be using the Winners and Losers to create an accurate power tier list created by some of it's biggest fans (you). So don't forget to VOTE and after voting for a Winner please include a comment on which power tier, both the Winner and Loser should reside within. Also, see below for more details on the characters abilities as well as for a list of available power tiers to choose from.

Don't forget to put which Tier group you think Valkyrie and Drax The Destroyer belong to in your posts.

So, without further delay here is this week's match up.


Valkyrie Vs Drax The Destroyer

Valkyrie

Superhuman Strength: Like all Asgardians, Brunnhilde possesses superhuman strength. As the leader of the Valkyries, her strength surpasses all the other Warrior Maidens, superior to Loki but below that of Thor and Hulk, although the latter of whom she was able to knock down in a brief sparing match. She was able to easily overpower a large space ship turret with her bare hands, slice space ships apart with her sword, and throw a humanoid alien hundreds of feet with one hand.

Superhuman Agility: Valkyrie naturally possesses greater agility, dexterity, balance, and body coordination than that of a normal human being, allowing her to easily jump and fall on her feet.

Superhuman Speed: Valkyrie can move at high speeds, allowing her to dodge a powerful attack from Hulk, to deflect a wave of projectiles hurled at her by Hela in rapid succession, and to momentarily incapacitate Hela with a sudden jump on the latter.

Superhuman Stamina: Like all Asgardians, Valkyrie's musculature produces considerably less fatigue toxins during physical activity than that of humans, which allowed her to fight many Berserkers, and even the more powerful Hela herself, without tiring at all.

Superhuman Durability: Valkyrie's body is much more resistant to physical harm than that of a human. hence, she was able to withstand Hela's mighty attacks, falls from great heights, extreme pressures and temperatures and powerful explosions.

Longevity: Like all Asgardians, Valkyrie ages at a rate that is much slower than that of a human being, allowing her to remain physically young for thousands of years.


Drax The Destroyer

- Superhuman Strength: Strong enough to punch through concrete, leap several dozen feet from the ground, rip the metal aparatus from Korath The Pursuers head, and tear a small gun turret in half

- Superhuman Durability: Able to withstand bullets without any damage, being punched through metal walls by Ronan The Accuser, and being pulled through a forest of large trees by the Guardians spaceship Milano.

- Enhanced Reflexes: Able to fight multiple enemies at once and reaction to attacks from several opponents

- Combat Skills: Has been given the nickname "The Destroyer" because of his skill and deadly fighting style creating fear throughout the galaxy. Efficient in hand to hand combat as well as wielding dual knives in battle

*****Below is the list of power tiers to choose from. Please select a power tier for each character doing battle (the characters below in Red are not in any particular order). Be aware both characters can share the same power tier*****

The character's current statuses below are as follows

BLUE CHARACTERS = OFFICIAL FINAL PLACEMENT FOR CHARACTERS
GREEN CHARACTERS = OFFICIAL TRANSITIONAL PLACMENT FOR CHARACTERS FIGHTING UP THE TIER LIST
ORANGE CHARACTERS = OFFICIAL TRANSITIONAL PLACMENT FOR CHARACTERS FIGHTING DOWN THE TIER LIST
RED CHARACTERS = UNOFFICIAL SPECULATIVE PLACEMENT FOR CHARACTERS

*****NOTE: Characters that are OFFICIAL will always be Placed above characters that are UNOFFICIAL.*****


Cosmic Tier (cosmic/interdimension level power/presence on a planetary scale, at the minimum)

Dormammu

Eson The Searcher with Infinity Stone

Surtur Prime

Ego The Living Planet

Odin

Doctor Strange (w/ time gem)


Transcendent Tier (City to planetary level power & Cosmic/interdimensional level influence on a local scale)]

Hela

Ronan with the Power Stone

Ultron Prime (Vibranium)

Thanos

Kurse

Fenris


Powerhouse Tier (Beyond top tier, power/interdimensional power on a block to city Level)

Thor

Hulk

Ghost Rider

Hulk Buster Iron Man

Abomination

Doctor Strange

Malekith (W/ reality gem)

Ancient One

Vision

The Destroyer Armor

Giant Man

Kaecilius


Top Tier (Street to block level)

