MCU Tag Team Battle: M'Baku, Agent 13 & Melinda May Vs Emil Blonksy (Super Soldier)

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MCU Tag Team Battle: M'Baku, Agent 13 & Melinda May Vs Emil Blonksy (Super Soldier)

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  1. M'Baku, Agent 13 & Melinda May

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    This a fun tag team styled MCU battle thread to break up the monotony of our once a week MCU Fights. It can be 2 on 2, 2 on 2 on 1, 3 on 2, or even 3 on 1. Keep in mind this is purely for just fun and doesn't in any way effect our Power Tier. I've also recently added the new option to be able to change your votes after voting incase your change your mind.

    We will now have crossover editions of the tag team battles, including DCEU Universe, Sony, & Fox characters, thanks to my boy PrehistoricDog for the idea :up:

    M'BAKU, AGENT 13, & MELINDA MAY

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    I've got to give it to the team.

    Melinda May's a Black Widow level martial artist/expert marksman who's fought LMDs, Kree and Inhumans before. M'Baku's a skilled enough hand to hand fighter to give Black Panther a serious fight, and he's killed Outriders that have strength way above human level. Agent 13 doesn't have many feats compared to the other two but we know she's a SHIELD trained martial artist/marksman and she'll add to the numbers advantage.

    Before he became Abomination Blonsky was a pretty low level supersoldier and I don't think it's enough. He had low level superhuman agility/speed that let him survive in close proximity to the Hulk for about 30 seconds by dodging Hulk's attacks and he had a healing factor that restored broken bones within a day or so. Offensively we've only seen him use guns, he doesn't have superhuman strength and he doesn't have any hand to hand feats.
     
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    Blonsky with ease. He may not be Captain America strong as a super soldier, but he is still someone who could avoid attacks by the Hulk consistently.
     
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    I think Blonsky has this as well.
     
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    It's a good feat but he only managed it for about 20 seconds, saying he can do it consistently is a bit much. Anyway, Hulk is strong but he's not fast or skilled.
     
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    Hulk is very fast. Skilled, no. But someone like Black Widow is not dodging him that long, either. Not in the open like he was anyway. She only lasted in Avengers as long as she did because she was in tight spaces and hiding. In an open field, she wouldn't have lasted even 20 seconds. Same would apply to the other combatants in this battle.
     
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    MCU Hulk's travel speed (how fast he can run/leap distances) is obviously superhuman but I don't think he has any speed feats in combat and I can't think of a time when he's shown superhuman reflexes.
     
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    He can run at superhuman speeds, therefore his reflexes would also have to be faster. Watch the Hulk in combat scenes, he doesn't hesitate to attack and his attacks come in fast. Remember, Hulk is like a super soldier only amplified heavily.
     
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    Fast travel speed doesn't necessarily mean fast reflexes in combat. Usain Bolt can run 100m in 9.6 but his reflexes for combat would still be far far slower than a world class martial artist like Bruce Lee.

    If you look at the Hulk's fight scenes you'll see he's strong but unskilled and significantly slower than Thor (who dodges him repeatedly despite Hulk's huge reach advantage) and Thanos. As for Hulk's speed vs super soldiers, MCU Cap was able to dodge Thanos blows and land multiple hits before Thanos reacted which is more than Hulk was capable of.

    Don't get me wrong, even though Hulk's not that fast, I agree 20 seconds dodging close quarter attacks from an 8 foot rage monster with 4 foot reach is an impressive feat for Blonsky and I don't think anyone on the team could put that off.

    This fight is three on one though, Blonsky's speed advantage isn't huge and two of his opponents are more skilled than him.
     
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    He doesn't just have a speed advantage though. He's a super soldier. He has a strength advantage, as well. This is something that he couldn't really use as well when fighting the Hulk, but against the people in this fight, he's easily stronger than all 3. He could take each of them out in very few blows.
     
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    Now we're just speculating, Blonsky doesn't have any lifting/striking feats. On the other hand we've seen M'Baku pick up a full grown man with one hand and throw him across the battlefield.

    Blonsky also didn't display any hand to hand skill. On the other hand, M'Baku gave Black Panther a close fight and with his weapons he's able to kill Outriders. Melinda May's SHIELD's top martial artist with a track record of defeating powered opponents including Inhumans, Kree and LMDs.

    Credit where it's due, if we include guns in this fight then Blonsky's feats against Hulk do show he's an expert marksman proficient with multiple weapons. So is Melinda May though.
     
