MCU Fight: War Machine Vs. Heimdall

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MCU Fight: War Machine Vs. Heimdall

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  1. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    We will be doing VS. battles for the MCU every week and will be using the Winners and Losers to create an accurate power tier list created by some of it's biggest fans (you). So don't forget to VOTE and after voting for a Winner please include a comment on which power tier, both the Winner and Loser should reside within. Also, see below for more details on the characters abilities as well as for a list of available power tiers to choose from.

    Don't forget to put which Tier group you think War Machine and Heimdall belong to in your posts. :up:

    So, without further delay here is this week's match up

    WAR MACHINE Vs. HEIMDALL

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    WAR MACHINE

    - Flight: The armor, like the Iron Man Armor, can reach speeds as Mach 3 in moments. It is equipped with non-weapons grade repulsor based flight stabilizers that theoretically reach speeds of Mach 8 similar to the Mark IV's flight stabilizers. It was adequate to keep up with the Mark VI during the battle over the Stark Expo and catch Iron Man off-guard and tackled him into the Oracle building.

    - Superhuman Strength: When utilizing the armor, it increases Rhodes' natural physical abilities to superhuman levels, chief among them is his strength. Rhodes, inside his armor, is capable of overpowering normal humans and tear unmanned battle drones with ease. It also allows him to go toe-to-toe with Stark in his armor. By his own claim, Rhodes can lift a tank with his armor.

    - Superhuman Reflexes: The armor, like Stark's, has motors for movement. It is extremely fast and responsive in flight, and during combat. The armor can react faster than naturally possible.

    - Armor Systems: The armor has remote assistance, and a holographic HUD, with cellphone and computer connections in the helmet. The armor is powered by a miniature arc reactor and has an on-board generator for emergencies. The armors also have variable control surfaces for active flight control. The Hull Pressure Transducers are on board sensors that track external pressure based on altitude, speed, and temperature, and adjust internal settings appropriately.

    - Self-Contained Life-Support System and Environmental Protection: The armor can be sealed for operations in vacuum or underwater, providing its own life support, and is shielded against radiation.

    - Superhuman Durability: The armor is made of a solar charged carbon-composite-based external plating armor and has a chestplate protecting the arc reactor. It withstood the full-on fight with the Hammer Drones and their ammo unloaded on both him and Stark while in their respective suits. It was able to withstand damage done on it by Vanko in his own suit and protects the wearer from the effects of extreme g-forces. During the Clash of the Avengers, his armor resisted being at the epicentre of an explosion, Falcon's weapons, Giant Man's fists, being thrown into an airplane and Captain America's shield all with superficial damage.

    Miniature Stark Sonic Cannon: It can emit sound waves that will stun the target for weeks. Rhodes has only used this twice, once on a group of the Ten Rings' allies, and once on Scarlet Witch and Ant-Man.

    - Gauntlets: The armor's armbraces each mount an underslung sub-machine gun.

    Repulsors: A particle beam weapon in the palm gauntlets that can repel physical and energy-based attacks. When combined with an attack from another repulsor, it can create an energy shockwave that decimate a small area like when he and Stark both fired their repulsors at each other and the resulting event destroyed much of Stark's house.

    Unibeam: A more powerful version of the palm repulsors mounted on the chest. In addition to the physical capabilities and various weaponry it already possesses, it also utilizes laser guided munitions.

    - Mini-Gun: A 7.62-mm minigun is attached to the back of the suit on a swivel mount and typically fires over the right shoulder. It is governed by an automated targeting system and can track targets independently of the suit's wearer, including those targets to the rear. The ammunition feed for this weapon is a belt feed from the rear torso.


    HEIMDALL

    - Superhuman Strength: Like all Asgardians, Heimdall is superhumanly strong and possesses greater physical strength than the average Asgardian male. He was able to break out from being frozen by Loki with the Casket of Ancient Winters, to lift a Frost Giant with his sword, to destroy a Dark Elf Harrow using only his sword, and to defeat several Berserkers with his sword. However, Heimdall was still no match for Fenris, with the former showing visible signs of fear when cornered by the massive beast on the Rainbow Bridge.

    - Superhuman Speed: Heimdall can move at extreme speeds, with him thus managing to chase a flying Dark Elf Harrow, and quickly destroy it.

    - Superhuman Durability: Heimdall's body is much denser and much more resistant to physical harm than the body of a human being. He was capable of being frozen by Loki and showing no signs of injuries afterward.