Aldrich Killian

Ronan

Loki

Iron Monger

Iron Man

Scarlet Witch

Whiplash

War Machine

Quake

Malekith

Heimdall

Sif

Hogun

Fandral

Volstagg

Korath The Pursuer

Groot

Killgrave

Yondu

Lash

Hive

Frigga

Pepper Potts with Extremis

Mantis

Skurge

Korg

Baron Mordo

Master Wong


Superhuman Tier (Street Level)

Captain America

Gamora

Spiderman

Black Panther

Winter Soldier

Vulture

Red Skull

Crossbones

Falcon

Quicksilver

Starlord

Iron Fist

Luke Cage

Jessica Jones

Eric Savin (Extremis Soldier)

Ellen Brandt (Extremis Soldier)

Emil Blonsky (Super Soldier)

Madame Gao

Mr. Hyde

Slingshot

Aida

Raina

Deathlok

The Patriot

Carl Creed the Absorbing Man

Lorelei

Nebula

Miek

Ant Man

Yellow Jacket


Street Tier (non super human, agent level)

Daredevil

Black Widow

Elektra

Hawkeye

Punisher

Coleen Wing

Batroc the Leaper

Rocket Racoon

Shocker

Kingpin

Nobu

Diamondback

Bakuto

Peggy Carter

Sharon Carter Agent 13

Dum Dum Dugan

Mocking Bird

Maria Hill

Misty Knight

The Punisher

Nick Fury

Phil Coulson

Zemo
*****As I mentioned earlier, as fights occur an official tier list will be created and updated by me and that can be viewed here.*****

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=535009

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[DrCosmic]

Valky takes this.

I have almost no idea why Drax does not seem to be formidable in GotG, 2 especially. He has zero feats. He's gotta be dead at the bottom of whatever tier he's in, and that's a crying shame.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Valkyrie. She is just too skilled. Top tier seems right.

 

[Batmannerism]

Valkyrie. A combination of comparable strength and durability with superior skill and speed.

Valkyrie fought Hela hand to hand , for about five seconds, but she lived - which is longer than the warriors three or most of the Asgardian army.

I doubt poor Drax would last that long against the death goddess.


If he and Val fought bare hands he might have a chance, but with swords or knives she'd cut him into steaks.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Valkyrie wins this one easily.

 

[Surfer]

Ronan the accuser with the power stone (who is less powerful than Hela) beat Drax worse than Hela beat Valkyrie, so yeah Valkyrie takes this one.

Surfer

 

[BigThor]

Valkyrie. A combination of comparable strength and durability with superior skill and speed.

Valkyrie fought Hela hand to hand , for about five seconds, but she lived - which is longer than the warriors three or most of the Asgardian army.

I doubt poor Drax would last that long against the death goddess.


If he and Val fought bare hands he might have a chance, but with swords or knives she'd cut him into steaks.

Valkyrie would beat the brakes off of Drax with or without weapons, he probably wouldn't land a punch.

 

[ludovica]

It pains me but ya'll right.
To avert making Drax seem a Hulk-lite they vastly underselled him.

 

[jaqua99]

Valkerie in a borderline stomp. Too durable. WAY stronger. She's an Asgardiana

 

[BigThor]

Too skilled mainly, I think the skill gap between them is much bigger than the strength and durability gap.

I think skill doesn't get enough recognition in superhero battles.

 

[Surfer]

Too skilled mainly, I think the skill gap between them is much bigger than the strength and durability gap.

I think skill doesn't get enough recognition in superhero battles.

Agreed. She is the Asgardian special forces after all, so you know that must mean she has mad hand to hand combat skills.

Surfer

 

[BigThor]

Agreed. She is the Asgardian special forces after all, so you know that must mean she has mad hand to hand combat skills.

Surfer

Well we don't have to speculate, she actually showed it when she fought Loki.

 

[metaphysician]

I like Drax, and I think he's underrated. I'd bet if he took on the average Iron Man armor, he could give as good as he got.

Doesn't change that Valkyrie is going to kick his ass 10/10. She's a direct peer of Thor, with an emphasis on skill, and this is a mountain Draw just is not going to be able to climb.

 

[Fosterson]

Well we don't have to speculate, she actually showed it when she fought Loki.

Brunnhilde is the only Asgardian to show any real martial arts knowledge in the MCU. I've a feeling that if it wasn't for his stat advantage, she'd kick the cr*p out of the Odinson himself!

OT, Valkyrie murders Drax. MCU Drax isn't far above Cap or Bucky in terms of strength (although he is in durability) and is sorely lacking in skill. Here's hoping he does something impressive in Infinity War.

