MCU Fight: Valkyrie Vs Ronan (No Power Stone)

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MCU Fight: Valkyrie Vs Ronan (No Power Stone)

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  1. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    We will be doing VS. battles for the MCU every week and will be using the Winners and Losers to create an accurate power tier list created by some of it's biggest fans (you). So don't forget to VOTE and after voting for a Winner please include a comment on which power tier, both the Winner and Loser should reside within. Also, see below for more details on the characters abilities as well as for a list of available power tiers to choose from.

    Don't forget to put which Tier group you think Valkyrie and Ronan (No Power Stone) belong to in your posts. :up:

    So, without further delay here is this week's match up

    VALKYRIE

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    RONAN

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    VALKYRIE

    - Superhuman Strength: Like all Asgardians, Valkyrie possesses superhuman strength. However, she possesses far greater strength than the average Asgardian as a Warrior Maiden. As the leader of the Valkyries, she is the strongest of the War Maidens. Her strength was great enough that she was the only Valkyrie able to survive Hela's massacre and she later managed to help Thor stalemate her, with a kick managing to slightly make her stumble back and she managed to stab her with enough force to cause her some pain and knock her down so Thor may blast Bifrost Bridge and her down to the ocean. She also managed to overpower Loki and even knock down Hulk in a brief sparring match.

    - Superhuman Durability: Valkyrie's body is much more resistant to physical harm than that of a human. hence, she was able to withstand Hela's mighty attacks, falls from great heights, extreme pressures and temperatures and powerful explosions.

    - Superhuman Speed: Valkyrie can move at high speeds, allowing her to dodge a powerful attack from Hulk, to deflect a wave of projectiles hurled at her by Hela in rapid succession, and to momentarily incapacitate Hela with a sudden jump on the latter.

    - Longevity: Like all Asgardians, Valkyrie ages at a rate that is much slower than that of a human being. Valkyrie is over a thousand years old, but she looks like a young woman by Earth standards.

    - Superhuman Agility: Valkyrie naturally possesses greater agility, dexterity, balance, and body coordination than that of a normal human being, allowing her to easily jump and fall on her feet.

    - Superhuman Stamina: Like all Asgardians, Valkyrie's musculature produces considerably less fatigue toxins during physical activity than that of humans, which allowed her to fight many Berserkers, and even the more powerful Hela herself, without tiring at all.

    - Regenerative Healing Factor: Despite her body's resistance, Valkyrie can be injured like any other Asgardian. However, her metabolism enables her to rapidly regenerate damaged bodily tissue with greater speed and efficiency than that of a human. Similarly, she is unaffected by drinking large amounts of alcohol.

    - Master Combatant: As the leader of the Valkyries, Valkyrie is one of the most powerful warriors of Asgard with immense training and millennia worth of experience in unarmed combat and swordsmanship, which allowed her to overpower and chain up Loki fairly quickly and possibly able to train Hulk for The Contest of Champions, defeat several Berserkers with little effort, and to even aid Thor in fighting against Hela herself to a standstill. In fact, Valkyrie was the only Valkyrie to survive the battle against Hela, whereas her fellow Valkyries who were legendary for being elite Asgardian warriors were massacred by Hela.

    - Mastery Swordswoman: Valkyrie has proven to be an immensely skilled and formidable master swordswoman, managing to defeat several Berserkers, and to fight off Hela with her sword.

    - Dragonfang: The standard issue sword for all the Valkyries.


    RONAN

    - Superhuman Strength: Superhuman Strength: Ronan was known to be among the strongest of the Krees, even being worshipped by some for his great power. Ronan possessed enough strength to easily overpower someone as strong as Drax the Destroyer, even tossing him around like a rag doll and heavily staggering him. His strength was even impressive enough to allow him to survive direct exposure to the Power Stone's power long enough until combining it with his Cosmi-Rod.

    - Superhuman Durability: While not indestructible, Ronan had incredible durability that was well beyond that of a human. He was infazed by Drax the Destroyer's best punches, and was able to withstand the intense power of an Infinity Stone.

    - Regeneration: As with all Kree, Ronan possessed a healing factor which allowed him to recover from injuries in a much shorter timespan than Humans.

    - Superhuman Agility: Despite his massive size, Ronan proved to be incredibly agile, as he was easily able to counter all the hits that Drax, in a drunken state, tried to give him, at least when he chose to do so.

    - Master Combatant:: As a warrior and military figurehead, it is only natural that Ronan would have extensive combat and military training. He had very impressive hand to hand skills, easily countering Drax the Destroyer's hits and defeating him in battle with little effort.