    - Superhuman Stamina: His musculature produces considerably less fatigue toxins during physical activity than the musculature of humans.
    Regenerative Healing Factor: Despite his superhuman durability, Heimdall can be injured. However, his physiology allows him to heal at an accelerated rate.

    - Longevity: Like all Asgardians, Heimdall ages at a rate that is much slower than that of a human being. Even though he is over one thousand years old, he still looks like a young man by Earth standards.

    - Omni-Senses: Heimdall possesses tremendous sensory capabilities far beyond that of any Asgardians, which made Odin apoint him the Gatekeeper to Asgard. His sight itself extends to all of the Nine Realms, and his hearing is so sharp and precise that he heard the Warriors Three and Lady Sif conspiring against Loki from his post. Heimdall is able to hear other Asgardians calling him from other world and realms, such as Midgard, Jotunheim, Vanaheim, or Sakaar. When he uses his incredible perception, his eyes turn bright orange. Indeed, Heimdall himself claimed to see 10 trillion souls from Asgard.[3] Despite his phenomenal ability, however, his senses have been deceived to a degree by Loki and the Dark Elves, as he was unable to see into Svartalfheim.

    - Transdimensional Communication: When Heimdall was called upon by Thor from Sakaar, he was able to allow Thor to temporarily see his own surroundings on Asgard, and to thus communicate with him as if they were in the same place. When doing so, Thor's eyes turned orange like Heimdall's.

    - Dark Magic: Heimdall possesses dark magic which allows him to channel an esoteric energy to summon the Bifrost and transport others across the universe, which he used to teleport Hulk to Earth when confronted by Thanos and the Black Order in order to have him warn Earth due to the Rainbow Bridge being destroyed.

    - Master Combatant: Heimdall is a very capable combatant, having received training in swordsmanship. While normally using his sword to open the Bifrost Bridge, when using it in combat, Heimdall is powerful enough to defeat two Frost Giants when in a weakened state, an entire Dark Elf Harrow with relative ease when at his prime, as well as a horde of Berserkers.

    - Sword Mastery: Heimdall is a superior swordsman, capable of taking down multiple Frost Giants and Berserkers.

    - Hofund: Heimdall mainly uses his sword for opening the Bifrost Bridge, but the sword is also powerful enough to pierce the skin of a Frost Giant and the hull of a Dark Elven ship.


    *****Below is the list of power tiers to choose from. Please select a power tier for each character doing battle (the characters below in Red are not in any particular order). Be aware both characters can share the same power tier*****

    The character's current statuses below are as follows


    BLUE CHARACTERS = OFFICIAL FINAL PLACEMENT FOR CHARACTERS
    GREEN CHARACTERS = OFFICIAL TRANSITIONAL PLACMENT FOR CHARACTERS FIGHTING UP THE TIER LIST
    ORANGE CHARACTERS = OFFICIAL TRANSITIONAL PLACMENT FOR CHARACTERS FIGHTING DOWN THE TIER LIST
    RED CHARACTERS = UNOFFICIAL SPECULATIVE PLACEMENT FOR CHARACTERS


    *****NOTE: Characters that are OFFICIAL will always be Placed above characters that are UNOFFICIAL.*****


    Cosmic Tier (cosmic/interdimension level power/presence on a planetary scale, at the minimum)
    Dormammu
    Eson The Searcher with Infinity Stone
    Surtur Prime
    Ego The Living Planet
    Odin
    Doctor Strange (w/ Time Gem)
    Thanos (w/ Filled Infinity Gauntlet)

    Transcendent Tier (City to planetary level power & Cosmic/interdimensional level influence on a local scale?)
    Thanos w/ the Power Stone
    Hela
    Ronan with the Power Stone
    Kurse
    Fenris
    Thor
    Ultron Prime (Vibranium)


    Powerhouse Tier (Beyond top tier, power/interdimensional power on a block to city Level)
    Vision
    Hulk
    Doctor Strange
    Ghost Rider
    Ebony Maw
    Scarlet Witch
    Hulkbuster Iron Man
    Abomination
    Cull Obsidian
    Pre-Eternal Flame Surtur
    Malekith (W/ reality gem)
    Ancient One
    The Destroyer Armor
    Giant Man
    Kaecilius

    Top Tier (Street to block level?)
    Valkyrie
    Iron Man
    Aldrich Killian
    Drax the Destroyer
    Ronan
    Loki
    Iron Monger
    Whiplash
    Quake
    Malekith
    Sif
    Hogun
    Fandral
    Volstagg
    Korath The Pursuer
    Groot
    Killgrave
    Yondu
    Lash
    Hive
    Frigga
    Pepper Potts with Extremis
    Mantis
    Skurge
    Korg
    Baron Mordo
    Master Wong
    Corvus Glaive