 

[BigThor]

Brunnhilde is the only Asgardian to show any real martial arts knowledge in the MCU. I've a feeling that if it wasn't for his stat advantage, she'd kick the cr*p out of the Odinson himself!

OT, Valkyrie murders Drax. MCU Drax isn't far above Cap or Bucky in terms of strength (although he is in durability) and is sorely lacking in skill. Here's hoping he does something impressive in Infinity War.

Thor also has actual powers like weather control unlike Valkyrie who is purely physical.

Thor himself is no slouch in combat, remember how he pummeled those Shield agents in Thor with no powers. He also showed quite a bit of skill on the bifrost bridge battle with Hela's undead warriors and in the gladiator fight against Hulk.

He's portrayed as more of a brute, but he's had his share of skilled hand to hand fighting.

 

[NesOut]

Ronan the accuser with the power stone (who is less powerful than Hela) beat Drax worse than Hela beat Valkyrie, so yeah Valkyrie takes this one.

Surfer

Ronan beat Drax without the Power Stone and with the Power Stone he was leagues above Hela, the PW can one shot a planet, Hela was one shotted by Surtur who best feat is country bust Asgard.

 

[Batmannerism]

Ronan beat Drax without the Power Stone and with the Power Stone he was leagues above Hela, the PW can one shot a planet, Hela was one shotted by Surtur who best feat is country bust Asgard.

Yeah, and despite all that power he got one shotted by a couple of near-humans and a raccoon. Hela took out an army of asgardians single handed and even Thor could only slow her down.

I say poll Ronan v Hela. Infinity stones are only as good as their wielders which is why Thor smoked Malekith, who was in possession of an infinity stone, yet Dr Strange was able to stalemate a god, by using a stone cleverly.

My money's on Hela. She couldn't be bothered with the stone she came across in Odin's vault.

Ronan, with no power stone, might be a close match for Valkyrie. He was easily much stronger, faster, more durable and more skilful than Drax. Give her a sword and him his weird hammer and see how things go. With weapons I give Val the edge but in pure hand to hand it might be almost too close to call.

 

[Fosterson]

Yeah, and despite all that power he got one shotted by a couple of near-humans and a raccoon.

Who used the Power Stone against him.

I say poll Ronan v Hela. Infinity stones are only as good as their wielders which is why Thor smoked Malekith, who was in possession of an infinity stone,

Thor didn't exactly smoke Malekith. They were stalemating each other and Thor's best attacks were doing minimal damage to the Elf. He only won that fight by using those devices from Jane and Selvig. And even then, prolonged exposure to the Aether KO'd him.

My money's on Hela. She couldn't be bothered with the stone she came across in Odin's vault.

That's because the Tesseract doesn't give you more power; it just creates portals. Hela didn't have any need for that at that point given that she still had access to the Bifrost.

I can't see Hela beating Ronan with the Stone. They explicitly stated in GOTG that if Ronan touched the ground with his hammer Xandar would go bye-bye. Granted, he might not be as powerful with the stone as the Celestial, but if he can even produce a quarter of the damage output that Eson was, that would still annihilate Hela.

I also just noticed a potential plot hole in Ragnarok: if Hela had the Tesseract in Asgard's vault, why didn't she use that to travel from one realm to another when she lost access to the Bifrost?

 

[BigThor]

We already had a Ronan with Power Stone vs Hela battle and Hela won (easily).

 

[Batmannerism]

We already had a Ronan with Power Stone vs Hela battle and Hela won (easily).

So we did ! How could I forget ?

 

[Finarfiniel]

I also just noticed a potential plot hole in Ragnarok: if Hela had the Tesseract in Asgard's vault, why didn't she use that to travel from one realm to another when she lost access to the Bifrost?

That's not a plot hole and Hela never lost access to the Bifrost. Gungnir, the spear of Odin which Hela has in her possession throughout Ragnarok can also open the Bifrost (Loki does as such in the first Thor movie), and Hela no doubt knows that seeing as she is Odin's daughter and was his right hand for centuries before her imprisonment. The point isn't that Hela needs Heimdall's sword to open the Bifrost, it's that she can't have a rebellious faction running around behind her back with that very powerful sword. She's simply cleaning house before she moves on with her plans to conquer other realms, as any half competent ruler would.