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    M'Baku fought Black Panther as a normal guy, not with the powers of the Black Panther. Not the same feat by any means. Oh, and he lost.

    Do we see Blonsky do any lifting feats? No, but the serum is meant to replicate the super soldier serum Cap has, and Cap does have lifting feats and strength feats. I am not saying Blonsky is Cap's equal, but I think I am not making an illogical conclusion that he would have enhanced strength as well. Melinda is no slouch, for sure. But Blonsky's brief fight against the Hulk impresses me more than anything she has done.
     
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    Sure, but even without powers, T'Challa's still a world class martial artist and it was a close fight. That's a skill feat for M'Baku and considering Blonsky hasn't shown any hand to hand skills, it's worth keeping in mind.

    Since Blonsky's serum was an experimental knock off rather than the same serum that gave Cap his powers, I don't think it's logical to assume Blonsky's strength/speed/agility are in MCU Cap's league.

    All we actually know is that Ross gave Blonsky an experimental super soldier serum and that it gave him low level superhuman speed/agility and a healing factor that let broken bones reset after a day or so. Whether or not he's got a strength advantage here is guesswork.
     
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    The serum he took presented enhanced speed and the regenerative properties Cap's serum possess. Why would it not make him stronger? If it walks like duck...and it talks like duck...it's super soldier serum.

    Let us also not forget that Blonsky was seen as a major get for Ross and crew and that he was a top tier mercenary. Aka, he doesn't suck at fighting either.
     
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    I have a tendency to almost always vote for Blonsky since he's one of my favorite MCU villains and this will be no different. Thanks to his agility and tactical experience, he would be able to put them down easily.
     
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    It was a major plot device that the secret of Erskine's serum died with him and since then attempts to replicate it have been a mixed bag (Blonsky, Hulk, Winter Soldier etc).

    Vita rays and Erskine's super soldier serum turned a malnourished, 5' 4" sickly kid who couldn't pass an army medical into a 6 foot beefcake with 2 ton strength feats like holding down a helicopter, speed feats running alongside cars and agility feats leaping/flipping through explosions and car crashes.

    The super soldier serum Ross gave Blonsky gave him a healing factor, skeletal protrusions but didn't make him taller/more muscular and the speed/agility it gave him seem lower level than what we've seen from Cap. It also required repeat doses and messed with his sanity.

    They're clearly different serums with different effects so I don't think you can assume Blonsky's in Cap's league strength wise or even that he's stronger than M'Baku.

    Sure, they wanted him because he's a special forces veteran and an expert marksman/tactician.

    As far as we know he's not skilled in hand to hand though. He didn't display any hand to hand expertise before he became Abomination and after he became Abomination he just seemed to brawl with a similar level of skill to Hulk.
     
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    He was also deer leaping all the way up a flight of stairs. That shows enhanced strength in order to achieve that type of elevation. He also lifted up Dr. Sterns like he was paper in the lab.

    Blonksy says himself that he is a "fighter." Hence why he never took any promotions to move him to a desk and such. I don't think he would label himself as such if he was not a guy who got into the actual fisty cuffs. This is where him being in a Hulk movie perhaps has created a false impression: he cannot fist fight Hulk. If it were a Cap movie, I bet you he would have showed his hand to hand skills.
     
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    Blonsky can lift Dr Sterns (5 ft 65 tall) with one hand. That's a pretty good strength feat but not a superhuman one. It's certainly not in the same league as Cap's 1.7 ton strength feat holding down the helicopter and like I said before, Blonsky clearly took a very different super soldier serum to the one Cap took so we can't assume he has powers he never displayed.

    M'Baku can lift W'Kabi (5ft 7.5" tall) with one hand and throw him across the battlefield. He has the best strength feat of any fighter here.

    You're reaching a bit here, Blonsky could easily have been referring to brawling rather than martial arts or to a gun fight. Plus like I said, once he became Abomination he seemed to keep his intelligence but didn't seem to be any more skilled than Hulk.

    Someone calling themselves a fighter isn't proof they're a hand to hand expert, never mind good enough to beat SHIELD's top martial artist, a guy whose skills rival Black Panther and a second SHIELD trained martial artist, all at the same time.
     
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    Not saying it is, but it is something that shows his strength was increased like a normal super soldier. We never saw his full capability in that regard, but clearly he had it.

    Which is great, but he is not someone who took a super solider-like serum. Every version of the serum we have seen has granted some level of super strength. I think it is logical to assume he has enhanced strength per the serum. Again, put M'Baku up against T'Challa with the Black Panther serum, and I bet he lasts all of 5 seconds. M'Baku is strong and skilled for someone without enhanced DNA. But, that doesn't make me think he would last any better than Agent 13 did against Bucky (which I think is a good bench mark for this type of conflict...she didn't do much and got beat easily).