    Superhuman Tier (Street Level)
    Black Panther
    Captain America
    Starlord
    Gamora
    Spiderman
    Winter Soldier
    Vulture
    Red Skull
    Crossbones
    Falcon
    Quicksilver
    Iron Fist
    Luke Cage
    Jessica Jones
    Eric Savin (Extremis Soldier)
    Ellen Brandt (Extremis Soldier)
    Emil Blonsky (Super Soldier)
    Madame Gao
    Mr. Hyde
    Slingshot
    Aida
    Raina
    Deathlok
    The Patriot
    Carl Creed the Absorbing Man
    Lorelei
    Nebula
    Miek
    Ant Man
    Yellow Jacket
    Proxima Midnight
    Erik Killmonger
    Ulysses Klaue

    Street Tier (non super human, agent level)
    Daredevil
    Black Widow
    Okoye
    Rocket Racoon
    Hawkeye
    Elektra
    Punisher
    Coleen Wing
    Batroc the Leaper
    Shocker
    Kingpin
    Nobu
    Diamondback
    Bakuto
    Peggy Carter
    Sharon Carter Agent 13
    Dum Dum Dugan
    Mocking Bird
    Maria Hill
    Misty Knight
    The Punisher
    Nick Fury
    Phil Coulson
    Zemo
    Jig Saw
    M'Baku
    Okoye
    Shuri
     
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  2. Surfer

    Surfer Sentinel of the Spaceways

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    A close Match, but I think that Rhodey's fire power can take out an Asgardian that is not Thor or Odin, and I think that War Machine has the advantage of distance attacks, where he stays out of Heimdall's reach.

    At least thats how I see it.

    Surfer
     
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  3. Docker2.0

    Docker2.0 Watchin' you!

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    I got Heimdall. I think it goes pretty much as the original Thor/Ironman fight went in the first Avengers movie but Heimdall not holding back. War Machine doesn't have as wide of variety of attacks as IronMan does. He's straight up bullets and missiles. Heimdall has shown to be one of the strongest Asgardians as well as one of the most skilled. Heimdall got this!
     
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  4. Batmannerism

    Batmannerism Super-unknown

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    Very much depends on terrain. WM has a huge movement advantage and ranged attacks. Would that be enough to take down Heimdall ? An all out assault with bullets missiles and repulsors could probably injure Heimdall, but once/if they got into close quarters the bifrost sword would make short work of WM's armour.

    Given that external factors are such a big consideration, I think its too close to call. In an open space, probably WM, just. Indoors or in close quarters easily Heimdall.
     
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  5. PrehistoricDog

    PrehistoricDog Futurism

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    Heimdall's far too durable to be taken out by War Machine's arsenal.
     
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  6. AVEITWITHJAMON

    AVEITWITHJAMON Cloud kicks ass

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    Close one, but got to give this to Heimdall. Bulletts did nothing to Loki in Avengers, and as far as I know Asgardians are more durable than Frost Giants. Heimdall is also stronger than your average Asgardian and his sword is some weapon. If Haimdall gets close, he chops WM in half.
     
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  7. Flash525

    Flash525 The Scarlet Messenger

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    Who voted for Rhodey? :loco:

    Rhodes would run out of ammo long before he landed a successful hit on Heimdall. Heimdall for the win - obviously!
     
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  8. jolldan

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    Got to go with Heimdall.

    Can't really think of anything Rhodes has that could deal a fatal blow to Heimdall where as I feel Heimdall just has to get hold of Rhodes once.

    Rhodey's best shot would be whatever this was (sorry best gif I could find lol)
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    But it seems too slow to cause Heimdall any concern.
     
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  9. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    Remember Heimdall has a long ranged attack, the Bifrost beam.
     
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  10. Surfer

    Surfer Sentinel of the Spaceways

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    I voted for Rhodey. War Machine is not just Gun Fire, he has explosive weapons that can cause Massive amounts of Damage. Again I feel like War Machine can fly out of reach. If he found the explosive weapons were not enough to hurt Heimdall (which I feel they are) then he could just lead him into a situation where he could bury him underneath a mountain rubble. As for the Bi-Frost Beam, I always viewed that as rapid transportation and not a weapon.

    Anyways thats how I see it, but that doesn't necessarilly mean I am right as most people seem to so far be agreeing with your perspective.