Anyway, to answer the actual question of this thread, Valkyrie would win against Drax easily. She's not just your average Asgardian, she was once one of the most elite warriors of Asgard and has the crazy strength and fighting skills and ability to match. She even managed to survive against Hela for more than five seconds which proves how strong and durable she is. She'd pound Drax into the ground.

 

[Fosterson]

That's not a plot hole and Hela never lost access to the Bifrost. Gungnir, the spear of Odin which Hela has in her possession throughout Ragnarok can also open the Bifrost (Loki does as such in the first Thor movie), and Hela no doubt knows that seeing as she is Odin's daughter and was his right hand for centuries before her imprisonment. The point isn't that Hela needs Heimdall's sword to open the Bifrost, it's that she can't have a rebellious faction running around behind her back with that very powerful sword. She's simply cleaning house before she moves on with her plans to conquer other realms, as any half competent ruler would.

If that's the case, then why did they make such a big deal of Heimdall stealing the sword? And Hela was absolutely going to leave Asgard earlier in the movie, when she marches her army up the bridge only to discover the sword missing. If she wasn't going to leave then, why did she bother marching hundreds of henchmen up to the Bifrost Chamber?

Heimdall doesn't pose a threat to Hela. She'd kill him with ease. And there was no "rebellious faction". They were a bunch of terrified civilians. All of Asgard's warriors were dead and there was no threat to her rule. Furthermore, Heimdall's sword isn't that powerful. Aside from opening the Bifrost, it doesn't do anything that a regular Asgardian blade can't do. It definitely isn't in the same league as Mjolnir or Gungnir.

In any case, Hela could leave Fenris behind to guard her throne while she was off conquering the other realms. Heimdall wouldn't stand a chance against the big wolf.

 

[Finarfiniel]

If that's the case, then why did they make such a big deal of Heimdall stealing the sword? And Hela was absolutely going to leave Asgard earlier in the movie, when she marches her army up the bridge only to discover the sword missing. If she wasn't going to leave then, why did she bother marching hundreds of henchmen up to the Bifrost Chamber?

Heimdall doesn't pose a threat to Hela. She'd kill him with ease. And there was no "rebellious faction". They were a bunch of terrified civilians. All of Asgard's warriors were dead and there was no threat to her rule. Furthermore, Heimdall's sword isn't that powerful. Aside from opening the Bifrost, it doesn't do anything that a regular Asgardian blade can't do. It definitely isn't in the same league as Mjolnir or Gungnir.

In any case, Hela could leave Fenris behind to guard her throne while she was off conquering the other realms. Heimdall wouldn't stand a chance against the big wolf.

And once again you're entirely missing the point and trying to put words in my mouth. I never said that Hela wasn't planning to leave Asgard, I never said that Heimdall poses a threat to Hela, and I never said that his sword is as powerful as Mjolnir or Gungnir. Please point out to me exactly where I said any of these things?

Again, Hela wasn't a fool. She was clearly intelligent and was once the leader of Asgard's armies, therefore she was a military strategist and would think as such. Any ruler worth their salt would know that you don't try and expand your empire until everything is secure on the home front. Heimdall was very clearly rebelling against Hela's rule, secretly in the background the only way he knew how, by rescuing terrified civilians and leading them to that secret stronghold in the woods to hold them there whilst Thor figured out how to get back to Asgard. Therefore they were a rebellious faction because they were actively resisting her rule, it's not rocket science. Heimdall having the sword is a big deal because it's one of only two known artifacts in Asgard (Gungnir being the other) that can open the Bifrost. Hela would not want that sword in the hands of the enemy whilst she's off conquering worlds because what would then stop Heimdall and the surviving Asgardians from travelling to another realm and attempting to ally themselves with another powerful being or race that could help them take Hela down? It's a loose end. What ruler would want any kind of loose end like that before carrying out their plans for conquest if they can deal with it beforehand? It's not about 'securing her throne' (I doubt Hela even really cares about that, she herself said to Thor that she's 'not a queen', it's all about war, death, conquest and subjugation for Hela rather than queenship), it's about ensuring that rebels aren't running around behind her back with a weapon that can transport themselves off world.

She was definitely planning to leave Asgard with Skurge and her armies in the scene when she marched them up the Rainbow Bridge (she even says as such in the scene directly before that) but that was before she realised that the sword had been stolen. She then ordered Skurge to round up the remaining Asgardians so that she could terrorise them into revealing who had the sword.