    - Hammer Mastery: Thanks to his training, Ronan is extremely proficient in wielding melee weapons, especially his hammer, the Cosmi-Rod.

    - Cosmi-Rod: Ronan the Accuser was the wielder of the powerful hammer known as the Cosmi-Rod, a large staff-like war hammer. In addition to using it as a melee weapon, he can also fire some sort of force that is capable of snapping a person's neck by twisting their head 180 degrees, as he did to The Other.

    - Kree Armor: Ronan used a technologically advanced battlesuit that enhanced his strength and durability to levels higher than they already were. The Armor was powerful enough not to shatter when shot in the chest plate with the Hadron Enforcer, although Ronan's strength had been considerably increased by this stage.


    *****Below is the list of power tiers to choose from. Please select a power tier for each character doing battle (the characters below in Red are not in any particular order). Be aware both characters can share the same power tier*****

    The character's current statuses below are as follows


    *****NOTE: Characters that are OFFICIAL will always be Placed above characters that are UNOFFICIAL.*****


    Cosmic Tier (cosmic/interdimension level power/presence on a planetary scale, at the minimum)
    Dormammu
    Eson The Searcher with Infinity Stone
    Surtur Prime
    Ego The Living Planet
    Odin
    Doctor Strange (w/ Time Gem)
    Thanos (w/ Filled Infinity Gauntlet)

    Transcendent Tier (City to planetary level power & Cosmic/interdimensional level influence on a local scale?)
    Thanos w/ the Power Stone
    Hela
    Ronan with the Power Stone
    Kurse
    Fenris
    Thor
    Ultron Prime (Vibranium)


    Powerhouse Tier (Beyond top tier, power/interdimensional power on a block to city Level)
    Vision
    Hulk
    Doctor Strange
    Ghost Rider
    Ebony Maw
    Scarlet Witch
    Hulkbuster Iron Man
    The Destroyer
    Abomination
    Cull Obsidian
    Pre-Eternal Flame Surtur
    Malekith (W/ reality gem)
    Ancient One
    Giant Man
    Kaecilius

    Top Tier (Street to block level?)
    Iron Man
    Hogun
    Aldrich Killian
    Loki
    Drax
    Heimdall
    War Machine
    Iron Monger
    Whiplash
    Quake
    Malekith
    Sif
    Fandral
    Volstagg
    Korath The Pursuer
    Groot
    Killgrave
    Yondu
    Lash
    Hive
    Frigga
    Pepper Potts with Extremis
    Mantis
    Skurge
    Korg
    Baron Mordo
    Master Wong
    Corvus Glaive

    Superhuman Tier (Street Level)
    Black Panther
    Captain America
    Gamora
    Star-Lord
    Falcon
    Spiderman
    Winter Soldier
    Vulture
    Red Skull
    Crossbones
    Quicksilver
    Iron Fist
    Luke Cage
    Jessica Jones
    Eric Savin (Extremis Soldier)
    Ellen Brandt (Extremis Soldier)
    Emil Blonsky (Super Soldier)
    Madame Gao
    Mr. Hyde
    Slingshot
    Aida
    Raina
    Deathlok
    The Patriot
    Carl Creed the Absorbing Man
    Lorelei
    Nebula
    Miek
    Ant Man
    Yellow Jacket
    Proxima Midnight
    Erik Killmonger
    Ulysses Klaue

    Street Tier (non super human, agent level)
    Daredevil
    Black Widow
    Okoye
    Rocket Racoon
    Hawkeye
    Elektra
    Punisher
    Coleen Wing
    Batroc the Leaper
    Shocker
    Kingpin
    Nobu
    Diamondback
    Bakuto
    Peggy Carter
    Sharon Carter Agent 13
    Dum Dum Dugan
    Mocking Bird
    Maria Hill
    Misty Knight
    The Punisher
    Nick Fury
    Phil Coulson
    Zemo
    Jig Saw
    M'Baku
    Shuri
     
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  2. Docker2.0

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    Going Ronan. He seems pretty tough even without the power stone.
     
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  3. HammerDown

    HammerDown High Tide Or Low Tide

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    I choose Ronan too. He was powerful enough to hold an Infinity Stone...
     
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  4. Docker2.0

    Docker2.0 Watchin' you!

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    And I completely forgot about that, strangely enough. Only confirms it.
     
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  5. Thör-El

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    I vote Valkyrie but it would be a good fight.

    Valkyrie's the last survivor of Asgard's most elite warriors, essentially the closest thing a race of Gods had to special forces.
    • She had Loki (a guy who could casually overpower Captain America, gave a morals on Thor trouble and took a beating from Hulk) totally outclassed in a knife fight
    • She was Hulk's sparring partner on Sakaar.
    • She tore through 20+ undead Asgardian berserkers solo without a scratch
    • She took out multiple mid-flight spaceships by leaping between them with nothing but a sword
    • She survived a fight with Hela, including parrying her swords and recovering from a beating (every Asgardian has a healing factor) to impale her from behind.