    Surfer
     
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  11. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    The Bifrost could rapidly transport Rhodey to the sun or anywhere else he wanted to though.

    I'm suprised this battle isn't a lot closer, I thought for sure it was going to be a tooth and nails type of fight.
     
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  12. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Well-Known Member

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    Agree. Heimdell just transfers wm away to somewhere he can't survive.

    Take that away, wm flies up and bombards him. Then it's whether he can survie the bombardment.
     
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  13. Jenocide

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    That's what I was thinking. Just teleport him a zillion miles away. Done, son.


    Not even really a "fight." Nothing against War Machine. I like him. I just don't see what bullets do against dark magic.
     
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  14. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    Heimdall could also throw Hofun at War Machine and slice him or drop him while he's in mid-air.
     
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    This is one of those battles that realistically would be a stalemate. Heimdall has the strength/durability advantage and could probably one shot Rhodey in close range. War Machine has the speed/flight advantage and he knows enough about Asgardians to keep his distance.

    If they have to keep fighting until someone wins though then it's going to be Heimdall. As soon as War Machine gets in close and takes a hit it's over.
     
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  16. HammerDown

    HammerDown High Tide Or Low Tide

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    I vote War Machine.

    Heimdall can be injured by regular asgardian swords as seen in Ragnarok when he faced the zombie asgardians on the bridge. One of the zombies cut through his leg with a sword, made him kneel and when he was about to be killed by another zombie, Korg showed up and saved him. Heimdall seems to have a durability on the level of Hogun. Regular asgardians are somewhat durable but have nowhere near the durability of Thor.

    War Machine as seen in IW has enough fire power to wipe out a huge area laying waste to everything in it. Then he can still continue to unload all of his firepower nonstop for a long while. He took out a massive amount of aliens in Wakanda. Also he has a massive advantage in his flight capability, speed, long distance attacks... War Machine can attack from a distance and maneuver with ease and speed if needed. There is no need whatsoever to come close to Heimdall.

    Heimdall has nothing for War Machine while he is in the air. The "Bifrost" beam is not a ranged attack. Not in my view at least. As said previously it's a mean of transportation and i don't even take it into consideration in battles like these because if one can use the excuse that Heimdall can transport anyone to a deadly environment then he has to be rated as one of the most powerful characters in the MCU... I just don't think it makes sense at all. It's like saying that he is more powerful than Hela, Fenris, Hulk, Doctor Strange, Thanos... because he can transport them wherever he wants. It doesn't work like that.
     
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  17. HammerDown

    HammerDown High Tide Or Low Tide

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    Have we seen Heimdall doing such a thing in the MCU? Throwing his giant sword up in the air for long distances? No.

    We can see in how Heimdall maneuvers his giant sword that it is not easy feet. He isn't the fastest with that thing and against skilled adversaries for example he would have a problem. War Machine doesn't need to get close to take him out. If a sword is able to cut through Heimdall and make him kneel then all of War Machine's firepower should be more than enough to deal with him.

    If we really consider Heimdall using the Bifrost in that capability then he supposedly could do that to basically everyone making him one of the most powerful beings in the MCU.
     
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  18. BigThor

    BigThor God of Thunder

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    Heimdall wielded Hofun pretty easily imo and also he was cut by an Asgardian sword that has no bearing on what earthly aummo could do to him. It was shown in Agents of Shield that an earthly knife bends against the skin of a regular Asgardian, while Asgardian knives can even pierce Thor.

    Also that "cut" didn't even break Heimdall's skin, there was not a single drop of blood or scar left.


    He already did it though, to the Hulk.
     
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  19. Kahran Ramsus

    Kahran Ramsus Well-Known Member

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    I went with Rhodey mostly because we haven't seen much from Heimdall in the MCU. Generally speaking, Heimdall should be super powerful and easily destroy War Machine but in the films he's shown none of that.
     
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  20. HammerDown

    HammerDown High Tide Or Low Tide

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    Agents of Shield is not part of the MCU.
    It's a PG13 movie so the lack of much blood and lacerations isn't a big surprise. We don't need everything being spelled out for us to understand what was going to happen to Heimdall in that moment if Korg didn't showed up.

    We are not seriously discussing that a normal asgardian sword can deliver more damage than the total arsenal from War Machine. I mean come on seriously. It's not only thousands of bullets but high powered ammunition, explosive rounds... Once again Heimdall is not Thor. Their durability is miles apart.