It's all there in the movie, it's not a plot hole.

 

[Fosterson]

And once again you're entirely missing the point and trying to put words in my mouth. I never said that Hela wasn't planning to leave Asgard, I never said that Heimdall poses a threat to Hela, and I never said that his sword is as powerful as Mjolnir or Gungnir. Please point out to me exactly where I said any of these things?

By referring to Heimdall's sword as "powerful", you seemed to be implying that it is more deadly than a regular blade, when it isn't. Heimdall's sword is no better as a weapon than Valkyrie's, or Hela's.

Again, Hela wasn't a fool. She was clearly intelligent and was once the leader of Asgard's armies, therefore she was a military strategist and would think as such. Any ruler worth their salt would know that you don't try and expand your empire until everything is secure on the home front. Heimdall was very clearly rebelling against Hela's rule, secretly in the background the only way he knew how, by rescuing terrified civilians and leading them to that secret stronghold in the woods to hold them there whilst Thor figured out how to get back to Asgard. Therefore they were a rebellious faction because they were actively resisting her rule, it's not rocket science. Heimdall having the sword is a big deal because it's one of only two known artifacts in Asgard (Gungnir being the other) that can open the Bifrost. Hela would not want that sword in the hands of the enemy whilst she's off conquering worlds because what would then stop Heimdall and the surviving Asgardians from travelling to another realm and attempting to ally themselves with another powerful being or race that could help them take Hela down? It's a loose end. What ruler would want any kind of loose end like that before carrying out their plans for conquest if they can deal with it beforehand? It's not about 'securing her throne' (I doubt Hela even really cares about that, she herself said to Thor that she's 'not a queen', it's all about war, death, conquest and subjugation for Hela rather than queenship), it's about ensuring that rebels aren't running around behind her back with a weapon that can transport themselves off world.

Once again, why can't Hela leave Fenris behind to guard the Bifrost Chamber in her absence (much like she did at the end of the movie)? Hela herself doesn't need to be on Asgard to round up a few hundred non-combatants, when she has a Hulk-level super wolf to do that for her.

My guess is that Taika and co. decided to ignore how Loki used Gungnir to activate the Bifrost in Thor 1 and retconned things so that now only Heimdall's sword can activate it. That would be consistent with Wattiti's approach to the rest of the film, which involved dropping or ignoring inconvenient things established in the first two movies. The movie certainly makes a big enough deal out of the sword to make me believe that the writers intended it to be the only way to activate the Bifrost.

 

[Finarfiniel]

By referring to Heimdall's sword as "powerful", you seemed to be implying that it is more deadly than a regular blade, when it isn't. Heimdall's sword is no better as a weapon than Valkyrie's, or Hela's.

Again, you're putting words in my mouth. Powerful doesn't automatically mean 'deadly'. Heimdall's sword is powerful because it opens the Bifrost which is a means of travelling vast distances to other realms and worlds. That's all I meant.

Once again, why can't Hela leave Fenris behind to guard the Bifrost Chamber in her absence (much like she did at the end of the movie)? Hela herself doesn't need to be on Asgard to round up a few hundred non-combatants, when she has a Hulk-level super wolf to do that for her.

Because again you're missing the point. It's not about rounding up Heimdall and the rebels (like you say, they're nothing against her so she'd hardly be worried about them), it's about getting that sword back from them before she leaves Asgard so there's no way they can also possibly travel off world. Fenris is a handy tool, but at the end of the day, he's just a giant wolf (we have no evidence in the movie that he's any more intelligent than a normal wolf) and can hardly be trusted to guard that chamber for any substantial length of time without getting bored and wandering off. It's still a loose thread that any ruler with any intelligence would want to take care of before heading off on a potentially long campaign of empire building.

My guess is that Taika and co. decided to ignore how Loki used Gungnir to activate the Bifrost in Thor 1 and retconned things so that now only Heimdall's sword can activate it. That would be consistent with Wattiti's approach to the rest of the film, which involved dropping or ignoring inconvenient things established in the first two movies. The movie certainly makes a big enough deal out of the sword to make me believe that the writers intended it to be the only way to activate the Bifrost.

You may well be correct, but unless Taika and co decide to address that, we will never know for sure and it's all just baseless speculation on your part. We can only go by the actual events that take place in the film, which is what I'm doing. I'm not saying I'm definitely right, it's just my interpretation.