    When you take away the power stone, Ronan's main feat is that he curbstomped Drax with vastly superior strength and speed. Admittedly Drax was drunk at the time but I don't think it would have made much difference and curbstomping a guy who has some great physical feats of his own (beating a weaker Kree, tearing apart Kyln prison drones, surviving being dragged behind a spaceship when it crashed through a forest) is impressive. I suspect Valkyrie could curbstomp Drax as well though so I don't think it settles anything.

    My guess is Ronan might have the edge in strength and they probably have comparable durability but Valkyrie has the edge in speed and skill and she can end this with one well placed hit from her sword.

    Loki's held the mind stone and the space stone. He still lost to Valkyrie.
     
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  6. Chesterfield

    Chesterfield Well-Known Member

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  7. Spider-Fan

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    We never really saw Ronan have to fight before he had the stone. We saw him trash Drax, but I don't think Drax beats Valkyrie. But given he can hold a stone for as long as he did and not die, I go with Ronan.
     
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  8. Docker2.0

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    He threw Drax around like a ragdoll and that's without the power stone. I think Valkyrie would beat Drax but nowhere near the ease that Ronan did.
     
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  9. HammerDown

    HammerDown High Tide Or Low Tide

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    I would say that Loki didn't held any infinity stone.

    He held a weapon/staff given to him with the mind stone in it which is different. And he also held the Tesseract which is a container for the space stone as the orb was for the power stone. Thanos broke the tesseract and held the space stone, Ronan broke the orb and soaked all the might of the power stone...
     
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  10. Spider-Fan

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    Correct. Loki held objects containing those respective stones. He didn't actually have the space and mind stones in his hand. What he did was closer to holding the orb containing the power stone
     
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  11. Thör-El

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    Honestly, I think the whole "Ronan wielded an Infinity Stone...." point is a poor indicator of how well Ronan would do in a fight against Vallkyrie anyway.

    a) We have no idea whether Valkyrie would/wouldn't be able to wield an Infinity Stone.
    b) The rules on who can handle Infinity Stones seem complex and not just based on physical strength/durability.
    • Malekith absorbed the reality stone but I don't think anyone here would argue Malekith is stronger/more durable than Valkyrie.
    • Star Lord held the power stone alone for 30 seconds (and for longer with Gamora/Drax/Rocket's help), Ronan held it alone for about 20 seconds (then slammed it into his hammer) and Carina lasted about 5 seconds. Those times don't seem to correlate with those characters' strength/durability.
    • Loki held the Tesseract without issue whereas Red Skull lost control and was thrown across a galaxy for touching it. We have no idea whether this was down to Loki's innate power, his sorcery, his mental discipline or something else.
    • Thanos held the space, soul and mind stones in his bare hand without issue but whenever he added them to the gauntlet he was visibly in pain for a few seconds.
    • Doctor Strange, Vision, Ultron and Loki have all successfully wielded infinity stones via devices and there doesn't seem to be any correlation between their physical strength/durability and how well they wielded the stones.

    My argument is still that Valkyrie has superior combat feats and that's what matters.
     
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  12. Batmannerism

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    I agree with all the above. However, I think this would be an absolute knock down drag out fight.

    Skill wise Valkyrie has some serious feats - and while Asgsrdian strength and durability is a bit inconsistent she still has some very impressive feats - most importantly she fought Hela and didn't die.

    Ronan is also tough to judge. He was strong, skillful and fast enough to effortlessly deal with Drax, who was armed with knives - while he (Ronan ) was unarmed.

    I doubt the concussion blast from Ronan's hammer would faze Val but I'm confident that her dragonfang sword could inflict mortal injuries on Ronan.

    Terrain wouldn't be much of a factor and even unarmed this would be a great contest.

    However, I suspect that Val has a skill edge and possibly a strength and durability advantage too. Ronan is much crazier than she is, and that counts for a lot in a fight.

    I think this is one of the best and closest match ups so far, but ultimately Valkyrie would come out on top.
     
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  13. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    I accidently voted for Ronan when I meant to vote for Val, I hate using my phone on this site.

    So count my vote for Val so whatever the score ends up just subtract 1 from Ronan and add 1 to Val.
     