    But he has had much of the same training these agents have had, and he is stated to be a competent soldier. Skill level I agree cannot fully be determined because he didn't get a chance to use said skills like we saw the others do. But, if he was just a tactician or marksman, then why would putting his knowledge in a body he had years ago matter? Tactics and marksmanship don't decline like agility and strength do as fast. So why would he need a physical boost at all if he didn't actually fight people or have more physical roles? He clearly wanted a physical boost to be a better fighter. I don't think I am reaching at all.
     
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    Long story short, we've got a bit of a philosophical difference here, I want to go by feats and you want to speculate more.

    I can see your reasoning that Blonsky's the kind of person that might have hand to hand skills but it's still just a maybe. He never displayed any and he's up against two very dangerous martial artists plus another that's at least shown some skill.

    As for strength, I think it's a leap to say Blonsky has the same kind of strength advantage as Winter Soldier would when he doesn't even have better strength feats than M'Baku.

    It doesn't look like either of us are going to change our minds on this one so let's agree to disagree.
     
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    I think weapons would make a big difference. Give Blonsky a gun and this is over in seconds. Give him a knife or bayonet and he still takes everyone out. In pure hand to hand the group probably have the best chance.

    I'm still going with Blonsky for several reasons:

    - the super soldier serum enhanced his reflexes enough to dodge some of the Hulk's blows. The Hulk is unskilled and clumsy but he moves with superhuman speed (although he doesn't display superhuman reflexes). This makes Blonsky's reflexes and movement speed significantly better than any of the opponents in this battle.

    - the serum also enhanced his durability, because if a mere human took that shot from the Hulk, they'd be dead.

    - skill wise Blonsky is an elite special forces soldier. I don't believe that any of his opponents have a skill advantage over him , while May and Carter are spies Blonsky's skill set is geared towards killing on the battlefield ( IMO this battlefield experience is also what gives Cap an advantage over opponents who are skilled martial artists).

    - tactically Blonsky is more experienced than any of his opponents, but its safe to assume he's been a soldier longer than either May or Carter have been agents, M'Baku we don't know but he's a lot younger than Blonsky.

    Combining those 3 attributes I think is enough to give Blonsky this fight.

    However, he has one other attribute that IMO puts it beyond doubt - he is an absolutely ruthless and remorseless killer. Blonsky is a nasty piece of work, he wouldn't just go for a KO, but would aim to kill each opponent with a single blow/stab/shot.

    While I have no doubt that the team are all capable of killing I don't believe any of them are so naturally inclined towards taking life as Blonsky. IMO that gives him an edge.

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    I'm with you on these points, his enhanced speed/reflexes, the durability to survive (albeit barely) attacks that'd be lethal to a human and his ruthlessness are his main advantages. He also has a strength advantage over May and Carter.

    I'm not with you on these ones though. Blonsky's roughly level with May as a marksman, ahead of Carter. In hand to hand/with melee weapons, he's shown no skill whereas May's on Black Widow's level, M'Baku's skilled enough to take on depowered Black Panther (a world class martial artist) and even Carter's shown some skill.

    I agree weapons make a difference. Blonsky's best chance is in a gun fight but he'd be one expert marksman up against another expert marksman (May) backed up by a capable one (May) and a close range threat (M'Baku). If they end up in close quarters I think he gets outskilled and overwhelmed.
     
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    This is going to be an agree to disagree situation.

    As for skill in hand to hand, I think it's a reasonable assumption that as a special forces soldier ( Royal Marine Commando) Blonsky is capable of holding his own in a fist fight with Carter and with the super soldier serum, May and M'Baku as well. He's also going to be significantly quicker than any of them, andwe know he's much tougher than an ordinary human ( stronger ? unclear if he's stronger than M'Baku, but he's faster).
    Their best chance is to rush him all at once and pin him down.

    I'm not really an agents of Shield fan, so how often do we see May fighting to kill an opponent or beat someone to death with her bare hands ? I found a few examples on the Marvel fandom wiki. Is she really meant to be as skillful as Natasha ? The fact that she has "more black belts than the Black Widow" doesn't mean a lot, given that it was Widow's job to murder people.

    In both TWS and CW Nat shows impressive hand to hand skills and marksmanship ( against human opponents) particularly in the Lemurian Star and Lagos sequences - and she kills without hesitation or even changing her expression.