    He used a last resource thing using the dark magic to open the Bifrost and transport Hulk. Again for me the Bifrost is a means of transportation not really a weapon. Heimdall more powerful than the Hulk? Come on man.
     
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    BigThor God of Thunder

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    Okay
     
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    War Machine's Anti-Personnel weapons will be useless but he still has repulsors, unibeam, & rockets besides heimdall has shown nothing to make us think he is considerably above the combat level of the warriors 3 so I say Rhodes takes it 9/10
     
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  23. Thör-El

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    Where'd you get that idea? Agents of Shield is definitely part of the MCU.

    I think it's a fair argument that Asgardian weapons do a hell of a lot more damage than most earthly ones. Hell, we've seen Asgardian swords take out spaceships on multiple occasions.
    Even Thor was vulnerable to Loki's daggers/Hela's swords whereas he came out of fights with Iron Man and Hulk without a scratch and has tanked far bigger explosions than War Machine can dish out. Even Hela was stabbed through the gut by a random Asgardian soldier.

    Sure, Heimdall isn't Thor but he's clearly one of the most powerful Asgardians. Being frozen by the Casket of Ancient Winters couldn't even knock him out/restrain him for long and he was able to fight as soon as he broke out whereas it was instant death for random Asgardian soldiers. I think we can scale from Valkyrie/Loki/Sif/Warriors Three etc to confirm he's bulletproof, can shrug off Iron Man repulsors without a scratch and take a beating from Hulk (Loki), can survive powerful explosions, hits from Hela and incredible falls (Valkyrie) and that he has a serious healing factor/skin that mortal blades can't even scratch (Agents of Shield).
     
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  24. HammerDown

    HammerDown High Tide Or Low Tide

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    MCU = Marvel Cinematic Universe
    AoS is a by-product of the MCU. I don't consider it part of the MCU.

    An asgardian sword might do more damage than earthly weapons but one sword can't do more damage than the hole arsenal at the disposal of War Machine. One normal asgardian sword was able to pierce through Heimdall and put him in a vulnerable position. Another comparison was how Heimdall took on 3/4 asgardian zombies and was about to be killed, when Skurge with a pair of M16's was able to dispatch dozens of asgardian enemies...

    Also we have seen Hofun(Heimdall sword) and Dragonfang(Valkyrire's sword) tear through alien spaceships. These are not random asgardian swords. Loki's daggers are also no regular daggers...

    Thor's durability can't be compared with that of regular asgardians or even Heimdal, Valkyrie, The Warrior's Three... Thor is a god, the son of the all powerful Odin... Thor and Hela's durability is miles apart from those of the other asgardians. Hela was stabbed through the gut and just kept on fighting like it was nothing while Heimdall felt the superficial cut to the leg and was immediately in trouble.

    We can't confirm that he is bulletproof because there is no evidence of that. We can't just take Thor, Hela and even Loki and objectively put Heimdall in the same ballpark durability wise. War Machine arsenal is not just regular bullets either he has an immense payload of all types of ammunition. Highly destructive ammunition...
     
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    HammerDown High Tide Or Low Tide

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    War Machine's arsenal.

    War Hammer: A non-lethal melee weapon. It looks like an energy emitting collapsible baton. It is able to emit concussive force on impact. It was stored in the right side of the armor's back but was destroyed in the Clash of the Avengers.

    Machine Guns: Two small machine guns are stored in the anterior forearms. Two dual barrel machine guns are stored in the posterior forearms.

    Missile Launchers: The armor was multiple Missile Launchers. Launchers each stored with three miniature guided missiles are located in the two shoulder harnesses and another retractable launcher with six other miniature missiles at the back of the right shoulder. A small portion of this formidable arsenal was capable of completely destroying a bus.

    Back Machine Gun: Like the War Machine Mark II, the Mark III is equipped with a long, thin, rifled gun mounted on the shoulder. Improving over the Mark II's double-barreled gun, the Mark III's gun has four barrels. Unlike with Mark II, the Mark III has no V-track for the Machine gun to slide on with the left shoulder for the machine gun and the right for the War Hammer and missile launchers.

    Stark Sonic Cannon: The armor was equipped with the Stark Sonic Cannon on the back of the right hand, which can release high-frequency pulses.

    Repulsors: The War Machine Armor MK III has repulsors in the palms.

    Unibeam: A more powerful version of the hand repulsors mounted on the chest.

    (The bombing runs used in IW...)

    War Machine can unload most all of this and more from the distance on Heimdal without the asgardian being able to do anything about it.
     
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