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  14. AVEITWITHJAMON

    AVEITWITHJAMON Cloud kicks ass

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    Valkyrie is a tough one, but I am still giving this to Ronan. For me Drax is powerful enough to fight and survive against an Asgardian warrior, even one as skilled as Valkyrie. And Ronan beat the living crap out of Drax while being unarmed and with minimal effort. In fact Drax, though drunk, would have died if not for Groot.

    So yeah, also, The Other was capable of hurting Loki in TA, Ronan finished him off in seconds. So definitely Ronan for me.
     
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  15. Flash525

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    The fact that Ronan can hold a stone and not die doesn't make him any stronger than the next guy; Quill could hold the stone and he's practically human, so does this mean he could have beaten Valkyrie too? I think not.

    Ronan is a brute. Valkyrie has skill. Thor would wipe the floor with Ronan, and Valkyrie, as a fellow Asgardian, I believe would also best Ronan in a fight. I'm putting Drax's failure down to the fact he was drunk and emotional, though he never does seem to land desired hits - not against Ronan, and not against Thanos either.
     
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    Got to be Valkryrie for me.

    In terms of there overall skills, strength, speed, durability and weapons she gets my vote.


    Strength: Like many have said Ronan pre-powerstone is hard to get a reading of his real upper power level. He made mince meat of a drunken Drax and it looked like it would have went the same way even if he was sober.

    Someone let me know if im forgetting someone but I think he's the only real pre-powerstone feat we have? I think Valkyrie takes Drax as well.

    Durability: I don't like using the powerstone as a durability feat because I don't think its the best indicator of that characters overall ability to take damage but I still have to give this one to Ronan. He survived being tanked with a shot from the Hadron enforcer, getting hit at high speed by the Milano, and Valkryie's style was more skill based meaning she don't take damage to give damage.

    Speed: Valkyrie was shown to be faster than Loki, and also showed off incredible agility when taking down pursing ships of the Grandmaster when they were escaping to the Devil's Anus.

    Combat Skill: Would say that she has the better overall combat feats as well. Fought, disarmed and could have killed Loki. Fought Hela and didn't die.

    Weaponry: Would even say her weaponry is more lethal. Asguardian's are known for being rather durable so I think she could take enough shots from that hammer of his before landing something more lethal with dragonfang.


    Strength: Ronan
    Speed/Agility: Valkyrie
    Durability: Ronan
    Combat Skill: Valkyrie
    Weaponry: Valkyrie


    3/2 to win for Valkyrie
     
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  17. HammerDown

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    Peter Quill was half celestial. That's why he could also hold on to the stone.
     
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  18. Flash525

    Flash525 The Scarlet Messenger

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    Gamora, Drax, Rocket and Groot aren't though, yet they (somehow) shared the load.

    I guess you can overlook Groot as he held Stormbreaker (if there's a reasons for that), but Gamora, Drax and Rocket shouldn't have been able to share that load.
     
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    I would say that they "shared the load" because a half celestial was doing most of the heavy lifting.
     
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  20. BigThor

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    Groot didn't really hold Stormbreaker, once it fully came together it started falling to the ground before he cut off his arm.
     
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  21. Flash525

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    They may not have an equal share of the load, but they still shared it. That much seemed obvious to me with their purple glow and broken skin.

    He held it for long enough, but I don't have a problem with it; Stormbreaker isn't Mjolnir and may not require the wielder to be worthy in order to hold it.
     
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  22. BigThor

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    Groot held Stormbreaker in a similar sense as Quicksilver held Mjolnir in Age of Ultron.
     
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    We don't have any evidence Stormbreaker has the same worthy requirement Mjolnir did. I would agree Groot really didn't hold it, as the weapon more or less was not complete when he got the pieces. But that being said, the evidence of Stormbreaker requiring the holder be worthy isn't there. But Thor did say someone trying to wield a powerful weapon like that would probably die.
     
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  24. Flash525

    Flash525 The Scarlet Messenger

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    We'll agree to disagree. :)

    He's probably right, Stormbreaker does seem to have a direct link to Thor, unlike Mjolnir (maybe?); in any case, Mjolnir only required someone worthy because Odin deemed it so. If Mjolnir forever and always could only be wielded by the Worthy, then Hela wouldn't have ever been able to pick it up.

    I can't remember where it was specifically now, but someone reminded me recently (I think on these boards somewhere) that Mjolnir only required a worthy holder back in Thor 1 when Odin placed that enchantment(?) on the hammer, and Thor had to earn it by becoming worthy.

    They're very different weapons.
     
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  25. Spider-Fan

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    Mjolnir still had the worthy requirement after Thor 1. In AoU, remember the party scene. No one could lift it. Until Vision later in the film. Mjolnir in the Asgardian pictures was shown to have had Mjolnir before Thor. So he past connection maybe helped her hold in that regard.
     
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