    Is May really as good or as deadly ? Again, I don't have the AOS background to form an informed view, but I'm skeptical - again, given that Widow used to assassinate people for the KGB and has shown herself capable of taking out /killling multiple opponents including mercenaries and Strike commandos...so I'm sure May is very skilfull but I'm skeptical that she is on Nat's level. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

    There's a vs thread idea!
    May vs Black Widow.

    I note that even Widow was clearly outmatched by Bucky, her multiple downward elbow strikes to his head ( which would have likely stunned a normal human) had no effect on him at all. How would that compare to Blonsky vs May, unclear but I highly doubt she'd be able to take him down one on one.

    M'Baku fights BP as a normal human and with weapons, but honestly he stays in that fight due to his superior strength more than anything else- he gets taken out with a variation on the triangle choke ( BP relying on skill). I think in a hand to hand or weapons fight he could probably beat non super soldier Blonsky one on one - but Blonsky with the serum is a different story.

    Carter, I don't rate all that highly as a marksman or a hand to hand fighter - she wasn't able to shoot Rumlow during the TWS firefight and if she thought she was going to take out Bucky with head high kicks, she was dreaming - which is why she gets dumped quickly ( and she was wrong when she told Cap that Bucky had tried to kill her, he was only trying to escape at that time, if he'd wanted her dead she would have been). If this was Maria Hill, rather than Carter, I might have voted differently as she's demonstrably a better shot and much sneakier than Carter.

    IMO, given what we saw in CW In a hand to hand fight Carter and team vs Blonsky, Carter goes down first after a single hit - TBH what she showed in CW wasn't all that impressive.

    May may be skillful but given Blonsky's enhanced reflexes, sooner or later he lands a solid blow and she's done - and we know that he's tough enough to absorb her best shots. That leaves M'Baku, maybe he's able to choke out Blonsky but strong and skillful as he is, he's still just human.

    With melee weapons ? M'Baku is pretty deadly with his club, that might be enough, but again with Blonsky's speed advantage and a knife ? Maybe not enough after all. Blonsky could likely ignore all but fatal stab wounds from Carter and May, but could disable them very quickly.

    Guns, and this is over real quick. With Blonsky's enhanced reflexes he gets the draw on May and 3 headshots later her team are all down.

    I still think people are underestimating the advantage of Blonsky's ruthlessness. Things that May, Carter and M'Baku would need to be desperate to do Blonsky would do as an opening move - he'd slit their throats without hesitation.

    That's how I see this playing out. If this was Blonsky vs Black Widow, Maria Hill and M'Baku I'd give it to the team- because both Hill and Widow are also ruthless killers. I don't know enough about May ( and would be surprised to think she's up to Natasha's level) and Carter really isn't anything special.

    IMO M'Baku, Okoye and Shuri would win this one too.
     
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    The Agents of Shield corner of the MCU can get pretty crazy and May's their top non-powered fighter. I'd probably give Widow a slight edge but they're definitely on the same level.

    Long story short she's a black ops agent seen as a living legend within SHIELD, we're told she has more black belts than Black Widow and she lives up to that with an undefeated track record against all the elite martial artists we see in the show. She also gets a lot of Black Widow style feats tearing through lesser agents and here's her track record against superhumans:

    - hanging with/body slamming a Centipede super soldier
    - defeating multiple LMD robots
    - tag teaming a Kree enforcer alongside Phil Coulson
    - whilst injured she held her own for about a minute against a Kree assassin/telekinetic
    - whilst injured she lost a close fight to an inhuman martial artist who was reading her mind to predict her moves
    - she defeated an elite kree warrior (superhuman strength/durability above Blonsky) in a knife fight

    She's willing to kill when it's necessary and as for her marksmanship:
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    I suppose her "almost" feats are almost as impressive as going one on one with the Hulk and only ending up in a body cast.

    How tough are MCU Kree ? Ronan was extremely strong and tough - I doubt a knife would have hurt him. Were the Kree that May faced Blue or were they Kree-lite ?

    All joking aside - looking at May's feats, that's pretty good. Maybe her best chance is with melee weapons, because if she's that good and M'Baku is pretty badass with his club, that might be enough. How ruthless is she though ? I know she killed some mutant Russian little girl, but was that as a last resort -? I still think Blonsky's complete lack of scruples gives him an edge.

    Given that the team have mere human durability, in a gunfight Blonksy guns them down easily - and he'll get the first shot off. Assuming he kills May with the first shot, the other two are dead meat.
     
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